You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down in a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.
I'm getting completely fed up with your hate, negativity, and throwing people under the bus.
Quite frankly Race, I'm very, VERY happy that I don't know you. I'm quite happy that I don't lead what appears to be such a pathetic life that is faced with looking for the negativity in every situation. You need to go find something to smile at. Last I checked, it's summertime. The weather in Seattle seems to be pretty damn good right now - why don't you go check that out.
You are pretty damn wrong about things. You may think that the amount of time that you keep spewing your views that that you've now heard it enough times that you are right. Doesn't make you right.
You talk about 12-47 like that happened out of the blue sky. I've never seen you once suggest that the process of the downfall of this program began well before Emmert arrived.
You want facts? You want truth? Here's your truth.
Emmert came to the UW prior to the GLORIOUS 1-10 season under Gilby. The year before that (2003) Gilby managed to do enough to get us to 6-6, but that included the debacle at Cal where we gave up 700 yards (or thereabouts). It was an indifferent team that pretty much was at best mediocre. We lost 5 of our last 8, including the blowout to Cal, the blowout to UCLA, and a home loss to NEVADA. Yep, the program was heading in the right direction.
The 2002 season under Slick was another sterling season example that is most remembered for the "Northwest Championship." That was great. But it hid the fact that going into the "Northwest Championship" we were a 4-5 football team that was pretty much a joke at 1-4 in the conference. In both 2002 and 2003, we finished the season with a 4-4 conference record.
These weren't good football teams. The trend was heading downhill.
Emmert comes on board and immediately gets sadled with the Gilby 1-10 debacle.
Prior to Emmert coming on board, Babs jumps ship after a decade of mis-management, including allowing the stadium to begin the erosion process.
Throughout 2003, we're faced with Slick leaving and the subsequent lawsuit(s), Dr. Feelgood, and a whole mess with the softball program and Teresa Wilson.
Now keep in mind the following: ALL THIS HAPPENED BEFORE EMMERT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON.
Things were not in great shape. I think just about everybody knew that.
A search committee is formed to replace Babs. The BOR, upper campus, and the big donor supporters of the school are sick of the egg showing up on their face. They are sick of the country club that Babs ran and the loose way she ran the department - particularly in light of what went on with Slick. They wanted someone prim, proper, and who they could count on would not sully the University name. ENTER TODD TURNER.
Now, this pretty much gets you up to the point where Emmert was hired. Did he have to sign off on the hiring of Turner? Most likely. But whatever.
At this point, Emmert isn't responsible for the on-field performance of the football program. There is a coach in place. It's not Emmert's job to oversee the football program or any other program in the athletic department. That job belongs to Todd Turner. It's Emmert's job to monitor the job performance of Todd Turner.
So 1-10 happens. Gilby is canned by Turner (rightfully so). Yes, the program went 1-10. But the actions of those charged with overseeing the program were correct. Turner fired the coach for poor performance. If I'm in Emmert's shoes, I can't complain.
Coaching search takes place and Turner has his heart set on Tyrone Willingham. It's Turner's hire. It's not Emmert's hire. Surely Emmert had to sign off on the hire. That's fine. You want to throw some blame on him for not having the foresight to negate the hire. That's fine. But the hire isn't Emmert's responsibility. It's Turner's responsibility. It's Emmert's responsibility to hold Turner accountable for the hire (which he did 3 years later when it was obvious that Tyrone wasn't the answer).
So Tyrone goes 2-9 the first year after a 1-10 year. Not great. Warning signs start going off, particularly with some poor performance to close games. But it's the first year of the regime and really hard to get too critical.
The next year the program goes 5-7 and has 2 significant events. The first significant event is the loss of the QB to injury. I think many could argue that without the loss of Isaiah that year, we go 6-6. The second event that was significant was the "suddenly senior" day and the unexplicable loss to Stanford with the most emotionless football team anybody had ever seen. Again, there's not enough there to fire Tyrone at that point. There are warning signs. There is ground to pretty much tell Tyrone that the following year is an action year where something needs to happen. He's on a short leash at this point in my opinion.
The following year we lose games in ways that are unexplainable. Blow a huge loss to Arizona - a game we should have never lost. The most ridiculous ending to an Apple Cup I've ever seen where a guy was open by 20 yards coming out of a timeout. Blowing a pair of 21 point leads to Hawai'i. It was pretty obvious at this point that things weren't working. Coaching change was in order. Perhaps an AD change was also in order. The coaching change was blocked and complicated. The AD's head fell - and rightfully so due to some other issues that he had and such a terrible hire of a head coach.
Prior to the decision to fire Tyrone after 2007, it's really hard to argue with ANYTHING that Emmert had done with respect to the football program.
I will say that bringing Tyrone back for 2008 was a disasterous mistake. It should have never happened. You want to throw 0-12 on Emmert - I'm all for it. I think if you caught Emmert in a reflective, truthful moment, he would tell you in hindsight that he should have made the move and that it wasn't worth the carnage of 0-12.
Throw Emmert under the bus for 2008. That's his responsibility. 2004-2007? Not so much. By all means, please, please tell me where he has responsibility for 2004 and 2007 other than the fact that he's the University President. Please tell me what specific actions that he did to undermine the program. You aren't going to find them - they aren't there.
Your criticism of Emmert is ridiculous. Your criticism of Woodward is just downright comical.
Where has Woodward screwed this program? He has only been responsible for this program in the summer of 2008 in a full-time role. Are you going to hold him to the fire for being the interim AD for the first half of 2008? How is he responsible for anything from 2004-2007 when he wasn't even involved with the Athletic Department? Talk about conspiracy theories. This may be one of the greatest conspiracy theories I've ever seen.
I don't like losing. I don't like what I've seen the last 5 years. It's made me sick to my stomach many times over. But unlike you, I can at least take a step back and realize that the genesis of this problem began well before Mark Emmert became President of the University of Washington.
