Gangster in the WH
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This is the kind of issue that gets people to quietly pull the lever for Trump next timecreepycoug said:
I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
It's not personally Sonny. It's just business.
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The vote of shame and failure.RaceBannon said:
This is the kind of issue that gets people to quietly pull the lever for Trump next timecreepycoug said:
I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
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No answer but lots of mouth. Huawei, the Chinese tech company is currently the world’s biggest supplier of telecom network equipment and the number two cellphone producer. They had $100 Billion in revenue last year and they've been stealing from us for over decade. Gosh and CD the ignorant Kunt claimed that California was eating China's lunch. I "get" that you have nothing but your ignorant mouth.CirrhosisDawg said:
Can you read? I told you skilled and educated Americans in California eat the Chinese for lunch every day. Better product. Better service. Better skills. That’s why you don’t get it. That’s why you are a failure. So sorry for you.SFGbob said:Both parties but especially the Rats starting with Clinton have been bending over for the Chi Coms. They've been stealing us blind for years now and we have done nothing. CD is just a fucking crank with no answers and a raft of strawman ass fucks. No one is claiming that tariffs equal free trade or any of the other laundry list of crap he cites. Ask him what should be done about China IP theft and you'll get another one of his sweet Kunt acts. The guy has nothing.
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Stipulated. Tarriffs suck. They are inefficient. They are an externality to what would otherwise be an efficient trade transaction.BennyBeaver said:
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
But national trade policy, theirs and ours, is its own inefficiency, but it's as real as the nose on your face.
Listen, you are preaching to the choir here. But when the deal isn't fair and you have to eat more shit than the other guy, it's not a horrible thing to throw a punch.
Long-term, no question; protectionist policy will cause us to rot from the inside out. Short-term? -
If this were just about an unfair trade deal I'd be more sympathetic the anti-tariff side but at this point what other sticks do we have to deal with China's rampant theft?creepycoug said:
Stipulated. Tarriffs suck. They are inefficient. They are an externality to what would otherwise be an efficient trade transaction.BennyBeaver said:
I’m not advocating for any other policy, just illustrating the effects tariffs are having on my industry, and in turn the 🇺🇸 consumer.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
But national trade policy, theirs and ours, is its own inefficiency, but it's as real as the nose on your face.
Listen, you are preaching to the choir here. But when the deal isn't fair and you have to eat more shit than the other guy, it's not a horrible thing to throw a punch.
Long-term, no question; protectionist policy will cause us to rot from the inside out. Short-term?
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Again, I’m sorry you don’t have the skills or capabilities to compete. It’s not a problem in capital markets. We win. Sounds like you’ve made a lot of poor life decisions Bob.SFGbob said:
No answer but lots of mouth. Huawei, the Chinese tech company is currently the world’s biggest supplier of telecom network equipment and the number two cellphone producer. They had $100 Billion in revenue last year and they've been stealing from us for over decade. Gosh and CD the ignorant Kunt claimed that California was eating China's lunch. I "get" that you have nothing but your ignorant mouth.CirrhosisDawg said:
Can you read? I told you skilled and educated Americans in California eat the Chinese for lunch every day. Better product. Better service. Better skills. That’s why you don’t get it. That’s why you are a failure. So sorry for you.SFGbob said:Both parties but especially the Rats starting with Clinton have been bending over for the Chi Coms. They've been stealing us blind for years now and we have done nothing. CD is just a fucking crank with no answers and a raft of strawman ass fucks. No one is claiming that tariffs equal free trade or any of the other laundry list of crap he cites. Ask him what should be done about China IP theft and you'll get another one of his sweet Kunt acts. The guy has nothing.
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Never said our total costs are going up 25%, only the costs of components affected by the tariffs.RaceBannon said:
So you get a portion of your party favors from China. But you source from all over the globe. So your total cost isn't going up 25%, only that portion. How much knock off stolen garbage do you use from China? Is there nowhere else on the globe you can get that?BennyBeaver said:
Where is the whining? I'm just stating the facts, higher costs will get passed on to you, the consumer.RaceBannon said:
Global economyBennyBeaver said:
This is just such a dim, myopic view of how goods are manufactured in a global economy.RaceBannon said:
Assuming they want to by the crap you import from ChinaBennyBeaver said:
Either way it will cost us billions.SFGbob said:
Something had to be done. Ignoring the problem wasn't working. China's theft of US intellectual property was costing us billions.YellowSnow said:Who knows if the new TUFF on China approach will work or not. But we do know that the old approach wasn't.
I like free trade with allies and frens. Maybe China just doesn't want to be our fren.
My company is being hit with the tariffs. Guess what? In the short-medium term, we aren't going to resource components away from the suppliers. Nope. That takes time and $.
We will pass the tariff along to our customer, who in turn will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to their customer, who will pass it along to the citizens of the US in the form of higher prices.
I guess white trash needs those cheap knock off stolen goods, right @CirrhosisDawg ?
Be a better business man and stop relying on crap to make a buck
Our products are made of components sourced from all over the world, including the good ol' USA. Our products/services are recognized as the technological and quality gold standard in the industry, are in high demand and never the cheapest alternative.
