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How is Trump going to handle the immigration issue come election time?
oregonblitzkrieg
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He's been an abysmal failure on this, his supposed signature issue. He's been nothing but talk and hot air. A big windbag. There is still no wall. Invaders are pouring in by the millions. His administration is either complicit or incompetent. Likely both. The other side is for open borders. So is Trump apparently. He's done NOTHING to stop the invasion. He's been so spineless that he even backed down on putting real pressure on the communist president of Mexico.
It will take some yuge action on his part to get many of his former supporters back on his side again, big action to get these supporters to pick up a ballot and vote him in again.
It will take some yuge action on his part to get many of his former supporters back on his side again, big action to get these supporters to pick up a ballot and vote him in again.
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Go back to your own country!
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RacistHHusky said:Go back to your own country!
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Doubt it...you have the other side wanting to decriminalizing all illegal immigration and offering to give all illegal immigrants free health care. Hell, you had a chunk of them cross the boarder and campaign with the illegals.
Trump will win that argument easy...
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Yep. The DNC has shown themselves once again to not be very skilled at the winning an election part. For the moderator to tee' up the "raise your hand" question on immigration and health care was campaign suicide.HoustonHusky said:Doubt it...you have the other side wanting to decriminalizing all illegal immigration and offering to give all illegal immigrants free health care. Hell, you had a chunk of them cross the boarder and campaign with the illegals.
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Sounds like a manufactured scenario straight out of the NWO factory. Have the puppets one side, the leftists, take a stance that is so insane and outrageous as to make the stance of the puppets on the other side seem palatable. Trump's stance on this issue is talk a big game, but do nothing. That's not winning the argument. It's putting lipstick on a pig. In the end the result will be the same, because the US is controlled by the NWO. And the NWO wants the immigration invasion to continue.HoustonHusky said:Doubt it...you have the other side wanting to decriminalizing all illegal immigration and offering to give all illegal immigrants free health care. Hell, you had a chunk of them cross the boarder and campaign with the illegals.
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CNN has now obliged, there will be no more questions like that asked during the debate. The MSM is now going to help the Rats hide their positions on issues.creepycoug said:
Yep. The DNC has shown themselves once again to not be very skilled at the winning an election part. For the moderator to tee' up the "raise your hand" question on immigration and health care was campaign suicide.
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Yes. They're all to blame.SFGbob said:
CNN has now obliged, there will be no more questions like that asked during the debate. The MSM is now going to help the Rats hide their positions on issues.
Btw, why do you blame the moderator? Shouldn't the candidates be blamed for how they answered?
The moderator who asked those questions - the guy who asked a few questions in Spanish - I assume was hand picked as part of some hackneyed attempt at appearing ethnic and inclusive. Ok, fair enough. At least there's some strategy. But then he asks a question that is going to alienate the political center. Stupid.
They don't need to ask that question. What are the people sympathetic to that view going to do? Vote for Trump?
If the guy was actually representative of the Cuban community and it was in fact an attempt to cull the dummies and ID who will support paying for such a program, then I applaud them for at least being honest and transparent in running the debate. In that case, the DNC should have sent these idiots a memo about what happens when D candidates align themselves with fringe social issues and forget their historic working class base.
I said this in another post: it's too back Hickenlooper is such a shadow and unknown. He has a solid background as a governor, and he seems to be a political moderate and maybe even lean a little to the right of center on the economy, more than once make his position on socialism known. But he probably doesn't stand a chance. -
Hickenlooper and Delaney are both examples of a mid 2000s Democrat. How nonexistent they are in the polls should be enough proof of how sharply left the Dems have moved.creepycoug said:
Yes. They're all to blame.
The moderator who asked those questions - the guy who asked a few questions in Spanish - I assume was hand picked as part of some hackneyed attempt at appearing ethnic and inclusive. Ok, fair enough. At least there's some strategy. But then he asks a question that is going to alienate the political center. Stupid.
They don't need to ask that question. What are the people sympathetic to that view going to do? Vote for Trump?
If the guy was actually representative of the Cuban community and it was in fact an attempt to cull the dummies and ID who will support paying for such a program, then I applaud them for at least being honest and transparent in running the debate. In that case, the DNC should have sent these idiots a memo about what happens when D candidates align themselves with fringe social issues and forget their historic working class base.
I said this in another post: it's too back Hickenlooper is such a shadow and unknown. He has a solid background as a governor, and he seems to be a political moderate and maybe even lean a little to the right of center on the economy, more than once make his position on socialism known. But he probably doesn't stand a chance. -
And he enjoys watching porn with his mother.creepycoug said:
Yes. They're all to blame.
The moderator who asked those questions - the guy who asked a few questions in Spanish - I assume was hand picked as part of some hackneyed attempt at appearing ethnic and inclusive. Ok, fair enough. At least there's some strategy. But then he asks a question that is going to alienate the political center. Stupid.
They don't need to ask that question. What are the people sympathetic to that view going to do? Vote for Trump?