If I spent my time being a "mindless Race Bannon minion," then I'd be convinced that the only logical explanation for our failures have been Mark Emmert and Scott Woodward.
Quite frankly, that opinion is one of the most idiotic insanely stupid opinions that I've ever seen in my life.
I don't defend the "wrong targets." There is blame to be thrown Emmert's way. I readily acknowledge that. But it isn't his full blame. Babs deserves blame. Gerberding deserves blame. McCormick deserves some blame. Slick deserves some blame. Gilby deserves some blame. Turner deserves some blame. Tyrone deserves some blame. Of the names I've listed, only 3 of those names have any timeline that extends into any portion of Emmert's tenure. That's less than half of those names.
Quite frankly Race, you are a world class donkey. When I hear people bitch and moan about the people in the State of Washington - you are a crystal example of why people bitch about the State of Washington. When I hear people that bitch about the fans of the University of Washington and what their complaints are, you represent what those complaints are.
In my opinion, you are not good for the University of Washington. You aren't helping the program. You aren't helping the University. You are entirely self-serving and a pompous, egotistical jerk.
You are barking up the wrong tree if you are going after me. I'm not naive enough to shove my head so far up my arse to ignore what I am seeing. I don't think that there is anybody that knows me that would say that I wouldn't call a spade a spade.
All that paying for and attending games longer than I've been alive has done for you is given you a perceived ability to go be a bitter old man. Congrats on that.
Thanks for showing those of us in a younger generation how not to act in 20-30 years when we are in your shoes.
(note: the retranslated version deserves its own post in this thread too)
"You are barking up the wrong tree if you are going after me. I'm not naive enough to shove my head so far up my arse to ignore what I am seeing. I don't think that there is anybody that knows me that would say that I wouldn't call a spade a spade. "
You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down in a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.
I'm getting completely fed up with your hate, negativity, and throwing people under the bus.
Quite frankly Race, I'm very, VERY happy that I don't know you. I'm quite happy that I don't lead what appears to be such a pathetic life that is faced with looking for the negativity in every situation. You need to go find something to smile at. Last I checked, it's summertime. The weather in Seattle seems to be pretty damn good right now - why don't you go check that out.
You are pretty damn wrong about things. You may think that the amount of time that you keep spewing your views that that you've now heard it enough times that you are right. Doesn't make you right.
You talk about 12-47 like that happened out of the blue sky. I've never seen you once suggest that the process of the downfall of this program began well before Emmert arrived.
You want facts? You want truth? Here's your truth.
Emmert came to the UW prior to the GLORIOUS 1-10 season under Gilby. The year before that (2003) Gilby managed to do enough to get us to 6-6, but that included the debacle at Cal where we gave up 700 yards (or thereabouts). It was an indifferent team that pretty much was at best mediocre. We lost 5 of our last 8, including the blowout to Cal, the blowout to UCLA, and a home loss to NEVADA. Yep, the program was heading in the right direction.
The 2002 season under Slick was another sterling season example that is most remembered for the "Northwest Championship." That was great. But it hid the fact that going into the "Northwest Championship" we were a 4-5 football team that was pretty much a joke at 1-4 in the conference. In both 2002 and 2003, we finished the season with a 4-4 conference record.
These weren't good football teams. The trend was heading downhill.
Emmert comes on board and immediately gets sadled with the Gilby 1-10 debacle.
Prior to Emmert coming on board, Babs jumps ship after a decade of mis-management, including allowing the stadium to begin the erosion process.
Throughout 2003, we're faced with Slick leaving and the subsequent lawsuit(s), Dr. Feelgood, and a whole mess with the softball program and Teresa Wilson.
Now keep in mind the following: ALL THIS HAPPENED BEFORE EMMERT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON.
Things were not in great shape. I think just about everybody knew that.
A search committee is formed to replace Babs. The BOR, upper campus, and the big donor supporters of the school are sick of the egg showing up on their face. They are sick of the country club that Babs ran and the loose way she ran the department - particularly in light of what went on with Slick. They wanted someone prim, proper, and who they could count on would not sully the University name. ENTER TODD TURNER.
Now, this pretty much gets you up to the point where Emmert was hired. Did he have to sign off on the hiring of Turner? Most likely. But whatever.
At this point, Emmert isn't responsible for the on-field performance of the football program. There is a coach in place. It's not Emmert's job to oversee the football program or any other program in the athletic department. That job belongs to Todd Turner. It's Emmert's job to monitor the job performance of Todd Turner.
So 1-10 happens. Gilby is canned by Turner (rightfully so). Yes, the program went 1-10. But the actions of those charged with overseeing the program were correct. Turner fired the coach for poor performance. If I'm in Emmert's shoes, I can't complain.
Coaching search takes place and Turner has his heart set on Tyrone Willingham. It's Turner's hire. It's not Emmert's hire. Surely Emmert had to sign off on the hire. That's fine. You want to throw some blame on him for not having the foresight to negate the hire. That's fine. But the hire isn't Emmert's responsibility. It's Turner's responsibility. It's Emmert's responsibility to hold Turner accountable for the hire (which he did 3 years later when it was obvious that Tyrone wasn't the answer).
So Tyrone goes 2-9 the first year after a 1-10 year. Not great. Warning signs start going off, particularly with some poor performance to close games. But it's the first year of the regime and really hard to get too critical.
The next year the program goes 5-7 and has 2 significant events. The first significant event is the loss of the QB to injury. I think many could argue that without the loss of Isaiah that year, we go 6-6. The second event that was significant was the "suddenly senior" day and the unexplicable loss to Stanford with the most emotionless football team anybody had ever seen. Again, there's not enough there to fire Tyrone at that point. There are warning signs. There is ground to pretty much tell Tyrone that the following year is an action year where something needs to happen. He's on a short leash at this point in my opinion.
