Mariners baby, hot stove edition
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Winker and Toro to the Brewers for Kolten Wong…
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https://www.tsn.ca/seattle-mariners-milwaukee-brewers-jesse-winker-kolten-wong-trade-1.1887701
Well, I didn't want Winker to be a failure and I have a feeling that contract year status is going to help him a lot this season.
But...great trade. Unloaded two extraneous guys to upgrade a critical position. Fuck yeah. -
So what do you think? Obviously Trea Turner is off the Ms board. Another OF/DH and some bullpen tinkering?
They have to add one more. Is Gallo or Conforto really the best we can hope for?
Know what I'd like to see? Trade Marco and keep Flexen as a long relief man and spot starter while you call up guys like Dollard and Hancock to take their turn in the rotation.
That isn't happening though. Flexen is going somewhere. -
Apparently the ship has sailed on the big 4. Gallo is a NO for me, if my philosophy is to "own the zone". Same with Bellinger. Conforto is the guy for me, on a one-year "Boras Special"...Pop, can defend, plays hard, 29 yo. I think Conforto fits the mold of OF/DH that they are apparently seeking. Nimmo could be in the mix as well, but if you do that you turn the page on Kelenic, IMO.
I think that getting Wong may open the door to re-visit bringing Mitch back as well. Benintendi is also an interesting name for me. If they aren't going to pay for a SS, they've got $$$ to spend... -
I like Benintendi. High BA, high obp, good defense. I've been favoring him slightly over the others mentioned to be honest. I'm a relic who still likes guys who hit for average.Fishpo31 said:Apparently the ship has sailed on the big 4. Gallo is a NO for me, if my philosophy is to "own the zone". Same with Bellinger. Conforto is the guy for me, on a one-year "Boras Special"...Pop, can defend, plays hard, 29 yo. I think Conforto fits the mold of OF/DH that they are apparently seeking. Nimmo could be in the mix as well, but if you do that you turn the page on Kelenic, IMO.
I think that getting Wong may open the door to re-visit bringing Mitch back as well. Benintendi is also an interesting name for me. If they aren't going to pay for a SS, they've got $$$ to spend...
I'd be fine with Haniger though. Sign him or get someone and I'm relatively happy. -
Sounds like Dip might be kicking the tires on Bryan Reynolds, with Kelenic + others in return…
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What else happens in that hypothetical @Fishpo31? Do they need a Flexen? It seems the Pirates have been delusional in the past about what he could bring in a trade, and aren't at all interested in trading him when it comes down to it.Fishpo31 said:Sounds like Dip might be kicking the tires on Bryan Reynolds, with Kelenic + others in return…
Reynolds would probably be a solid or better LF. He has solid left/right splits. I like him. I'd rather keep Kelenic too since he's all but free and can hit home runs, and is probably a +defender in LF. Odds are though, that if Kelenic brought Reynolds in a trade it would be the best contribution he ever made to the Ms.
I still feel that leaves an opening for a quality DH/platoon guy, especially if Kelenic is gone. I dont think that trade would justify NOT going after a one year rental power bat or even resigning Haniger to be part of a nice, 4 man dh/of rotation. -
Well, Reynolds requested to be traded, and we all know how that goes...Dip would probably have to knock their socks off, since he is (IIRC), 3 years from FA. He is pissed bc they locked up Ke'bryan Hayes long-term and not him. I think Kelenic's situation lies in whoever they bring in, can they get a decent platoon out of it. If they get an everyday LF, then that goes away, and Reynolds may be that, as is Nimmo, IMO. I see Conforto more in the LF/DH role, and Mitch(?) could fill that from the right side. I think it's too early to give up on Kelenic, but the clock is ticking...
Maybe look at Marco, he could go and be their "Ace", and paid accordingly. I think that Flexen has more value to the M's than Marco (although I like what Marco brings)...Flexen can be a swing guy, so they could run him out in the 5 spot until Hancock (or Brash) is ready, and he could be the "6th starter/Pen guy". I'm becoming more convinced that good teams have to have a guy(s) like that (see: Astros).
Another thing I've been chewing on... I wouldn't be shocked if Dip is still in on a SS, and if he gets one, he packages Wong or JP (whichever one they like least) to get some more. -
Those two paragraphs make a rise in my moog sweatpants. I've thought about the exact same stuff today. Flexen would beworth every penny the Ms would pay him IMO and I question whether they can get equal value for him.Fishpo31 said:
Maybe look at Marco, he could go and be their "Ace", and paid accordingly. I think that Flexen has more value to the M's than Marco (although I like what Marco brings)...Flexen can be a swing guy, so they could run him out in the 5 spot until Hancock (or Brash) is ready, and he could be the "6th starter/Pen guy". I'm becoming more convinced that good teams have to have a guy(s) like that (see: Astros).
Another thing I've been chewing on... I wouldn't be shocked if Dip is still in on a SS, and if he gets one, he packages Wong or JP (whichever one they like least) to get some more.
The other issues are the two pretty questionable contracts that Dip signed with JP and Marco. They're both about to be paid a fair amount more than their production justifies. Crawford is one of my favorite dudes, but he's become a bit of a bump in the road for the Ms in terms of roster building. -
Yes, they both were signed to contracts that represented their roles, at that time. In reality, there is a large chunk of MLB players that are essentially place-holders, and “we” like them in the moment, as we should, but they are all on borrowed time, until the young guy is ready, or a trade is made. Marco was the ace, and now is an iffy 5. JP was (and is, frankly), an average Major League SS. Not an all star, but a consistent performer…Marco as well. There is value there, but you upgrade when you can…
They have been leaders, but they know the deal…