We hold a dominant market position of #1 or #2 in almost every product line we produce in every region.
So, we will continue to source components from the best cost country in the short and medium term and pass the 25% tariff on to our customers. As such, the tariff will get passed on to you Mr. Race Bannon in the form of higher prices, because everything you touch in your daily life in the past, present and future will have to utilize our products.
Well, stop whining and live with it
The USA is part of the globe.
If you source from all over the world then losing the cheap knock off stolen shit from China shouldn't hurt your party favor business.
You raise something I want 25% I go elsewhere. Its global you know
Who is talking about party favors? I'm talking about highly engineered products, designed into products that you cannot live without.
Turd is right, Phil Knight didn't pass the savings of using child labor along to the consumer and I doubt your fireworks company does either.
We could source these components from other suppliers, but it takes time and $ to do so.
Or we can continue to use the same suppliers, but have our Mexican entities do the importing and assembly of our party favors, no tariffs. But then high paying jerbs are moved from the US to Mexico. Sad! -
That must be why all the Hillary voters here now deny itCirrhosisDawg said:
The vote of shame and failure.RaceBannon said:
This is the kind of issue that gets people to quietly pull the lever for Trump next timecreepycoug said:
I mean, that's it right there. That's the point of it.UW_Doog_Bot said:Benny, how would you address these problems with China alternatively though? The simple fact is that they need our market a lot more than we need theirs. Supply chains are already moving away from China as cheap labor dries up and as the population begins to age. Vietnam, India, etc. Opening our markets to them(which once upon a time I believed in) has failed to do anything other than create a neo-facist almost super power in the world.
Sorry not sorry, a little short term pain for American consumers is a small price to pay to avoid a world dominated by the CCP. It's definitely preferable to world war 3 nuclear bugaloo. Happy to hear the alternative method to bring the CCP to heel that's better. Convince me and I'll advocate for that.
Like Trump, hate Trump, whatever Trump. Whomever is making a play to solve this, you can only evaluate the play after you ask yourself two questions: (1) is there anything about our economic relationship with the Chinese that's long-term detrimental to American interests (I assume we all agree "yes" here); and (2) what levers do we? have to pull?
I am not a Trump guy, and I don't reflexively respond to Tuff talk and bravado. But taking a hard line with China, now, as opposed to when we need them more than they need us, is not the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Recognize, too, that there is a Yuge cultural issue here. We walk, talk and act like Western Europeans. We understand each other for obvious reasons and can thus appeal to each other's sense of fairness, right, wrong, etc. When someone from Western Europe is fucking you, he knows he's fucking you, and he knows you know that he knows.
The Chinese are a different animal. I've dealt with their import bureaucracy and layers and layers of "agents" whom you need to hire to get you from the dock to their markets. Everybody has their hand out there, and what we consider dishonesty is a routine day at the office for them. They're different. Not better or worse, but different. For that reason, I've always been as cynical about talking shit out with them as I was about Trumpy's chances with fatboy. Ain't gonna work. You gotta him 'em where it hurts. This is a population of people who can still remember what it's like to starve. This isn't about diplomacy. It's free market economis. You do what you're in a position to do, and you take what you're in a position to have to take. It's that simple.
It's not personally Sonny. It's just business.
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Except that we historically have these notions that inventors and innovators should get paid for doing so. The Chinese don't. In fact, per Marxist doctrine IP is all property of the state anyways. This is why China can't innovate shit. So they steal it from everyone else. Pretending it's not a problem with some defense of free markets is kind of disingenuous. Doubly so when they have actual detention camps with slave labor all over XinJiang and Tibet.CirrhosisDawg said:
Again, I’m sorry you don’t have the skills or capabilities to compete. It’s not a problem in capital markets. We win. Sounds like you’ve made a lot of poor life decisions Bob.SFGbob said:
No answer but lots of mouth. Huawei, the Chinese tech company is currently the world’s biggest supplier of telecom network equipment and the number two cellphone producer. They had $100 Billion in revenue last year and they've been stealing from us for over decade. Gosh and CD the ignorant Kunt claimed that California was eating China's lunch. I "get" that you have nothing but your ignorant mouth.CirrhosisDawg said:
Can you read? I told you skilled and educated Americans in California eat the Chinese for lunch every day. Better product. Better service. Better skills. That’s why you don’t get it. That’s why you are a failure. So sorry for you.SFGbob said:Both parties but especially the Rats starting with Clinton have been bending over for the Chi Coms. They've been stealing us blind for years now and we have done nothing. CD is just a fucking crank with no answers and a raft of strawman ass fucks. No one is claiming that tariffs equal free trade or any of the other laundry list of crap he cites. Ask him what should be done about China IP theft and you'll get another one of his sweet Kunt acts. The guy has nothing.
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Tariffs = good
when you are protecting your industry from foreign predators.
The U.S. got rich behind tariff walls from 1868-1913. America industrialized by protecting itself from already developed economies like Britain.
China also gave itself breathing room, and sped up the industrialization process by stealing American know how.
Tariffs= bad
Only when you have monopoly forming with domestic industries, and they are taking rents. In this case you lower tariffs to get lowest prices