The following year we lose games in ways that are unexplainable. Blow a huge loss to Arizona - a game we should have never lost. The most ridiculous ending to an Apple Cup I've ever seen where a guy was open by 20 yards coming out of a timeout. Blowing a pair of 21 point leads to Hawai'i. It was pretty obvious at this point that things weren't working. Coaching change was in order. Perhaps an AD change was also in order. The coaching change was blocked and complicated. The AD's head fell - and rightfully so due to some other issues that he had and such a terrible hire of a head coach.
Prior to the decision to fire Tyrone after 2007, it's really hard to argue with ANYTHING that Emmert had done with respect to the football program.
I will say that bringing Tyrone back for 2008 was a disasterous mistake. It should have never happened. You want to throw 0-12 on Emmert - I'm all for it. I think if you caught Emmert in a reflective, truthful moment, he would tell you in hindsight that he should have made the move and that it wasn't worth the carnage of 0-12.
Throw Emmert under the bus for 2008. That's his responsibility. 2004-2007? Not so much. By all means, please, please tell me where he has responsibility for 2004 and 2007 other than the fact that he's the University President. Please tell me what specific actions that he did to undermine the program. You aren't going to find them - they aren't there.
Your criticism of Emmert is ridiculous. Your criticism of Woodward is just downright comical.
Where has Woodward screwed this program? He has only been responsible for this program in the summer of 2008 in a full-time role. Are you going to hold him to the fire for being the interim AD for the first half of 2008? How is he responsible for anything from 2004-2007 when he wasn't even involved with the Athletic Department? Talk about conspiracy theories. This may be one of the greatest conspiracy theories I've ever seen.
I don't like losing. I don't like what I've seen the last 5 years. It's made me sick to my stomach many times over. But unlike you, I can at least take a step back and realize that the genesis of this problem began well before Mark Emmert became President of the University of Washington.
If I spent my time being a "mindless Race Bannon minion," then I'd be convinced that the only logical explanation for our failures have been Mark Emmert and Scott Woodward.
Quite frankly, that opinion is one of the most idiotic insanely stupid opinions that I've ever seen in my life.
I don't defend the "wrong targets." There is blame to be thrown Emmert's way. I readily acknowledge that. But it isn't his full blame. Babs deserves blame. Gerberding deserves blame. McCormick deserves some blame. Slick deserves some blame. Gilby deserves some blame. Turner deserves some blame. Tyrone deserves some blame. Of the names I've listed, only 3 of those names have any timeline that extends into any portion of Emmert's tenure. That's less than half of those names.
Quite frankly Race, you are a world class donkey. When I hear people bitch and moan about the people in the State of Washington - you are a crystal example of why people bitch about the State of Washington. When I hear people that bitch about the fans of the University of Washington and what their complaints are, you represent what those complaints are.
In my opinion, you are not good for the University of Washington. You aren't helping the program. You aren't helping the University. You are entirely self-serving and a pompous, egotistical jerk.
You are barking up the wrong tree if you are going after me. I'm not naive enough to shove my head so far up my arse to ignore what I am seeing. I don't think that there is anybody that knows me that would say that I wouldn't call a spade a spade.
All that paying for and attending games longer than I've been alive has done for you is given you a perceived ability to go be a bitter old man. Congrats on that.
Thanks for showing those of us in a younger generation how not to act in 20-30 years when we are in your shoes.
Turn off race, you want to take's gloves? You want to steadily and surely an pee's game do? Let us do this. Let us roll. I'm getting tired of your hatred and negative, with under the bus car and throwing people. Frankly ground say that, ethnicity, I am very, very happy, I do not know thee. I am glad, I do not lead to what seems to be this a pathetic's life is facing looking for in various circumstances of the negative. You need to go to find smiling. Last I checked, this is the summer season. Seattle-based weather seems to be quite Okay, now - you why do not check them out. You are very damn wrong thing. You might think that a lot of time, and constantly spewing your opinion, you are now already heard the enough time, you are correct. Do not make your right. Please Could you talk about like the blue sky took place 12-47. I've never seen, you've ever suggest downfall in the process, this program before the start of to the Daai Olmert. What you want the facts do? What you want the truth of the do? Here is the your facts. Emmert came to Washington Before going to university the glorious 1-10 Gilby next season. The year before (2003) Gilby enough to let us 6-6, but the crashes, which includes in California, we gave up 700 yards (or left and right). This is an indifference of the team, is almost is the best mediocrity. We lost our final eight,, including the blowout of California, University of California, at Los Angeles's blowout, and the family losses Nevada. Yes, plan is moving in the right direction. 2002 season next slick is another 925 season's examples of, the most remember the "Northwest Championships." This is great. However, entry "Northwest champion's facts," We are a 4-5 of football team, is pretty much a joke 1-4 in the conference Zang. In 2002 and 2003, we completed the this season, 4-4 conference records. These are not very good team. This trend toward the downhill. Emmert plate and the immediately get sadled Gilby 1-10 fiasco. Emmert before the on board come, Babbs jump ship after the a decade of mismanagement, including allowing Stadium begun to erode the process. Entire 2003, we are confronted with the slick to leave, the subsequent litigation (Ci), PhD feel good, and the overall's chaos with the softball procedures and Teresa Wilson. Now, please remember the following: occurs prior to of this Qieaimote as a presidential the University of Washington anywhere near the. Things are not in the great the shape of the. I feel that almost everyone knows. Formed a a search for committee replace the Babbs. BOR, upper campuses, and large of the school donor's supporters on their face display out of the eggs get sick. They are sick Babbs ran Country Club