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  • Member Posts: 5,800
    edited June 2022
    “Got off the phone with someone who believes.”

    Great work Nicole. Must be nice to steal a paycheck every week.

    Which one of you was it, by the way?

  • Member Posts: 5,266
    Tremendous. Right as our season ticket renewals crater.
  • Member Posts: 2,777
    I was hoping USC, UCLA, Oregon, and UW would join the Big last year.

    This is the sort of thing that would make Cohen actually do something.

    UW is duty bound to follow USC and UCLA wherever they go, or die trying.
  • Member Posts: 24,016
    edited June 2022

    Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.

    Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others.

    On the national brand issue, I'm sure you know there is no proving or disproving it. It's an opinion. There are schools with brands such that disputing them makes one doing so a crazy guy running naked down I-5, and then there are the debatable schools ... like Oregon ... and Washington.

    I'll just say this: back in 2008, Miami signed a much ballyhood recruiting class that was built on the back of getting a bunch of guys from Miami Northwestern's juggernaut senior class. Pretty much all those guys but one - Sean Spence - was a bust, and even he doesn't make Miami's all-time top 20 linebackers list. At that time, Oregon was able to get three of those guys to come out and visit and, reportedly, the Ducks came close to flipping them. As a guy who was then generally familiar with Florida recruiting, I was shocked, and rightfully so. In hindsight, it was something of a watershed event. Today it would not be. I have to say that Oregon football is something people are generally aware of anywhere in the country. That was not the case not that long ago. An elite Florida recruit (I focus on that because it's furthest away) leaving the state for something other than an SEC school or top Big 10 or ND is generally not the norm. That Oregon is even in on a lot of those kids is a clear departure from historical practice.

    The other things you listed applies to a bunch of schools in various combinations and sounds more doogish than actual food for thought. But whatever. I don't think any of this is actually going to happen.
  • Member Posts: 2,777
    This is true, but the money they get will fund all their sports at a very high level, so they won't care.
  • Member Posts: 14,559

    California insisted that USC and ucla play Cal and Stanford every year regardless of division

    They go too and that's your 16 teams

    I have zero interest in anything after that

    Roll Tide and fuck off

    Ucla and USC already make 16, which is why I think the Big10 adds 4 more to make 20
  • Member Posts: 5,800

    On the national brand issue, I'm sure you know there is no proving or disproving it. It's an opinion. There are schools with brands such that disputing them makes one doing so a crazy guy running naked down I-5, and then there are the debatable schools ... like Oregon ... and Washington.

    I'll just say this: back in 2008, Miami signed a much ballyhood recruiting class that was built on the back of getting a bunch of guys from Miami Northwestern's juggernaut senior class. Pretty much all those guys but one - Sean Spence - was a bust, and even he doesn't make Miami's all-time top 20 linebackers list. At that time, Oregon was able to get three of those guys to come out and visit and, reportedly, the Ducks came close to flipping them. As a guy who was then generally familiar with Florida recruiting, I was shocked, and rightfully so. In hindsight, it was something of a watershed event. Today it would not be. I have to say that Oregon football is something people are generally aware of anywhere in the country. That was not the case not that long ago. An elite Florida recruit (I focus on that because it's furthest away) leaving the state for something other than an SEC school or top Big 10 or ND is generally not the norm. That Oregon is even in on a lot of those kids is a clear departure from historical practice.

    The other things you listed applies to a bunch of schools in various combinations and sounds more doogish than actual food for thought. But whatever. I don't think any of this is actually going to happen.
    Imagine thinking the BIG would be worried about Oregon coming in and swinging the pendulum on NILs in a league that has tOSU and USC in it.
  • Member Posts: 20,098
    This is absolutely shocking … not at all
  • Member Posts: 13,141 Standard Supporter
    HuskyJW said:
    She thinks UW will be the tallest midget now and that somehow is a good thing? No way she has actually insider info and is being cryptic about UW following suit.
  • Member Posts: 850
    edited June 2022
    I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?
  • Member Posts: 13,141 Standard Supporter
    TXDawg said:

    I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?

