Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?
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The same folks that want you to freeze in the dark to save the planet casually discuss the use of nukes
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But but UFOs!!!!RaceBannon said:The same folks that want you to freeze in the dark to save the planet casually discuss the use of nukes
Why am I so skeptical?
And CASES!!!
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This got buried in @PostGameOrangeSlices blue and gold boner. But it is the crux of why Putin is such a 'mad man'.
The arrogance of the West was to continue to expand NATO east despite the red-line protestations of Russia.
If Russia or China joined in a military pact with Mexico, and just needed a little more time to get their bases in there, America rightfully would put an end to that right quick. You disavow Russia employing this same logic because it doesn't fit the imperialist mores of the West.
It's goddamned naive to think the US isn't an imperialist nation. We just have been conditioned to think the US military is the world's policemen saving democracy.
How's that worked out in the Middle East, Vietnam and Afghanistan?
It's comical to see the chickenhawks claiming Putin will continue to march through Eastern Europe if not stopped in Ukraine. That's 1960's Domino Theory. -
Today I needed an affirmation that I do, still, lead a miserable and pathetic life, and thus read this entire thread.
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My issue with this is what if Putin decides we went to far and attacks poland... then what. Poking the bear never works well. And i don't trust Biden to not fuck it up.
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I tend to agree with @UW_Doog_Bot that whatever the outcome of this fucktarded war, it won't be the immediate end of Putin. Howsoever, this is bleeding Russia of manpower and resources, and maybe/probably political capital, that were pretty shitty to begin with, and Russia is at its most grievous disadvantage with the West in terms of replacement capability. Supposing this fracas accelerates a Russian collapse by some number of years, @greenblood makes an excellent poont: Are weº prepared for that? A belligerent, dictatorial but somewhat cohesive State on Western borders is one thing. A collapsed state is whole other set of problems.greenblood said:I'm on the fence on this one. It's a lot of fucking money, but normally, if the weaponry leads to a complete crumbling of the Russian economy and government, and strikes absolute fear to China, I'm all for it. Fuck those guys.
Unfortunately, the execution afterwards will probably be a shit show, and Russia will be more likely to get Hitler 2.0 to replace Putin than a future leader of democracy. Or worse yet, the country becomes a defacto puppet country of China. So, I'm reserved to the fact that all this money is probably going to leave Europe worse off in 10 years than better.
We fucked up on security guarantees to Ukraine with nuke divestment, and we fucked up with NATO expansion, imo.
Ukraine and Russia have been fighting an information war from the jump, which I do not begrudge Ukraine for as they are fighting for survival and self-determination. Doesn't mean weº have to believe every or anything either side puts out.
As I recall, Gulf War I had geopolitical ripples outward to Soviet-aligned and equipped countries as they witnessed how easily Western military power, a literal half-world away, shredded the Soviet hardware Iraq fielded, even handicapping for the fucktardation of the Iraqis.
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We should be pushing to a negotiated peace, not supplying more and more weapons and cash to string it out.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I tend to agree with @UW_Doog_Bot that whatever the outcome of this fucktarded war, it won't be the immediate end of Putin. Howsoever, this is bleeding Russia of manpower and resources, and maybe/probably political capital, that were pretty shitty to begin with, and Russia is at its most grievous disadvantage with the West in terms of replacement capability. Supposing this fracas accelerates a Russian collapse by some number of years, @greenblood makes an excellent poont: Are weº prepared for that? A belligerent, dictatorial but somewhat cohesive State on Western borders is one thing. A collapsed state is whole other set of problems.greenblood said:I'm on the fence on this one. It's a lot of fucking money, but normally, if the weaponry leads to a complete crumbling of the Russian economy and government, and strikes absolute fear to China, I'm all for it. Fuck those guys.
Unfortunately, the execution afterwards will probably be a shit show, and Russia will be more likely to get Hitler 2.0 to replace Putin than a future leader of democracy. Or worse yet, the country becomes a defacto puppet country of China. So, I'm reserved to the fact that all this money is probably going to leave Europe worse off in 10 years than better.
We fucked up on security guarantees to Ukraine with nuke divestment, and we fucked up with NATO expansion, imo.