and loose the way, she ran's departments - particularly yes in the optical slick of what. They hoping that someone all seriousness, proper, that they can count on will not tarnished the university's name. To enter the Todd Turner. Now, This is almost let you Emmert was hired as point. He must sign the employ Turner? The most there is likely. But regardless of. At this point, Emmert is the not responsible for the's football program performance in the field. There is an coach in place. It is not, Emmert football program, or any other program in the sports department's work, supervision. This work belong to Todd · Turner. Emmert works and monitor the job performance's Todd · Turner. So the 1-10 happen. Gilby canned food Turner (rightly so). Yes, the planned 1-10. But those who responsible for the supervision procedure's action is correct. Turner expelled from's coach poor performance. If I am In the Emmert's shoes, I can not complain. Coach Search for occurrence and Turner has his the heart of the upper settings Tyrone Ling. This is the Turner's leases. This is not a Emmert rents. Of course, the Emmert sign the hire. Which is good. You want to throw some of the strange he has a the foresight, negation hire. Which is good. But the renting Emmert's responsibility. This is the Turner responsibilities. Emmert Responsibility holds a Turner responsible for the rental (he did it three years later, when Tyrone is the not a problem the answer to very obvious). Therefore, the Tyrone becomes 2-91-10 years after the first years. Not great. Warning signs began to, especially in some underperforming, turn off the games. But it's regime's first year of the, really hard to get too critical. Next year plan to go to 5-7, and there are two major event. The first a major event is the QB the injured losses. I think a lot people might will say, if there is no that year Isaiah's losses, we to go 6-6. The second is the momentous event, is the "suddenly Advanced" one days unexplicable the loss of Stanford the most ruthless people have never ever seen's soccer team. Similarly, the there is not enough firefighting Tyrone at this point. There are warning signs. There are the ground almost to tell The following year Tyrone is an action of the year have what it takes happen. In my opinion, at this point on the his hands and legs. The next year, we lose the game way is to can not be explained. Blowing Arizona - a game, we never did not lose a huge losses. The most laughable thing finale I've seen an guy is open to 20 yards out of the timeout apples cup. Blowing one pairs of 21 o'clock to Hawaii. It at this point on is a very obvious things, not the normal working. Huanshuai is in order. Perhaps the is also the In order to AD conversion. Huanshuai being blockade and complicated. Advertising's head fell - This is the taken for granted, due to some other problems, he has such a terrible renting head coach. Firefighting Tyrone after 2007 before the decision, it's really hard Emmert football program respect of done a any controversy. I would say, so that 2008's Tyrone back to the is a catastrophic mistake. It should never happened Guo. You want to throw 0-12 Emmert - all my. I think the, if you catch Emmert reflex, real moments, he will tell you in hindsight, he should has already taken action, this is the not worth the Holocaust 0-12. Under the bus car to throw Emmert Yu 2008. This is the his responsibility. 2004-2007? Not so much. Through a variety of means, please you, please tell me, where he has the responsibility to in 2004 and 2007 other than the fact, his university headmaster. Please tell me what specific's action, he indeed sabotage procedures. You are not going find them - they do not exist. Emmert your criticism is absurd. Your criticism Woodward is just downright funny. Woodward In the Where to screwed this procedure? He was only responsible pairs of this plan in the summer of 2008 of the an full-time role. You want to embrace him to the the fire's 2008 first half of the medium-term AD? He how would be anything, from 2004-2007 years time, he did not even to participate in sports departments are responsible for? Talk about conspiracy theory. This is probably my've ever seen of the greatest conspiracy theory one of the. I do not like lose. I do not like what I saw, in the past's 5 years. It makes me feel sick to my belly a many times over. But unlike you, I can at least take a step back, and realized that of this problem origins of Before you begin, Marc · Emmert become president Washington University. If the I spent my time is a "blind's racial ban nong I," and then I will be believe that the only logical explanation our failure is already Marc · Emmert and Scott · Woodward. Frankly, the advice is in my life, I have seen the most stupid of madness Stupid the views of one of the. I do not defend the "error the goal." There are strange being thrown out Emmert the way. I readily admit this point. But it is not his full strange. Babbs worthy of blame. Gerberding worthy of blame. McCaw dense grams of worthy of somewhat strange. Slick worthy of Some strange. Gilby worthy of Some strange. Turner worthy of Some strange. Tyrone worthy of Some strange. I have listed's name, these names only 3 there is any timetable, extending to the Emmert of the term of office inside the any part of the. This is the less than half the those names. Frankly ground say that, race, you are the a world-class asses. When I hear people in Washington State the people's bitch and groans - you are a crystal example of, why people scolded of Washington State. When I heard bitch the University of Washington fans, they's complaining about is the what, you behalf of those who complaint person. In my opinion, you is not the University of Washington is good. You is not Help program. You is not help the university. You are completely self-serving and flashy, selfishness's asshole. You bark up the wrong tree, if you want in my afterwards. I am not a naively push the my head, make my ass ignore the what I saw. I do not think there is any person know what I will say, I will not put outspoken. All payment and participate in the game more time than I have always alive for you have done is to give you an perceive capability is a painful old man. Congratulations to this point. Thank you for for those of us how do not take action, when we are in your shoes in the 20-30 year-old young to generation.
lmao...great list...one of the acronyms would be appreciated ..I know about 60-70% of them but only visited hhbv 1 about 20 x, and missed a lot of the fagman drama from 2004 to 2008..just wasn't a reg..
I'll get this one started. As far as the origins of them, that will have to be a Pit historian. But when it doubt, credit Harvey Road.
