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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,570
    It's a lot like golf. Trying too hard to fix things hurts you more mentally than any mechanical help you get from it. You begin to start over thinking your at bats. And there is no amount of cage work that can fix that.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,819 Swaye's Wigwam
    When my golf swing goes and my confidence is shot the last thing I need is range time. What i need is to find my comfort zone again, but on the course wjere i can visualize shots and keep at it until i execute them. Sometimes ill jaut go play the holes that set up well to my eye and/or have shots that I rarely botch. Nothing breeds success like success.

    I was the same way in baseball. When I lost it the surest way out would be to hit off of my dad. Using a machine or hitting in a cage never helped me much except for speeding up my eye in prep for harder throwers. By high school he had to use an L screen and throw from about 40', but it worked fine. Something about his delivery just smoothed me out. If I could get two long sessions out of him I'd almost always go on a tear. Too bad his arm was rarely up to it by the time I was that old.

    Same thing always worked best for me as a coach up through 16 year olds. The kids got used to how I threw and trusted me and 1-2 extensive sessions, on the field and with good balls, and I'd have most or all of my good hitters hot. Nothing breeds success in hitting like success.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,570
    edited June 2022
    chuck said:

    When my golf swing goes and my confidence is shot the last thing I need is range time. What i need is to find my comfort zone again, but on the course wjere i can visualize shots and keep at it until i execute them. Sometimes ill jaut go play the holes that set up well to my eye and/or have shots that I rarely botch. Nothing breeds success like success.

    I was the same way in baseball. When I lost it the surest way out would be to hit off of my dad. Using a machine or hitting in a cage never helped me much except for speeding up my eye in prep for harder throwers. By high school he had to use an L screen and throw from about 40', but it worked fine. Something about his delivery just smoothed me out. If I could get two long sessions out of him I'd almost always go on a tear. Too bad his arm was rarely up to it by the time I was that old.

    Same thing always worked best for me as a coach up through 16 year olds. The kids got used to how I threw and trusted me and 1-2 extensive sessions, on the field and with good balls, and I'd have most or all of my good hitters hot. Nothing breeds success in hitting like success.

    Confidence is 80% of it for sure. You need power, twitch, and control to get to the next level. But without confidence, you have a hard time even making decent contact.
  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    I got tired of being “King of the Range”…beating balls all the time, and going out and posting a shit score. I started playing more, and pounding much less, and, Voila, my scores came down. Worked for me, but it really is individual. I stand by the statement that more is not going to fix it, but quality, concentrated reps will. It is nice that I no longer have to replace my grips 2x per year. I am still nails off of an astroturf pad, just can’t find any courses that are turf…
  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    edited June 2022
    It reminded me of hiring a hitting coach, just out of pro ball. First day in the cages with him, it was 7 hacks and out, and he was throwing. A guy gets in, barrels the first pitch, and he tells the kid “Get out”. Kid asked why, and he responded with “You can’t hit it better than that. If you go for more, you’ll fuck it up”…

    EDIT: Our mantra became “BUGTFO”…Barrel up and GTFO…
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,819 Swaye's Wigwam
    Fishpo31 said:

    It reminded me of hiring a hitting coach, just out of pro ball. First day in the cages with him, it was 7 hacks and out, and he was throwing. A guy gets in, barrels the first pitch, and he tells the kid “Get out”. Kid asked why, and he responded with “You can’t hit it better than that. If you go for more, you’ll fuck it up”…

    EDIT: Our mantra became “BUGTFO”…Barrel up and GTFO…

    I've thrown a lot of rushed sessions like that...pimp meatballs in there until they jammer one and "NEXT!". Id go through the whole roster like that 4 or 5 times on the day before games sometimes and it worked like magic for the kids who were already in or coming into a groove.

    You can't turn around someone who is struggling like that though, at least not teenagers. They usually need to keep swinging until theyre barelling every pitch like machines and they need to see the ball fly, not die in a net.

    I know younger teens playing Little League, Babe Ruth and travel ball were not really the topic, but that's the limit of my coaching experience.
  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    You are correct with the yung’uns. College and some hs kids will hit all day and night if you let them, and have access to an arm or machine. Pro’s don’t do this, because they know. Doing this, especially when struggling, reinforces the flaws that cause the struggles, IMO…I would bet that Kelenic was a big-time cage rat, and with his make up, prolly still is.

    That was the origin of the 7> rule. They can’t physically or mentally stay in it beyond 7 pitches, and then it deteriorates. Get in, feel good, get out…
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,819 Swaye's Wigwam
    I think if they keep taking 2 out of 3 they'll catch the Astros sometime around May, 2023.

    Good to win series especially against good teams, but they need a win streak sometime.
  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,676
    chuck said:

    I think if they keep taking 2 out of 3 they'll catch the Astros sometime around May, 2023.

    Good to win series especially against good teams, but they need a win streak sometime.

    We(?) have gone through a bad streak...IF the M's are as good as we hoped, that will be it. The Astros will come back to us, but will we be there, is the question for me. Every good team goes through at least one rough patch, if not more. 2 weeks ago the Angels were going to run away with it...
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,819 Swaye's Wigwam
    Fishpo31 said:

    chuck said:

    I think if they keep taking 2 out of 3 they'll catch the Astros sometime around May, 2023.

    Good to win series especially against good teams, but they need a win streak sometime.

    We(?) have gone through a bad streak...IF the M's are as good as we hoped, that will be it. The Astros will come back to us, but will we be there, is the question for me. Every good team goes through at least one rough patch, if not more. 2 weeks ago the Angels were going to run away with it...
    The Ms have had solid stretches and they've had a horrific slump. What they haven't had yet is a streak. They haven't had more than two hitters hot at any one time yet. There's a lot rhey haven't done yet but they're still in decent position. They have a way better lineup and rotation than last season.

    I think it's still coming. The Angels have shit pitching. An injury or two in the lineup and they could find themselves back with Oakland at the end.