Quite the platform you Rats are running on

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

You want a "racist" who has now had to come out and support healthcare for illegals and say that people who are in the country illegally but haven't committed any other crimes shouldn't be targeted for deportations and who has apologized repeatedly for his "moderate" positions he formerly held.

Thanks for making my point.

Use a fucking comma, or a period.

Fuck you, stop being a pathological lying piece of shit.

2001400ex said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Swaye said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.

Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes

I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?

Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.

Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.

This.

I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....

With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.

Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.

You know this. Both parties tend to cater to the extreme of their party in the primaries then shift closer to the center for the general election.

HustlinOwl said:

SFGbob said:

HustlinOwl said:

SFGbob said:

HustlinOwl said:

SFGbob said:

HustlinOwl said:

SFGbob said:

Every single one of those positions have been advocated but at least one, and in many cases the majority of all the Rats currently running for President.

The only liar here as always Hondo is you.

As long as there's one then it can be applied to all. Debate much?

Fuck strawman ass much?

Which one of those positions do they all oppose and which position is only supported by a single candidate Owl?

Now go run and hide.

Again it's all or nothing for you. Binary thinking as always.

Again you fuck strawman ass because you're stupid and a liar.

Everything I listed is part of the platform the Rats currently running for President are supporting. Some support all of what I listed, some support most of what I listed. It shows how far left and fringe the Rat party has moved that any Rat candidate supports even one of the things I listed and it's telling that other than lying and claiming that no Rats support Open Borders, there isn't a single liberal here that cited a shred of evidence that shows my claims to be false despite 3 or 4 of your Kunts claiming I was lying.

Some of this + some of that = all

Yes, all Rats currently running for President have staked out fringe left wing positions that no Rats would have supported 20 years ago and the claim that the GOP is the party that’s moved to the extremes is bullshit.

2008 Obama couldn’t even win the Rat party nomination because he isn’t left wing enough

I wanted Biden in 08 and I still want him now. His age is a bit of a concern(as is President Trump), but he's an expert in his field. He's also very moderate. The experiment of a reality TV star as POTUS is over.

RaceBannon said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Swaye said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.

Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes

I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?

Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.

Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.

This.

I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....

With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.

Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.

If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my vote

And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy

Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter

Results matter

RaceBannon said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

RaceBannon said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Swaye said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.

Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes

I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?

Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.

Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.

This.

I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....

With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.

Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.

If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my vote

And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy

Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter

Results matter

I for one am shocked that you wouldn't be persuaded by Warren's pitch. But it's not undoing what Trump did, it's undoing decades of income stagnation for the bottom 90% relative to the top 10%. Trump already proved that economic populism is a winning strategy.

The devil is in the details

Yes the rich get richer but so am l. I'd need specific information on how this gap closes without fucking the middle since the rich always win

Full disclosure I don't think the government can close the gap. So it's not much of an issue to me

TurdBomber said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Swaye said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.

Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes

I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?

Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.

Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.

This.

I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....

With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.

Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.

What did you expect, honestly? The elite plutocrats in the DNC have been counting on a brown and black bridged dynasty for two decades or more, believing that when whites are no longer the majority, they will own the blind faith based black and latino vote forever. It’s all about protecting the fearful white DNC elites who hope to have mastered the technique of speaking enough of the black and brown voter language to maintain a dynasty for another generation.

But the dems over-the-top pandering is alienating the average thinking voter, including a lot of black and brown working class, to the point they’ll take a chance on Trump or just about anything but the next Queer and Reparations supporting Democrat. Most of those folks want stable employment and a government that works, not one that hugs and coddles freaks. Sorry if that offends some.

CirrhosisDawg said:

TurdBomber said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Swaye said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.

Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes

I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?

Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.

Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.

This.

I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....

With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.

Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.

What did you expect, honestly? The elite plutocrats in the DNC have been counting on a brown and black bridged dynasty for two decades or more, believing that when whites are no longer the majority, they will own the blind faith based black and latino vote forever. It’s all about protecting the fearful white DNC elites who hope to have mastered the technique of speaking enough of the black and brown voter language to maintain a dynasty for another generation.

But the dems over-the-top pandering is alienating the average thinking voter, including a lot of black and brown working class, to the point they’ll take a chance on Trump or just about anything but the next Queer and Reparations supporting Democrat. Most of those folks want stable employment and a government that works, not one that hugs and coddles freaks. Sorry if that offends some.

Lol. Fearful elites. Jfc.

salemcoog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Swaye said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.

Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes

I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?

Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.

Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.

This.

I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....

With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.

Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.

The middle class is getting absolutely butt raped by State and Local governments who are raising taxes left and right.

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

RaceBannon said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Swaye said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.

Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes

I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?

Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.

Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.

This.

I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....

With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.

Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.

If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my vote

And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy

Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter

Results matter

I for one am shocked that you wouldn't be persuaded by Warren's pitch. But it's not undoing what Trump did, it's undoing decades of income stagnation for the bottom 90% relative to the top 10%. Trump already proved that economic populism is a winning strategy.

What impact do you think illegal and legal immigration has had on the low income worker wage stagnation?

Why do people always ignore the elephant in the room when discussing this topic?