HTH - Hope this helps HRYK - He's right, you know. (Variations yryk - you're right...iryk - i'm right...ykir - you know i'm right, etc) WDWHA - We didn't want him anyway FYAAWRITPADOO - Fuck you and all who revel in the pain and displeasure* of others. Isn't used here, but should be. DM.c's own ReggieIsGod/PeterNorthDawg authored this gem the same night APAG got into it with Grandpa Jensen. Huh? LRR - Lather, rinse, repeat LMB - lick my balls GMS - gargle my sack FO,G - Fuck off, Glove
Turn off race, you want to take's gloves? You want to steadily and surely an pee's game do? Let us do this. Let us roll. I'm getting tired of your hatred and negative, with under the bus car and throwing people. Frankly ground say that, ethnicity, I am very, very happy, I do not know thee. I am glad, I do not lead to what seems to be this a pathetic's life is facing looking for in various circumstances of the negative. You need to go to find smiling. Last I checked, this is the summer season. Seattle-based weather seems to be quite Okay, now - you why do not check them out. You are very damn wrong thing. You might think that a lot of time, and constantly spewing your opinion, you are now already heard the enough time, you are correct. Do not make your right. Please Could you talk about like the blue sky took place 12-47. I've never seen, you've ever suggest downfall in the process, this program before the start of to the Daai Olmert. What you want the facts do? What you want the truth of the do? Here is the your facts. Emmert came to Washington Before going to university the glorious 1-10 Gilby next season. The year before (2003) Gilby enough to let us 6-6, but the crashes, which includes in California, we gave up 700 yards (or left and right). This is an indifference of the team, is almost is the best mediocrity. We lost our final eight,, including the blowout of California, University of California, at Los Angeles's blowout, and the family losses Nevada. Yes, plan is moving in the right direction. 2002 season next slick is another 925 season's examples of, the most remember the "Northwest Championships." This is great. However, entry "Northwest champion's facts," We are a 4-5 of football team, is pretty much a joke 1-4 in the conference Zang. In 2002 and 2003, we completed the this season, 4-4 conference records. These are not very good team. This trend toward the downhill. Emmert plate and the immediately get sadled Gilby 1-10 fiasco. Emmert before the on board come, Babbs jump ship after the a decade of mismanagement, including allowing Stadium begun to erode the process. Entire 2003, we are confronted with the slick to leave, the subsequent litigation (Ci), PhD feel good, and the overall's chaos with the softball procedures and Teresa Wilson. Now, please remember the following: occurs prior to of this Qieaimote as a presidential the University of Washington anywhere near the. Things are not in the great the shape of the. I feel that almost everyone knows. Formed a a search for committee replace the Babbs. BOR, upper campuses, and large of the school donor's supporters on their face display out of the eggs get sick. They are sick Babbs ran Country Club and loose the way, she ran's departments - particularly yes in the optical slick of what. They hoping that someone all seriousness, proper, that they can count on will not tarnished the university's name. To enter the Todd Turner. Now, This is almost let you Emmert was hired as point. He must sign the employ Turner? The most there is likely. But regardless of. At this point, Emmert is the not responsible for the's football program performance in the field. There is an coach in place. It is not, Emmert football program, or any other program in the sports department's work, supervision. This work belong to Todd · Turner. Emmert works and monitor the job performance's Todd · Turner. So the 1-10 happen. Gilby canned food Turner (rightly so). Yes, the planned 1-10. But those who responsible for the supervision procedure's action is correct. Turner expelled from's coach poor performance. If I am In the Emmert's shoes, I can not complain. Coach Search for occurrence and Turner has his the heart of the upper settings Tyrone Ling. This is the Turner's leases. This is not a Emmert rents. Of course, the Emmert sign the hire. Which is good. You want to throw some of the strange he has a the foresight, negation hire. Which is good. But the renting Emmert's responsibility. This is the Turner responsibilities. Emmert Responsibility holds a Turner responsible for the rental (he did it three years later, when Tyrone is the not a problem the answer to very obvious). Therefore, the Tyrone becomes 2-91-10 years after the first years. Not great. Warning signs began to, especially in some underperforming, turn off the games. But it's regime's first year of the, really hard to get too critical. Next year plan to go to 5-7, and there are two major event. The first a major event is the QB the injured losses. I think a lot people might will say, if there is no that year Isaiah's losses, we to go 6-6. The second is the momentous event, is the "suddenly Advanced" one days unexplicable the loss of Stanford the most ruthless people have never ever seen's soccer team. Similarly, the there is not enough firefighting Tyrone at this point. There are warning signs. There are the ground almost to tell The following year Tyrone is an action of the year have what it takes happen. In my opinion, at this point on the his hands and legs. The next year, we lose the game way is to can not be explained. Blowing Arizona - a game, we never did not lose a huge losses. The most laughable thing finale I've seen an guy is open to 20 yards out of the timeout apples cup. Blowing one pairs of 21 o'clock to Hawaii. It at this point on is a very obvious things, not the normal working. Huanshuai is in order. Perhaps the is also the In order to AD conversion. Huanshuai being blockade and complicated. Advertising's head fell - This is the taken for granted, due to some other problems, he has such a terrible renting head coach. Firefighting Tyrone after 2007 before the decision, it's really hard Emmert football program respect of done a any controversy. I would say, so that 2008's Tyrone back to the is a catastrophic mistake. It should never happened Guo. You want to throw 0-12 Emmert - all my. I think the, if you catch Emmert reflex, real moments, he will tell you in hindsight, he should has already taken action, this is the not worth the Holocaust 0-12. Under the bus car to throw Emmert Yu 2008. This is the his responsibility. 2004-2007? Not so much. Through a variety of means, please you, please tell me, where he has the responsibility to in 2004 and 2007 other than the fact, his university headmaster. Please tell me what specific's action, he indeed sabotage procedures. You are not going find them - they do not exist. Emmert your criticism is absurd. Your criticism Woodward is just downright funny. Woodward In the Where to screwed this procedure? He was only responsible pairs of this plan in the summer of 2008 of the an full-time role. You want to embrace him to the the fire's 2008 first half of the medium-term AD? He how would be anything, from 2004-2007 years time, he did not even to participate in sports departments are responsible for? Talk about conspiracy theory. This is probably my've ever seen of the greatest conspiracy theory one of the. I do not like lose. I do not like what I saw, in the past's 5 years. It makes me feel sick to my belly a many times over. But unlike you, I can at least take a step back, and realized that of this problem origins of Before you begin, Marc · Emmert become president Washington University. If the I spent my time is a "blind's racial ban nong I," and then I will be believe that the only logical explanation our failure is already Marc · Emmert and Scott · Woodward. Frankly, the advice is in my life, I have seen the most stupid of madness Stupid the views of one of the. I do not defend the "error the goal." There are strange being thrown out Emmert the way. I readily admit this point. But it is not his full strange. Babbs worthy of blame. Gerberding worthy of blame. McCaw dense grams of worthy of somewhat strange. Slick worthy of Some strange. Gilby worthy of Some strange. Turner worthy of Some strange. Tyrone worthy of Some strange. I have listed's name, these names only 3 there is any timetable, extending to the Emmert of the term of office inside the any part of the. This is the less than half the those names. Frankly ground say that, race, you are the a world-class asses. When I hear people in Washington State the people's bitch and groans - you are a crystal example of, why people scolded of Washington State. When I heard bitch the University of Washington fans, they's complaining about is the what, you behalf of those who complaint person. In my opinion, you is not the University of Washington is good. You is not Help program. You is not help the university. You are completely self-serving and flashy, selfishness's asshole. You bark up the wrong tree, if you want in my afterwards. I am not a naively push the my head, make my ass ignore the what I saw. I do not think there is any person know what I will say, I will not put outspoken. All payment and participate in the game more time than I have always alive for you have done is to give you an perceive capability is a painful old man. Congratulations to this point. Thank you for for those of us how do not take action, when we are in your shoes in the 20-30 year-old young to generation.
