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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,839 Swaye's Wigwam
    Bump for Julio. It was almost a given, but good tosser it official.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,839 Swaye's Wigwam
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Mariners trade Swanson and a prospect for Teoscar Hernandez.
    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35039628/mariners-trade-2-pitchers-blue-jays-teoscar-hernandez

    Sweet! Surprising. Flexen would've helped on the salary front, but now that they got their first outfielder without him they're in a position to choose what they expect to get back. It may not need to be a ready made player even. Prospects, or draft picks, or a good, established relief would be fine.

    I predict one of two things. I assume Kelenic is staying and Winker is getting traded.

    1) They sign Haniger and Jean Segura
    or
    2) They sign one of the big 4 shortstops, let Haniger leave, and anything else that happens involves relief pitching, prospects, draft considerations, etc.
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682
    I have no idea what Dip will do, but here is a scenario...

    Teoscar = Haniger, TYFYS Mitch...

    IF all in on the big 4...

    Left-Field Platoon, status quo...Winker has history...can he get it back? .270 / 24 HR /.370 OBP (career numbers)

    I know Kelenic's ship has sailed for a lot of people, but his tools are plus-plus. Did anyone know who Jeremy Pena was this time last year? I didn't. A 25 YO rookie...Kelenic is 23. It takes time, and the art of this is deciding when it it is time. If he is moving in a positive direction (I think he is, slowly), one more shot is warranted. The Dodgers gave up Jordan Alvarez (for Josh Fields) as a throw in after a few development guys didn't like his swing...

    They are in the process (or have already completed it) of figuring out...
    Is Winker's deal injuries? Attitude? Work ethic? Combo? Known commodity with an outlier year, or...?
    Has Kelenic done enough to warrant a last look? Huge upside if he hits
    Can Lewis stay healthy on a last-chance deal? History says no

    And, most importantly, what is the trade value of the three...

    You only really need to find one you like, because of the flexibility of Moore/Haggerty. I stand that Haggerty is not an everyday player, because you can't play with your hair on fire for six months, and stay healthy.

    If they are unable to get one of "the big 4", go get a bat for LF (Nimmo, Conforto, and others), and find a solid 2nd baseman (much easier and cheaper than a SS).

    I think Segura is a non-starter (from what I've heard), they let him go the first time because he was a bad clubhouse guy.

    Re-stock the bullpen with guys no one has ever heard of that are filthy

    ATBS, I have no idea what they are thinking, but it's fun to watch...


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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,839 Swaye's Wigwam
    I feel like this was such a great trade because it made their situation more flexible, not less.

    Winker could come back. Honestly I'd rather he stayed. Him at 2021 levels would've been enough of an upgrade on its own. But...they don't need him as of right now.

    Kelenic shouldn't be going anywhere either imo. One more go round for him. He's too fast, has too much potential as a fielder with a strong arm, and has too much power to give up on at this stage...while he's all but free.

    Haniger can still fit with Hernandez. I think that, if they fall out of the big four SS sweepstakes as expected, they try to get him back.

    That doesnt leave many options for second base. How about sign Jose Abreau and move France into a 2b/1b/dh platoon?

    Segura is the only 2b out there that I know of. Any other ideas?
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682
    Free agent 2nd basemen are thin. Another thing is that they have become pretty RH heavy. Sounds like Dip likes Kolten Wong (LHH with some pop and speed)...I like this, but I have loved Wong since I saw him in high school.

    I don't think France is athletic enough to play in the middle, but that's just me. I think they trade for a 2B if they lose the SS sweepstakes, which I expect them to, but I never expected them to sign Robbie Ray or trade for Castillo, either. I think Mitch returning is dependent on getting a LH bat...if he can't, Mitch / Teoscar are redundant, although Mitch is a better defender.

    I would expect nothing substantial until the SS thing is settled. Dip fired the first shot, no he has to grind, and read the room.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,839 Swaye's Wigwam
    Good points as always. I wasn't thinking about how right handed of a lineup I was building.

    Again though, I won't complain one bit if they let Winker have another go. It's a contract year for him and he sounds exactly like the kind of guy who can up his effort while still not working all that hard.. Who knows?

    My favorite scenario is that they sign one of the shortstops and take a chance that Winker turns it around as a platoon DH/LF
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682
    And...Kyle Lewis to the DBacks for a catcher /outfielder with no real MLB time...I trust Dip
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,839 Swaye's Wigwam
    I always forget about Lewis. Yeah I'd take just about anyone with possible upside for him.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,839 Swaye's Wigwam
    Fishpo31 said:

    And...Kyle Lewis to the DBacks for a catcher /outfielder with no real MLB time...I trust Dip

    How the hell did you know this before 5? Damn.

    You also look to be all over the Wong thing and there's smoke.

    https://reviewingthebrew.com/posts/brewers-rumors-mariners-trade-interest-kolten-wong

    Love it. Flexen and someone brings a legit 2b. Hell yes.
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