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If Medicare for all is such a slick no brainer
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Yeah, the government is doing such a knock out job with their socialist utopia programs that are driving up skyrocketing spending! We should definitely increase that!2001400ex said:
Well then what you are saying is, half the market is already government ran, is not a big stretch to make the entire system government ran.UW_Doog_Bot said:
*sigh* The point is that public expenditures are a Yuge part of our system. The fact that they make up around 50% of the market tells you just what a "free" market it is. A pure free market should have 0% public expenditures.2001400ex said:
I agree with you. But if I read that chart right. It shows that through 2007, public expenditures are less than private. No?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
C'mon Hondo, it's NOT hard.
Socialist playbook. -
It's not hard but you won't post it?UW_Doog_Bot said:
komo4buttfucker, it's not hard. I believe government spending exceeded private in the last few years but I could be wrong.2001400ex said:UW_Doog_Bot said:And further, part of why I like to use the historical numbers, is because you can see how sharply spending (both public and private) took off exactly when the government entered the market in 1965. There's also sharp increases with the various passages of each version of medicare.
If your argument is that our current system is inefficient, there is strong correlated evidence that government spending, and the crowding out it causes the private sector, is what is driving those inefficiencies. Keep blaming the private sector for the increasing failings of an increasingly socialist system. It's the socialist playbook.
I'd like to see the chart through 2017.
I'd also like to see GDP through 2017 as well.
And with the expansion of Medicare and baby boomers, I'm not surprised if public exceeded private. -
So I am in the strip mall blood sucking diagnostic place this morning to get several blood tests per my doctor
I said I am cash and want the discount. She says the Dr needed to stamp the order for her to be able to do that.
No you don't, I wittily replied, I'm paying not the Dr.
But I need that stamp.
No, you don't
I can call my boss
Yes, you can
Boss is a dick and says she needs the stamp
She gloats that she needs the stamp.
I ask what the difference is. 240$ cash, 700$ insurance
I say you really think I'm paying 500 more because of a stamp? Go fuck yourself
Have a nice day she says sarcastically
Fuck you I note while leaving
I hate healthcare. With a burning passion. Fuck them all -
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat. -
Better spend hundreds of billions to fight imaginary enemies at the end of the earth. Much better use of our wealth than social programs that literally prevent people from dying!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yeah, the government is doing such a knock out job with their socialist utopia programs that are driving up skyrocketing spending! We should definitely increase that!2001400ex said:
Well then what you are saying is, half the market is already government ran, is not a big stretch to make the entire system government ran.UW_Doog_Bot said:
*sigh* The point is that public expenditures are a Yuge part of our system. The fact that they make up around 50% of the market tells you just what a "free" market it is. A pure free market should have 0% public expenditures.2001400ex said:
I agree with you. But if I read that chart right. It shows that through 2007, public expenditures are less than private. No?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
C'mon Hondo, it's NOT hard.
Socialist playbook. -
What percentage of profit do you think health insurance and pharmaceuticals are making? Most of the majors are public companies so we should all probably invest in them if they are making a killing.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
What a twat. -
Sweet Geezus what a dumbfuck.2001400ex said:
Well then what you are saying is, half the market is already government ran, is not a big stretch to make the entire system government ran.UW_Doog_Bot said:
*sigh* The point is that public expenditures are a Yuge part of our system. The fact that they make up around 50% of the market tells you just what a "free" market it is. A pure free market should have 0% public expenditures.2001400ex said:
I agree with you. But if I read that chart right. It shows that through 2007, public expenditures are less than private. No?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
C'mon Hondo, it's NOT hard. -
JFC who the fuck is going to do anything without a profit?
There is a big need to change
The devil remains firmly ensconced in the details
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This is why arguing with a liberal is pointless.HardlyClothed said:
Better spend hundreds of billions to fight imaginary enemies at the end of the earth. Much better use of our wealth than social programs that literally prevent people from dying!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yeah, the government is doing such a knock out job with their socialist utopia programs that are driving up skyrocketing spending! We should definitely increase that!2001400ex said:
Well then what you are saying is, half the market is already government ran, is not a big stretch to make the entire system government ran.UW_Doog_Bot said:
*sigh* The point is that public expenditures are a Yuge part of our system. The fact that they make up around 50% of the market tells you just what a "free" market it is. A pure free market should have 0% public expenditures.2001400ex said:
I agree with you. But if I read that chart right. It shows that through 2007, public expenditures are less than private. No?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
C'mon Hondo, it's NOT hard.