HHB Law #1: Doogs hate the players more the longer they are in the program. HHB Law #2: What applies to other teams, does not apply to the Huskies. (e.g. player limits, weather) HHB Law #3: Doogs apologize for the coach while employed, complain that he was “worse than we can imagine” after he is fired. HHB Law #4: Doogs insist UW is always the youngest team in the nation... for 7 straight years. HHB Law #5: Recruiting is the only way to solve personnel issues, development is over rated. HHB Law #6: Doogs believe because a coach is better than Ty, he is a good coach.
You want to take the gloves off Race? You want to get down in a pissing match? Let's do it. Let's roll.
I'm getting completely fed up with your hate, negativity, and throwing people under the bus.
Quite frankly Race, I'm very, VERY happy that I don't know you. I'm quite happy that I don't lead what appears to be such a pathetic life that is faced with looking for the negativity in every situation. You need to go find something to smile at. Last I checked, it's summertime. The weather in Seattle seems to be pretty damn good right now - why don't you go check that out.
You are pretty damn wrong about things. You may think that the amount of time that you keep spewing your views that that you've now heard it enough times that you are right. Doesn't make you right.
You talk about 12-47 like that happened out of the blue sky. I've never seen you once suggest that the process of the downfall of this program began well before Emmert arrived.
You want facts? You want truth? Here's your truth.
Emmert came to the UW prior to the GLORIOUS 1-10 season under Gilby. The year before that (2003) Gilby managed to do enough to get us to 6-6, but that included the debacle at Cal where we gave up 700 yards (or thereabouts). It was an indifferent team that pretty much was at best mediocre. We lost 5 of our last 8, including the blowout to Cal, the blowout to UCLA, and a home loss to NEVADA. Yep, the program was heading in the right direction.
The 2002 season under Slick was another sterling season example that is most remembered for the "Northwest Championship." That was great. But it hid the fact that going into the "Northwest Championship" we were a 4-5 football team that was pretty much a joke at 1-4 in the conference. In both 2002 and 2003, we finished the season with a 4-4 conference record.
These weren't good football teams. The trend was heading downhill.
Emmert comes on board and immediately gets sadled with the Gilby 1-10 debacle.
Prior to Emmert coming on board, Babs jumps ship after a decade of mis-management, including allowing the stadium to begin the erosion process.
Throughout 2003, we're faced with Slick leaving and the subsequent lawsuit(s), Dr. Feelgood, and a whole mess with the softball program and Teresa Wilson.
Now keep in mind the following: ALL THIS HAPPENED BEFORE EMMERT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON.
Things were not in great shape. I think just about everybody knew that.
A search committee is formed to replace Babs. The BOR, upper campus, and the big donor supporters of the school are sick of the egg showing up on their face. They are sick of the country club that Babs ran and the loose way she ran the department - particularly in light of what went on with Slick. They wanted someone prim, proper, and who they could count on would not sully the University name. ENTER TODD TURNER.
Now, this pretty much gets you up to the point where Emmert was hired. Did he have to sign off on the hiring of Turner? Most likely. But whatever.
At this point, Emmert isn't responsible for the on-field performance of the football program. There is a coach in place. It's not Emmert's job to oversee the football program or any other program in the athletic department. That job belongs to Todd Turner. It's Emmert's job to monitor the job performance of Todd Turner.
So 1-10 happens. Gilby is canned by Turner (rightfully so). Yes, the program went 1-10. But the actions of those charged with overseeing the program were correct. Turner fired the coach for poor performance. If I'm in Emmert's shoes, I can't complain.
Coaching search takes place and Turner has his heart set on Tyrone Willingham. It's Turner's hire. It's not Emmert's hire. Surely Emmert had to sign off on the hire. That's fine. You want to throw some blame on him for not having the foresight to negate the hire. That's fine. But the hire isn't Emmert's responsibility. It's Turner's responsibility. It's Emmert's responsibility to hold Turner accountable for the hire (which he did 3 years later when it was obvious that Tyrone wasn't the answer).
So Tyrone goes 2-9 the first year after a 1-10 year. Not great. Warning signs start going off, particularly with some poor performance to close games. But it's the first year of the regime and really hard to get too critical.
The next year the program goes 5-7 and has 2 significant events. The first significant event is the loss of the QB to injury. I think many could argue that without the loss of Isaiah that year, we go 6-6. The second event that was significant was the "suddenly senior" day and the unexplicable loss to Stanford with the most emotionless football team anybody had ever seen. Again, there's not enough there to fire Tyrone at that point. There are warning signs. There is ground to pretty much tell Tyrone that the following year is an action year where something needs to happen. He's on a short leash at this point in my opinion.