If the guy was actually representative of the Cuban community and it was in fact an attempt to cull the dummies and ID who will support paying for such a program, then I applaud them for at least being honest and transparent in running the debate. In that case, the DNC should have sent these idiots a memo about what happens when D candidates align themselves with fringe social issues and forget their historic working class base.
I said this in another post: it's too back Hickenlooper is such a shadow and unknown. He has a solid background as a governor, and he seems to be a political moderate and maybe even lean a little to the right of center on the economy, more than once make his position on socialism known. But he probably doesn't stand a chance. -
First question to the Squad after their pity party today
Can you explain to Trump voters why he's a racist and talk about the extra security you have now?
Our independent media at work -
Yes and no...he picked his battles the first two of years and didn't pick immigration because the establishment Republicans didn't want it (any fix with them would have involved giving "Dreamers" and such amnesty which would go over like a lead brick with his base) and its a good wedge issue (i.e. look at how nutzo the Left has gotten on it).oregonblitzkrieg said:
Sounds like a manufactured scenario straight out of the NWO factory. Have the puppets one side, the leftists, take a stance that is so insane and outrageous as to make the stance of the puppets on the other side seem palatable. Trump's stance on this issue is talk a big game, but do nothing. That's not winning the argument. It's putting lipstick on a pig. In the end the result will be the same, because the US is controlled by the NWO. And the NWO wants the immigration invasion to continue.
He campaigns on winning the house by fixing it and actually wins the house he will have to do something...its gotten bad enough his base might not even scream about the Dreamers as much.
I would guess part of his problem is that he thought if he did tax cuts and "fixed" immigration (in a half-assed way because Paul Ryan and company wouldn't have signed off on much) in the first 2 years he's have nothing to run on (and would have pissed off part of his base) and would be a lame duck...don't agree, but my opinion isn't important.
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Paul Cryin was a problem he should have dealt with immediately. He could have applied more pressure to have that clown removed from his post and replaced.HoustonHusky said:
Yes and no...he picked his battles the first two of years and didn't pick immigration because the establishment Republicans didn't want it (any fix with them would have involved giving "Dreamers" and such amnesty which would go over like a lead brick with his base) and its a good wedge issue (i.e. look at how nutzo the Left has gotten on it).
He campaigns on winning the house by fixing it and actually wins the house he will have to do something...its gotten bad enough his base might not even scream about the Dreamers as much.
I would guess part of his problem is that he thought if he did tax cuts and "fixed" immigration (in a half-assed way because Paul Ryan and company wouldn't have signed off on much) in the first 2 years he's have nothing to run on (and would have pissed off part of his base) and would be a lame duck...don't agree, but my opinion isn't important. -
Yeah, but the backdrop of the fake Russia narrative prevented a lot of things from happening...half of his own party was on board with that fraud and ready to run him out of office. He had no political capital at the time. Heck, he couldn’t even get his own party to remove/replace Obamacare and they all ran on that.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Paul Cryin was a problem he should have dealt with immediately. He could have applied more pressure to have that clown removed from his post and replaced.
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Michigan Swing Voters Blast 2020 Democrats on Immigration: ‘We Need to Focus on Americans’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/15/michigan-swing-voters-blast-2020-democrats-on-immigration-we-need-to-focus-on-americans/
“Michigan swing voters are, by a majority, siding with President Trump’s “America First” immigration agenda and blasting plans by 2020 Democrat presidential primary candidates to open the United States-Mexico border, decriminalize illegal immigration, and provide free healthcare to all illegal aliens.
An Axios report which chronicled a focus group of Michigan swing voters — those who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but switched to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and those who voted for Barack Obama twice, but switched to vote for Trump in 2016 — finds that by a majority these voters prefer Trump’s low-immigration, high-wage economic model as opposed to the 2020 Democrats’ plans to allow an unlimited flow of foreign workers to the country, legally and illegally.”
A recent Zogby Analytics poll, conducted for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, surveyed Michigan voters on a number of immigration issues and found that a majority support Trump’s immigration agenda.
For instance, more than 54 percent of Michigan voters said they support ending the country’s mass importation of legal low-wage foreign workers, nearly half said they support ending the process known as “chain migration” whereby newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country, 77 percent said they support a nationwide ban on employers hiring illegal aliens, and 55 percent said they are more likely to support a 2020 presidential candidate who agrees with the details of these plans. -
Nationwide, mandatory E-Verify — the system that bans employers and businesses from hiring illegal aliens over American workers — is supported by at least 3-in-4 likely U.S. voters in six swing states, a new poll finds.