Ukraine and Russia have been fighting an information war from the jump, which I do not begrudge Ukraine for as they are fighting for survival and self-determination. Doesn't mean weº have to believe every or anything either side puts out.
As I recall, Gulf War I had geopolitical ripples outward to Soviet-aligned and equipped countries as they witnessed how easily Western military power, a literal half-world away, shredded the Soviet hardware Iraq fielded, even handicapping for the fucktardation of the Iraqis.
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There's no 10% off the top for the Big Guy in a negotiated peace.Bob_C said:
We should be pushing to a negotiated peace, not supplying more and more weapons and cash to string it out.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I tend to agree with @UW_Doog_Bot that whatever the outcome of this fucktarded war, it won't be the immediate end of Putin. Howsoever, this is bleeding Russia of manpower and resources, and maybe/probably political capital, that were pretty shitty to begin with, and Russia is at its most grievous disadvantage with the West in terms of replacement capability. Supposing this fracas accelerates a Russian collapse by some number of years, @greenblood makes an excellent poont: Are weº prepared for that? A belligerent, dictatorial but somewhat cohesive State on Western borders is one thing. A collapsed state is whole other set of problems.greenblood said:I'm on the fence on this one. It's a lot of fucking money, but normally, if the weaponry leads to a complete crumbling of the Russian economy and government, and strikes absolute fear to China, I'm all for it. Fuck those guys.
Unfortunately, the execution afterwards will probably be a shit show, and Russia will be more likely to get Hitler 2.0 to replace Putin than a future leader of democracy. Or worse yet, the country becomes a defacto puppet country of China. So, I'm reserved to the fact that all this money is probably going to leave Europe worse off in 10 years than better.
We fucked up on security guarantees to Ukraine with nuke divestment, and we fucked up with NATO expansion, imo.
Ukraine and Russia have been fighting an information war from the jump, which I do not begrudge Ukraine for as they are fighting for survival and self-determination. Doesn't mean weº have to believe every or anything either side puts out.
As I recall, Gulf War I had geopolitical ripples outward to Soviet-aligned and equipped countries as they witnessed how easily Western military power, a literal half-world away, shredded the Soviet hardware Iraq fielded, even handicapping for the fucktardation of the Iraqis.
Fuck it, I put way too much thought into this.
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Once the bombs stop, there’s gonna a shit ton of construction projects financed by the US government to get 10% of.PurpleThrobber said:
There's no 10% off the top for the Big Guy in a negotiated peace.Bob_C said:
We should be pushing to a negotiated peace, not supplying more and more weapons and cash to string it out.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I tend to agree with @UW_Doog_Bot that whatever the outcome of this fucktarded war, it won't be the immediate end of Putin. Howsoever, this is bleeding Russia of manpower and resources, and maybe/probably political capital, that were pretty shitty to begin with, and Russia is at its most grievous disadvantage with the West in terms of replacement capability. Supposing this fracas accelerates a Russian collapse by some number of years, @greenblood makes an excellent poont: Are weº prepared for that? A belligerent, dictatorial but somewhat cohesive State on Western borders is one thing. A collapsed state is whole other set of problems.greenblood said:I'm on the fence on this one. It's a lot of fucking money, but normally, if the weaponry leads to a complete crumbling of the Russian economy and government, and strikes absolute fear to China, I'm all for it. Fuck those guys.
Unfortunately, the execution afterwards will probably be a shit show, and Russia will be more likely to get Hitler 2.0 to replace Putin than a future leader of democracy. Or worse yet, the country becomes a defacto puppet country of China. So, I'm reserved to the fact that all this money is probably going to leave Europe worse off in 10 years than better.
We fucked up on security guarantees to Ukraine with nuke divestment, and we fucked up with NATO expansion, imo.
Ukraine and Russia have been fighting an information war from the jump, which I do not begrudge Ukraine for as they are fighting for survival and self-determination. Doesn't mean weº have to believe every or anything either side puts out.
As I recall, Gulf War I had geopolitical ripples outward to Soviet-aligned and equipped countries as they witnessed how easily Western military power, a literal half-world away, shredded the Soviet hardware Iraq fielded, even handicapping for the fucktardation of the Iraqis.
Fuck it, I put way too much thought into this.