The following year we lose games in ways that are unexplainable. Blow a huge loss to Arizona - a game we should have never lost. The most ridiculous ending to an Apple Cup I've ever seen where a guy was open by 20 yards coming out of a timeout. Blowing a pair of 21 point leads to Hawai'i. It was pretty obvious at this point that things weren't working. Coaching change was in order. Perhaps an AD change was also in order. The coaching change was blocked and complicated. The AD's head fell - and rightfully so due to some other issues that he had and such a terrible hire of a head coach.
Prior to the decision to fire Tyrone after 2007, it's really hard to argue with ANYTHING that Emmert had done with respect to the football program.
I will say that bringing Tyrone back for 2008 was a disasterous mistake. It should have never happened. You want to throw 0-12 on Emmert - I'm all for it. I think if you caught Emmert in a reflective, truthful moment, he would tell you in hindsight that he should have made the move and that it wasn't worth the carnage of 0-12.
Throw Emmert under the bus for 2008. That's his responsibility. 2004-2007? Not so much. By all means, please, please tell me where he has responsibility for 2004 and 2007 other than the fact that he's the University President. Please tell me what specific actions that he did to undermine the program. You aren't going to find them - they aren't there.
Your criticism of Emmert is ridiculous. Your criticism of Woodward is just downright comical.
Where has Woodward screwed this program? He has only been responsible for this program in the summer of 2008 in a full-time role. Are you going to hold him to the fire for being the interim AD for the first half of 2008? How is he responsible for anything from 2004-2007 when he wasn't even involved with the Athletic Department? Talk about conspiracy theories. This may be one of the greatest conspiracy theories I've ever seen.
I don't like losing. I don't like what I've seen the last 5 years. It's made me sick to my stomach many times over. But unlike you, I can at least take a step back and realize that the genesis of this problem began well before Mark Emmert became President of the University of Washington.
If I spent my time being a "mindless Race Bannon minion," then I'd be convinced that the only logical explanation for our failures have been Mark Emmert and Scott Woodward.
Quite frankly, that opinion is one of the most idiotic insanely stupid opinions that I've ever seen in my life.
I don't defend the "wrong targets." There is blame to be thrown Emmert's way. I readily acknowledge that. But it isn't his full blame. Babs deserves blame. Gerberding deserves blame. McCormick deserves some blame. Slick deserves some blame. Gilby deserves some blame. Turner deserves some blame. Tyrone deserves some blame. Of the names I've listed, only 3 of those names have any timeline that extends into any portion of Emmert's tenure. That's less than half of those names.
Quite frankly Race, you are a world class donkey. When I hear people bitch and moan about the people in the State of Washington - you are a crystal example of why people bitch about the State of Washington. When I hear people that bitch about the fans of the University of Washington and what their complaints are, you represent what those complaints are.
In my opinion, you are not good for the University of Washington. You aren't helping the program. You aren't helping the University. You are entirely self-serving and a pompous, egotistical jerk.
You are barking up the wrong tree if you are going after me. I'm not naive enough to shove my head so far up my arse to ignore what I am seeing. I don't think that there is anybody that knows me that would say that I wouldn't call a spade a spade.
All that paying for and attending games longer than I've been alive has done for you is given you a perceived ability to go be a bitter old man. Congrats on that.
Thanks for showing those of us in a younger generation how not to act in 20-30 years when we are in your shoes.
(note: the retranslated version deserves its own post in this thread too)
hmmm i guess my precis version of "let's roll" didn't get all the thumbs up so you all wanted the unabridged version. #Fuck!
speaking of, we need to add a definition for when someone references Tequilla and his loquaciously unnecessary and boorishly condescending poasts of long-windedness.
speaking of, we need to add a definition for when someone references Tequilla and his loquaciously unnecessary and boorishly condescending poasts of long-windedness.
I don't know about a definition per se, but I do know there were many replies that involved the posting of War and Peace until iDawg (who?) got mad.
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I'm getting completely fed up with your hate, negativity, and throwing people under the bus.
Quite frankly Race, I'm very, VERY happy that I don't know you. I'm quite happy that I don't lead what appears to be such a pathetic life that is faced with looking for the negativity in every situation. You need to go find something to smile at. Last I checked, it's summertime. The weather in Seattle seems to be pretty damn good right now - why don't you go check that out.
You are pretty damn wrong about things. You may think that the amount of time that you keep spewing your views that that you've now heard it enough times that you are right. Doesn't make you right.
You talk about 12-47 like that happened out of the blue sky. I've never seen you once suggest that the process of the downfall of this program began well before Emmert arrived.
You want facts? You want truth? Here's your truth.
Emmert came to the UW prior to the GLORIOUS 1-10 season under Gilby. The year before that (2003) Gilby managed to do enough to get us to 6-6, but that included the debacle at Cal where we gave up 700 yards (or thereabouts). It was an indifferent team that pretty much was at best mediocre. We lost 5 of our last 8, including the blowout to Cal, the blowout to UCLA, and a home loss to NEVADA. Yep, the program was heading in the right direction.
The 2002 season under Slick was another sterling season example that is most remembered for the "Northwest Championship." That was great. But it hid the fact that going into the "Northwest Championship" we were a 4-5 football team that was pretty much a joke at 1-4 in the conference. In both 2002 and 2003, we finished the season with a 4-4 conference record.
These weren't good football teams. The trend was heading downhill.
Emmert comes on board and immediately gets sadled with the Gilby 1-10 debacle.
Prior to Emmert coming on board, Babs jumps ship after a decade of mis-management, including allowing the stadium to begin the erosion process.
Throughout 2003, we're faced with Slick leaving and the subsequent lawsuit(s), Dr. Feelgood, and a whole mess with the softball program and Teresa Wilson.
Now keep in mind the following: ALL THIS HAPPENED BEFORE EMMERT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON.
Things were not in great shape. I think just about everybody knew that.