Socialist playbook. -
Awesome idea! I’m going to put the $50 I have available after I pay my $800 monthly premium into Pfizer stock next chance I get.UW_Doog_Bot said:
What percentage of profit do you think health insurance and pharmaceuticals are making? Most of the majors are public companies so we should all probably invest in them if they are making a killing.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
What a twat. -
There's a not for profit healthcare system operating right now. It's called the VA and we can all see how wonderfully they provide healthcare.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat. -
The VA! Venezuela! Bill Ayers!SFGbob said:
There's a not for profit healthcare system operating right now. It's called the VA and we can all see how wonderfully they provide healthcare.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat. -
Thanks Obama!HardlyClothed said:
Awesome idea! I’m going to put the $50 I have available after I pay my $800 monthly premium into Pfizer stock next chance I get.UW_Doog_Bot said:
What percentage of profit do you think health insurance and pharmaceuticals are making? Most of the majors are public companies so we should all probably invest in them if they are making a killing.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
What a twat.
The last "fix" fucked affordable insurance
Can't wait for the next one! -
Your daily routine is arguing with liberals on an online message board so what does that saySFGbob said:
This is why arguing with a liberal is pointless.HardlyClothed said:
Better spend hundreds of billions to fight imaginary enemies at the end of the earth. Much better use of our wealth than social programs that literally prevent people from dying!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yeah, the government is doing such a knock out job with their socialist utopia programs that are driving up skyrocketing spending! We should definitely increase that!2001400ex said:
Well then what you are saying is, half the market is already government ran, is not a big stretch to make the entire system government ran.UW_Doog_Bot said:
*sigh* The point is that public expenditures are a Yuge part of our system. The fact that they make up around 50% of the market tells you just what a "free" market it is. A pure free market should have 0% public expenditures.2001400ex said:
I agree with you. But if I read that chart right. It shows that through 2007, public expenditures are less than private. No?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
C'mon Hondo, it's NOT hard.
Socialist playbook. -
You do understand the difference between the VA and a single payer system right? I doubt it so I'll explain it.SFGbob said:
There's a not for profit healthcare system operating right now. It's called the VA and we can all see how wonderfully they provide healthcare.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
You see, a single payer system still relies on the same doctors and hospitals, which are not government ran and owned. -
The shitty part of Obamacare was the exchanges that allowed the insurance and pharma vultures continued windfalls.RaceBannon said:
Thanks Obama!HardlyClothed said:
Awesome idea! I’m going to put the $50 I have available after I pay my $800 monthly premium into Pfizer stock next chance I get.UW_Doog_Bot said:
What percentage of profit do you think health insurance and pharmaceuticals are making? Most of the majors are public companies so we should all probably invest in them if they are making a killing.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
What a twat.
The last "fix" fucked affordable insurance
Can't wait for the next one!
The good part was medicaid expansion. -
Only they don't get to PROFIT I assume2001400ex said:
You do understand the difference between the VA and a single payer system right? I doubt it so I'll explain it.SFGbob said:
There's a not for profit healthcare system operating right now. It's called the VA and we can all see how wonderfully they provide healthcare.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
You see, a single payer system still relies on the same doctors and hospitals, which are not government ran and owned.
Death camps for Doctors
Work is freedom!
Edit to point out the usual hondo bullshit. He who pays has the say. They don't have to run the hospital they just set the rates and say what is covered and what isn't
But they aren't running it!!!!!1111!!!!! -
Get rid of government healthcare. Create medical savings accounts that people pay into just like they do with SS over the course of their entire working life and create catastrophic health insurance to cover extra ordinary expenses life cancer and heart surgery.RaceBannon said:JFC who the fuck is going to do anything without a profit?
There is a big need to change
The devil remains firmly ensconced in the details
Let people shop for their everyday healthcare needs just like they do with every other consumer product. Build an incentive into the system for people to save money. Treat the money accumulated in the MSA as an asset that people can pass onto their heirs when they die. Why do people spend the greatest percentage of all their healthcare cost in the last two years of their lives? Because for the most part they ain't paying for it. -
Why is it $800? Oh right, because of market intervention the last time.HardlyClothed said:
Awesome idea! I’m going to put the $50 I have available after I pay my $800 monthly premium into Pfizer stock next chance I get.UW_Doog_Bot said:
What percentage of profit do you think health insurance and pharmaceuticals are making? Most of the majors are public companies so we should all probably invest in them if they are making a killing.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
What a twat.