Mandatory E-Verify, which is part of President Trump’s most recent immigration plan, gets sweeping support from the overwhelming majority of likely American voters in swing states such as Arizona, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
The latest Zogby Analytics poll conducted for the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) finds that across these six swing states, support for nationwide, mandatory E-Verify ranges from 75 percent to nearly 82 percent among all likely voters. -
trump is polling in the toilet in MichiganDJDuck said:Michigan Swing Voters Blast 2020 Democrats on Immigration: ‘We Need to Focus on Americans’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/15/michigan-swing-voters-blast-2020-democrats-on-immigration-we-need-to-focus-on-americans/
“Michigan swing voters are, by a majority, siding with President Trump’s “America First” immigration agenda and blasting plans by 2020 Democrat presidential primary candidates to open the United States-Mexico border, decriminalize illegal immigration, and provide free healthcare to all illegal aliens.
An Axios report which chronicled a focus group of Michigan swing voters — those who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but switched to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and those who voted for Barack Obama twice, but switched to vote for Trump in 2016 — finds that by a majority these voters prefer Trump’s low-immigration, high-wage economic model as opposed to the 2020 Democrats’ plans to allow an unlimited flow of foreign workers to the country, legally and illegally.”
A recent Zogby Analytics poll, conducted for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, surveyed Michigan voters on a number of immigration issues and found that a majority support Trump’s immigration agenda.
For instance, more than 54 percent of Michigan voters said they support ending the country’s mass importation of legal low-wage foreign workers, nearly half said they support ending the process known as “chain migration” whereby newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country, 77 percent said they support a nationwide ban on employers hiring illegal aliens, and 55 percent said they are more likely to support a 2020 presidential candidate who agrees with the details of these plans. -
who would have thought his "close the borders" nonsense would actually increase illegal immigration?oregonblitzkrieg said:He's been an abysmal failure on this, his supposed signature issue. He's been nothing but talk and hot air. A big windbag. There is still no wall. Invaders are pouring in by the millions. His administration is either complicit or incompetent. Likely both. The other side is for open borders. So is Trump apparently. He's done NOTHING to stop the invasion. He's been so spineless that he even backed down on putting real pressure on the communist president of Mexico.
It will take some yuge action on his part to get many of his former supporters back on his side again, big action to get these supporters to pick up a ballot and vote him in again.
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The original question posited to start this thread reminds me of the famous Pauline Kael quote.
The Actual Pauline Kael Quote—Not As Bad, and Worse
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/culture-civilization/the-actual-pauline-kael-quote—not-as-bad-and-worse/
“The clearest example of the bizarrely naive quality of hermetic liberal provincialism was attributed to the New Yorker film critic Pauline Kael almost 40 years ago, and has been discussed in right-wing circles ever since. It went something like this: “I can’t believe Nixon won. I don’t know anyone who voted for him.” Several years ago, I went on an admittedly desultory search for the original quote and was unable to locate it.”
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Incompetent treasonous dotardcrats like Gavin Newsome are responsible for the increase in illegal immigration by promises of free health care and other widely publicized incentives for illegals to come here. Trump is responsible for not having Gavin Newsome and other sanctuary state governors and sanctuary city mayors arrested, and for not sending troops to border to stop the invasion and to threaten Mexico.
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dhdawg said:
trump is polling in the toilet in Michigan
Obviously not because of illegal immigration, that is the theme of this thread if you missed it.dhdawg said:
trump is polling in the toilet in Michigan
The unfortunate fact is that Democrats are underwater on the immigration issue like almost every policy position.
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Cankles was leading Trump in every Michigan poll too.
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Et Tu Leftwing Magazine Mother Jones
Stunning: Even Far Left Mother Jones Admits Leading Democrat’s Immigration Plan is “De Facto Open Borders”
“Mother Jones contributor Kevin Drum admitted this week that Elizabeth Warren’s border plan is “de facto open borders.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/stunning-even-far-left-mother-jones-admits-leading-democrats-immigration-plan-is-de-facto-open-borders/ -
That's funny. A liberal blaming Trump for the border crisis.
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Yeah, like the 7 points he was supposedly behind in Michigan prior to the election? He won that state.dhdawg said:
trump is polling in the toilet in Michigan
Some people never will learn. -
He's had almost 3 years to fix it, 2 with complete control of Congress. And it's worse now. Trump FTW!!!Bendintheriver said:That's funny. A liberal blaming Trump for the border crisis.
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Some people don't understand facts.Bendintheriver said:
Yeah, like the 7 points he was supposedly behind in Michigan prior to the election? He won that state.
Some people never will learn.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_clinton-5533.html -
Yeah...great point. The "non-partisan" polls only had Trump losing by 5 instead of 7 in Michigan.2001400ex said:
Some people don't understand facts.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_clinton-5533.html
God you are a fucking moron. -
This election will be about two subject. The economy and the Messican border with it's never ending flood of undocumented democrat voters.
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Its almost like the Democrats strategy is to obstruct Trump on the border to try to win the election
At a high human price to the props they invited to the concentration camps -
If you truly live in North Idaho. Da fuq does it matter what messicans are doing at the border?Sledog said:This election will be about two subject. The economy and the Messican border with it's never ending flood of undocumented democrat voters.
That being said, Trump had two years of complete control over Congress and owns half of Congress now. The border is getting worse and you are fucktarded to blame the minority party. Trump owns this.