A search committee is formed to replace Babs. The BOR, upper campus, and the big donor supporters of the school are sick of the egg showing up on their face. They are sick of the country club that Babs ran and the loose way she ran the department - particularly in light of what went on with Slick. They wanted someone prim, proper, and who they could count on would not sully the University name. ENTER TODD TURNER.
Now, this pretty much gets you up to the point where Emmert was hired. Did he have to sign off on the hiring of Turner? Most likely. But whatever.
At this point, Emmert isn't responsible for the on-field performance of the football program. There is a coach in place. It's not Emmert's job to oversee the football program or any other program in the athletic department. That job belongs to Todd Turner. It's Emmert's job to monitor the job performance of Todd Turner.
So 1-10 happens. Gilby is canned by Turner (rightfully so). Yes, the program went 1-10. But the actions of those charged with overseeing the program were correct. Turner fired the coach for poor performance. If I'm in Emmert's shoes, I can't complain.
Coaching search takes place and Turner has his heart set on Tyrone Willingham. It's Turner's hire. It's not Emmert's hire. Surely Emmert had to sign off on the hire. That's fine. You want to throw some blame on him for not having the foresight to negate the hire. That's fine. But the hire isn't Emmert's responsibility. It's Turner's responsibility. It's Emmert's responsibility to hold Turner accountable for the hire (which he did 3 years later when it was obvious that Tyrone wasn't the answer).
So Tyrone goes 2-9 the first year after a 1-10 year. Not great. Warning signs start going off, particularly with some poor performance to close games. But it's the first year of the regime and really hard to get too critical.
The next year the program goes 5-7 and has 2 significant events. The first significant event is the loss of the QB to injury. I think many could argue that without the loss of Isaiah that year, we go 6-6. The second event that was significant was the "suddenly senior" day and the unexplicable loss to Stanford with the most emotionless football team anybody had ever seen. Again, there's not enough there to fire Tyrone at that point. There are warning signs. There is ground to pretty much tell Tyrone that the following year is an action year where something needs to happen. He's on a short leash at this point in my opinion.
The following year we lose games in ways that are unexplainable. Blow a huge loss to Arizona - a game we should have never lost. The most ridiculous ending to an Apple Cup I've ever seen where a guy was open by 20 yards coming out of a timeout. Blowing a pair of 21 point leads to Hawai'i. It was pretty obvious at this point that things weren't working. Coaching change was in order. Perhaps an AD change was also in order. The coaching change was blocked and complicated. The AD's head fell - and rightfully so due to some other issues that he had and such a terrible hire of a head coach.
Prior to the decision to fire Tyrone after 2007, it's really hard to argue with ANYTHING that Emmert had done with respect to the football program.
I will say that bringing Tyrone back for 2008 was a disasterous mistake. It should have never happened. You want to throw 0-12 on Emmert - I'm all for it. I think if you caught Emmert in a reflective, truthful moment, he would tell you in hindsight that he should have made the move and that it wasn't worth the carnage of 0-12.
Throw Emmert under the bus for 2008. That's his responsibility. 2004-2007? Not so much. By all means, please, please tell me where he has responsibility for 2004 and 2007 other than the fact that he's the University President. Please tell me what specific actions that he did to undermine the program. You aren't going to find them - they aren't there.
Your criticism of Emmert is ridiculous. Your criticism of Woodward is just downright comical.
Where has Woodward screwed this program? He has only been responsible for this program in the summer of 2008 in a full-time role. Are you going to hold him to the fire for being the interim AD for the first half of 2008? How is he responsible for anything from 2004-2007 when he wasn't even involved with the Athletic Department? Talk about conspiracy theories. This may be one of the greatest conspiracy theories I've ever seen.
I don't like losing. I don't like what I've seen the last 5 years. It's made me sick to my stomach many times over. But unlike you, I can at least take a step back and realize that the genesis of this problem began well before Mark Emmert became President of the University of Washington.
If I spent my time being a "mindless Race Bannon minion," then I'd be convinced that the only logical explanation for our failures have been Mark Emmert and Scott Woodward.
Quite frankly, that opinion is one of the most idiotic insanely stupid opinions that I've ever seen in my life.
I don't defend the "wrong targets." There is blame to be thrown Emmert's way. I readily acknowledge that. But it isn't his full blame. Babs deserves blame. Gerberding deserves blame. McCormick deserves some blame. Slick deserves some blame. Gilby deserves some blame. Turner deserves some blame. Tyrone deserves some blame. Of the names I've listed, only 3 of those names have any timeline that extends into any portion of Emmert's tenure. That's less than half of those names.
Quite frankly Race, you are a world class donkey. When I hear people bitch and moan about the people in the State of Washington - you are a crystal example of why people bitch about the State of Washington. When I hear people that bitch about the fans of the University of Washington and what their complaints are, you represent what those complaints are.
In my opinion, you are not good for the University of Washington. You aren't helping the program. You aren't helping the University. You are entirely self-serving and a pompous, egotistical jerk.
You are barking up the wrong tree if you are going after me. I'm not naive enough to shove my head so far up my arse to ignore what I am seeing. I don't think that there is anybody that knows me that would say that I wouldn't call a spade a spade.
All that paying for and attending games longer than I've been alive has done for you is given you a perceived ability to go be a bitter old man. Congrats on that.
Thanks for showing those of us in a younger generation how not to act in 20-30 years when we are in your shoes.
(note: the retranslated version deserves its own post in this thread too)
HHB Law #1: Doogs hate the players more the longer they are in the program.
HHB Law #2: What applies to other teams, does not apply to the Huskies. (e.g. player limits, weather)
HHB Law #3: Doogs apologize for the coach while employed, complain that he was “worse than we can imagine” after he is fired.
HHB Law #4: Doogs insist UW is always the youngest team in the nation... for 7 straight years.
HHB Law #5: Recruiting is the only way to solve personnel issues, development is over rated.
HHB Law #6: Doogs believe because a coach is better than Ty, he is a good coach.
Damone's statement: .0000000000001% as creative as me... .0000000000000005% creative as
Race.
Disagree