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The Military Situation In The Ukraine

pawz
pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
edited April 2022 in Tug Tavern
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-an-update/


Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris. Translated from the French by N. Dass.




A sober view.

FYFMFE


tldr






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  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,305 Founders Club
    That was a very revealing read. I'm a bit confused about a couple of things. 1. The Ukrainians have been shelling the southeastern region for almost 8 years which is a violation of the Minsk agreements and there has been zero reporting from the west on this? The militias engaged in this "genocide" are considered to be Nazis and yet there has been no condemnation or reporting? 2. The term Nazi is being used primarily because there is a decades old score to settle which goes back to WW2? Apparently Russian troops were led by Jewish officers and there are still regional scores to be settled against Russian Jews? Can someone provide some context for me here?

    Also, the very end of the article opened my eyes to a conflict which has resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands, leaving millions of innocents to suffer in the (mostly unreported) greatest humanitarin crisis of our times in Yemen. Can someone provide a brief explanation of the war between Saudi Arabia and Yeman? The author in this article concludes by pointing out we? In the west are not being sanctioned (as are the Russian population for Putin's actions against Ukraine) for our leaders responsibility for the attrocities happening in Yeman or for that matter in any number of conflicts we've been engaged in for years in the middle east.

  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,632 Founders Club
    RoadTrip said:

    That was a very revealing read. I'm a bit confused about a couple of things. 1. The Ukrainians have been shelling the southeastern region for almost 8 years which is a violation of the Minsk agreements and there has been zero reporting from the west on this? The militias engaged in this "genocide" are considered to be Nazis and yet there has been no condemnation or reporting? 2. The term Nazi is being used primarily because there is a decades old score to settle which goes back to WW2? Apparently Russian troops were led by Jewish officers and there are still regional scores to be settled against Russian Jews? Can someone provide some context for me here?

    Also, the very end of the article opened my eyes to a conflict which has resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands, leaving millions of innocents to suffer in the (mostly unreported) greatest humanitarin crisis of our times in Yemen. Can someone provide a brief explanation of the war between Saudi Arabia and Yeman? The author in this article concludes by pointing out we? In the west are not being sanctioned (as are the Russian population for Putin's actions against Ukraine) for our leaders responsibility for the attrocities happening in Yeman or for that matter in any number of conflicts we've been engaged in for years in the middle east.

    Tldr the Saudis and nominally the US back the "government" against the Houtis who have the proxy backing of Iran bc it's essentially all a proxy war between tribes that hate one another.

    And both sides have committed lots of atrocities most likely.


  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,081 Founders Club
    If you listen to Adam Curry, he makes a somewhat rational argument how Putin could be in on this with the Biden admin, in all the lies and how this thing is being protracted.

    I'm not saying I believe that. I'm saying that I largely don't know what to believe.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,632 Founders Club
    pawz said:

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-an-update/


    Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

    This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris. Translated from the French by N. Dass.




    A sober view.

    FYFMFE


    tldr






    @HoustonHusky @LoneStarDawg @UW_Doog_Bot @RatherBeBrewing @GrundleStiltzkin @RoadTrip

    Sorry not sorry reads like Kremlin primer.

    Glosses over essentially that little "invasion" of Crimea.

    Glosses over the little green men in Donbas since 2014? Ish. "Only 50 foreign fighters" sure.gif

    Putin is demilitarizing the Ukraine! Ok, so your invading a sovereign country to defeat its military. Pretty classic communist rebranding there.

    Maybe I didn't get to the good part but he took a long time getting there and at some point I've had my fill of rehashed Kremlin talking points.

    @RatherBeBrewing will probably be more willing and motivated to post a tequila style takedown.
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,101 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2022

    If you listen to Adam Curry, he makes a somewhat rational argument how Putin could be in on this with the Biden admin, in all the lies and how this thing is being protracted.

    I'm not saying I believe that. I'm saying that I largely don't know what to believe.

    Would not shock me, after all, he will have more flexibility after the election... and he did get 3 million from the mayor of moscow
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,305 Founders Club

    pawz said:

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

    https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-an-update/


    Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.

    This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris. Translated from the French by N. Dass.




    A sober view.

    FYFMFE


    tldr






    @HoustonHusky @LoneStarDawg @UW_Doog_Bot @RatherBeBrewing @GrundleStiltzkin @RoadTrip

    Sorry not sorry reads like Kremlin primer.

    Glosses over essentially that little "invasion" of Crimea.

    Glosses over the little green men in Donbas since 2014? Ish. "Only 50 foreign fighters" sure.gif

    Putin is demilitarizing the Ukraine! Ok, so your invading a sovereign country to defeat its military. Pretty classic communist rebranding there.

    Maybe I didn't get to the good part but he took a long time getting there and at some point I've had my fill of rehashed Kremlin talking points.

    @RatherBeBrewing will probably be more willing and motivated to post a tequila style takedown.
    I don't think the point of the article is to support Putin or Russia in any way. However, to deny there are financial and corrupt motivations within factions of the United States (significant ones within in our own government) and those within Europe (NATO) is to be naive.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,691
    The only reason Ukraine is a thing is as a deflection from Bidens shit
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,757 Standard Supporter
    Out of the billion plus being sent to the Ukraine how much gets kicked back to SloJoe and the Dim cronies? Hunter would know.