    If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.
  • Member Posts: 20,098
    TXDawg said:

    I can't wait to figure out what scrub teams the PAC-12 will recruit into the conference. Any predictions?

    Oregon/UW to Big 10
    Arizona + Mountain schools to Big 12
    Stanford likely independent but TBD
    Cal/Oregon St/Wazzu merge with the Mountain West

    ND likely to the Big 10

    Big 10 gets to 20 (4 pods of 5) … 20th program TBD
  • Member Posts: 850

    If UW and Oregon manage to get a pity invite to the B1G the PAC will fold or become the new and improved MWC by bringing in the top-4 teams from the MWC. Hopefully the LA schools signaled this was coming to UW prior to it leaking or that's a really bad sign.
    I could see Oregon, but the second school would come out of Big 12. Baylor, Oklahoma State, maybe even Iowa State. They're not going to ask Washington to join. There not going to admit a team with a program and a fanbase in a death spiral. Even Utah probably has a better chance of getting in than Washington. We ain't such a big fish anymore.

    On the flip side, if Oregon doesn't get an invite because of us, that'll be our biggest win over them in 20 years.
  • Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,203 Founders Club
    Any thoughts on this @sonics1993?
  • Member Posts: 833

    Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.

    Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others.

    Well said. Nike/Knight continues to poison everything that was honest and beautiful about college sports. Oregon is a draw, but their corruption sickens the ecosystem around them. Just do it.
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,916 Swaye's Wigwam
    Tequilla said:

    Oregon/UW to Big 10
    Arizona + Mountain schools to Big 12
    Stanford likely independent but TBD
    Cal/Oregon St/Wazzu merge with the Mountain West

    ND likely to the Big 10

    Big 10 gets to 20 (4 pods of 5) … 20th program TBD
    This seems reasonable. I can't imagine Cal holding onto football for the MWC.
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,838 Founders Club

    UW has a media market. That's the only hope.
    14th largest media market in the U.S.
    TV revenue is a huge part of these moves.
  • Member Posts: 20,967
    edited June 2022

    Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.

    Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others.

    Rent free. Oregon is the only National Brand in the Pac-10.
  • Member Posts: 155

    Oregon fans, sell me on why a conference wants you? Very difficult stadium to get to, no TV market, track record of negative recruiting and going to throw money at kids to overpay recruits that just drives up the cost for everyone.

    Obviously Phil can buy them in but all his shit just benefits one program and fucks the others.

    I'm no duk fan but Oregon gives them Phil, Nike, The entire Oregon TV Market, and a recent powerhouse program. It would certainly improve their bargaining power for the next TV contract.
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,029 Founders Club
    46XiJCAB said:

    Rent free. Oregon is the only National Brand in the Pac-10.
    Define what you even mean by national brand and what it pays off for please?

    Notre Dame is the only national brand that really matters and it becomes more and more of a stretch by year. BYU weirdly maybe is the second closest.


    Anyway, long-term, Washington's two likely outcomes are becoming the Northwestern/Vanderbilt of a super conference or becoming some kind of weird relic in a gloried Mountain West and taking the upper decks off of Husky Stadium. Let's hope it's the first option. Oregon continues to be the Dan Bilzerian of college football basically paying chicks to hang out and take pictures with them.
  • Member Posts: 155
    TXDawg said:

    I could see Oregon, but the second school would come out of Big 12. Baylor, Oklahoma State, maybe even Iowa State. They're not going to ask Washington to join. There not going to admit a team with a program and a fanbase in a death spiral. Even Utah probably has a better chance of getting in than Washington. We ain't such a big fish anymore.

    On the flip side, if Oregon doesn't get an invite because of us, that'll be our biggest win over them in 20 years.
    The main driver in all of this is TV market size. Waco, Stillwater, Ames or Seattle. Which market is bigger?
  • Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,659 Founders Club
    46XiJCAB said:

    Rent free. Oregon is the only National Brand in the Pac-10.
    😆

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