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What position did Cruz back that would have been outside the GOP mainstream as recently as 10 years ago Hondo?2001400ex said:
Right. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul weren't part of the process? I'm not even getting to the shit Trump said during the debates.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Hence my "even by primary standards" qualifier. This is further left than anything we saw in 2016.2001400ex said:
You know this. Both parties tend to cater to the extreme of their party in the primaries then shift closer to the center for the general election.GreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff. -
If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my voteGreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.
And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy
Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter
Results matter -
I for one am shocked that you wouldn't be persuaded by Warren's pitch. But it's not undoing what Trump did, it's undoing decades of income stagnation for the bottom 90% relative to the top 10%. Trump already proved that economic populism is a winning strategy.RaceBannon said:
If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my voteGreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.
And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy
Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter
Results matter -
The devil is in the detailsGreenRiverGatorz said:
I for one am shocked that you wouldn't be persuaded by Warren's pitch. But it's not undoing what Trump did, it's undoing decades of income stagnation for the bottom 90% relative to the top 10%. Trump already proved that economic populism is a winning strategy.RaceBannon said:
If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my voteGreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.
And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy
Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter
Results matter
Yes the rich get richer but so am l. I'd need specific information on how this gap closes without fucking the middle since the rich always win
Full disclosure I don't think the government can close the gap. So it's not much of an issue to me -
What impact do you think illegal and legal immigration has had on the low income worker wage stagnation?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I for one am shocked that you wouldn't be persuaded by Warren's pitch. But it's not undoing what Trump did, it's undoing decades of income stagnation for the bottom 90% relative to the top 10%. Trump already proved that economic populism is a winning strategy.RaceBannon said:
If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my voteGreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.
And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy
Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter
Results matter
Why do people always ignore the elephant in the room when discussing this topic? -
An adverse one. But it's not the cause.SFGbob said:
What impact do you think illegal and legal immigration has had on the low income worker wage stagnation?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I for one am shocked that you wouldn't be persuaded by Warren's pitch. But it's not undoing what Trump did, it's undoing decades of income stagnation for the bottom 90% relative to the top 10%. Trump already proved that economic populism is a winning strategy.RaceBannon said:
If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my voteGreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.
And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy
Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter
Results matter
Why do people always ignore the elephant in the room when discussing this topic? -
Apparently they've chosen the free college and free healthcare route to work on closing the gap, coupled with higher taxes on the wealthy. Something tells me you won't be buying what they're selling.RaceBannon said:
The devil is in the detailsGreenRiverGatorz said:
I for one am shocked that you wouldn't be persuaded by Warren's pitch. But it's not undoing what Trump did, it's undoing decades of income stagnation for the bottom 90% relative to the top 10%. Trump already proved that economic populism is a winning strategy.RaceBannon said:
If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my voteGreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.
And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy
Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter
Results matter
Yes the rich get richer but so am l. I'd need specific information on how this gap closes without fucking the middle since the rich always win
Full disclosure I don't think the government can close the gap. So it's not much of an issue to me -
What did you expect, honestly? The elite plutocrats in the DNC have been counting on a brown and black bridged dynasty for two decades or more, believing that when whites are no longer the majority, they will own the blind faith based black and latino vote forever. It’s all about protecting the fearful white DNC elites who hope to have mastered the technique of speaking enough of the black and brown voter language to maintain a dynasty for another generation.GreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.
But the dems over-the-top pandering is alienating the average thinking voter, including a lot of black and brown working class, to the point they’ll take a chance on Trump or just about anything but the next Queer and Reparations supporting Democrat. Most of those folks want stable employment and a government that works, not one that hugs and coddles freaks. Sorry if that offends some. -
Lol. Fearful elites. Jfc.TurdBomber said:
What did you expect, honestly? The elite plutocrats in the DNC have been counting on a brown and black bridged dynasty for two decades or more, believing that when whites are no longer the majority, they will own the blind faith based black and latino vote forever. It’s all about protecting the fearful white DNC elites who hope to have mastered the technique of speaking enough of the black and brown voter language to maintain a dynasty for another generation.GreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.
But the dems over-the-top pandering is alienating the average thinking voter, including a lot of black and brown working class, to the point they’ll take a chance on Trump or just about anything but the next Queer and Reparations supporting Democrat. Most of those folks want stable employment and a government that works, not one that hugs and coddles freaks. Sorry if that offends some. -
It's not the single cause but I'm not sure you can find a bigger cause.GreenRiverGatorz said:
An adverse one. But it's not the cause.SFGbob said:
What impact do you think illegal and legal immigration has had on the low income worker wage stagnation?GreenRiverGatorz said:
I for one am shocked that you wouldn't be persuaded by Warren's pitch. But it's not undoing what Trump did, it's undoing decades of income stagnation for the bottom 90% relative to the top 10%. Trump already proved that economic populism is a winning strategy.RaceBannon said:
If you tried to convince me not to believe my own eyes on what this economy is doing for me you wouldn't get my voteGreenRiverGatorz said:
With the economy still humming 2020 was never going to be a sure thing. I think the candidates were smart to start the narrative that while broad economic indicators look good, income and wealth is still stagnating for a majority of the middle and lower class. That's the kind of economic populism that can beat Trump.Swaye said:
This.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Save for a small handful, everyone on stage raised their hand at the second dem debate when asked if they supported providing healthcare for illegal immigrants. Multiple high profile candidates have expressed support for reparations despite this previously being a total non-issue outside of the fringe left. Raising taxes on the wealthy is an almost consensus democratic position. The candidates who support Medicare for all, namely Sanders and Warren, have stated that they will eliminate the private healthcare industry.2001400ex said:
I always laugh when you call someone a liar. This time I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Which mainstream candidate has those positions posted on their website?SFGbob said:Open borders
Healthcare for illegals
Reparations
Return to force busing.
The American flag is a racist symbol of hate
Pro-Abortion right up until and even after the moment of birth.
Raising taxes
Race based mortgages
the elimination of the private health insurance industry.
Did I miss anything? But remember now, according to O'Keefed, it's the GOP that's moved to the fringes
Obviously Bob threw in a few of his trademarked kooky conservative shit bombs, but he's not wrong that the democratic field has moved sharply left. And it's increasingly starting to look like a losing strategy.
I have maintained for ages now that the Dems would have to really try to lose in 2020. Looks like they are well on their way....
Then they decided to blow it all to shit by taking extreme positions on healthcare and illegal immigration, while re-stoking all of the identity politics flames that turned so much of the country off of them in 2016. They had a prime chance to retake the middle, and they instead doubled down on their most left wing supporters. Even by primary standards they're falling off a cliff.
And I am internet middle class guy not internet rich guy
Forget the extreme positions. Just saying you want to undo what Trump has done is a no starter
Results matter
Why do people always ignore the elephant in the room when discussing this topic?