Socialist playbook. -
When you get cancer or a life threatening disease. Let me know how shopping works out.SFGbob said:
Get rid of government healthcare. Create medical savings accounts that people pay into just like they do with SS over the course of their entire working life and create catastrophic health insurance to cover extra ordinary expenses life cancer and heart surgery.RaceBannon said:JFC who the fuck is going to do anything without a profit?
There is a big need to change
The devil remains firmly ensconced in the details
Let people shop for their everyday healthcare needs just like they do with every other consumer product. Build an incentive into the system for people to save money. Treat the money accumulated in the MSA as an asset that people can pass onto their heirs when they die. Why do people spend the greatest percentage of all their healthcare cost in the last two years of their lives? Because for the most part they ain't paying for it.
You do know there's a difference between buying a car and cancer care, right? -
Dipshit, their profits were controlled and prices were fixed based on that under obamacare.HardlyClothed said:
The shitty part of Obamacare was the exchanges that allowed the insurance and pharma vultures continued windfalls.RaceBannon said:
Thanks Obama!HardlyClothed said:
Awesome idea! I’m going to put the $50 I have available after I pay my $800 monthly premium into Pfizer stock next chance I get.UW_Doog_Bot said:
What percentage of profit do you think health insurance and pharmaceuticals are making? Most of the majors are public companies so we should all probably invest in them if they are making a killing.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
What a twat.
The last "fix" fucked affordable insurance
Can't wait for the next one!
The good part was medicaid expansion. -
Except that then either 1)those companies and doctors will price gouge(see the defense industry) or 2) they will reduce the amount supplied bc of the arbitrary price ceilings the government sets, waiting lines and shortages(see Europe or Venezuela)2001400ex said:
You do understand the difference between the VA and a single payer system right? I doubt it so I'll explain it.SFGbob said:
There's a not for profit healthcare system operating right now. It's called the VA and we can all see how wonderfully they provide healthcare.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
You see, a single payer system still relies on the same doctors and hospitals, which are not government ran and owned.
You can argue that gravity and market forces don't exist all you want. Both will still continue to forces acting in the real world. -
There's really not much of an argument. There's guys like you who emote a lot but when it comes to an argument you don't offer much.HardlyClothed said:
Your daily routine is arguing with liberals on an online message board so what does that saySFGbob said:
This is why arguing with a liberal is pointless.HardlyClothed said:
Better spend hundreds of billions to fight imaginary enemies at the end of the earth. Much better use of our wealth than social programs that literally prevent people from dying!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yeah, the government is doing such a knock out job with their socialist utopia programs that are driving up skyrocketing spending! We should definitely increase that!2001400ex said:
Well then what you are saying is, half the market is already government ran, is not a big stretch to make the entire system government ran.UW_Doog_Bot said:
*sigh* The point is that public expenditures are a Yuge part of our system. The fact that they make up around 50% of the market tells you just what a "free" market it is. A pure free market should have 0% public expenditures.2001400ex said:
I agree with you. But if I read that chart right. It shows that through 2007, public expenditures are less than private. No?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
C'mon Hondo, it's NOT hard.
Socialist playbook. -
Except insurance companies were given 30 million new customers. Did you hear of one that complained about their supposed controlled profits?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Dipshit, their profits were controlled and prices were fixed based on that under obamacare.HardlyClothed said:
The shitty part of Obamacare was the exchanges that allowed the insurance and pharma vultures continued windfalls.RaceBannon said:
Thanks Obama!HardlyClothed said:
Awesome idea! I’m going to put the $50 I have available after I pay my $800 monthly premium into Pfizer stock next chance I get.UW_Doog_Bot said:
What percentage of profit do you think health insurance and pharmaceuticals are making? Most of the majors are public companies so we should all probably invest in them if they are making a killing.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
What a twat.
The last "fix" fucked affordable insurance
Can't wait for the next one!
The good part was medicaid expansion.
And with more people covered, how much more do you think big pharma made?
I thought you were an economics smart guy too. -
The socialist playbook would be getting rid of private insurance, controlling drug prices, and creating an NHS style authority.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Why is it $800? Oh right, because of market intervention the last time.HardlyClothed said:
Awesome idea! I’m going to put the $50 I have available after I pay my $800 monthly premium into Pfizer stock next chance I get.UW_Doog_Bot said:
What percentage of profit do you think health insurance and pharmaceuticals are making? Most of the majors are public companies so we should all probably invest in them if they are making a killing.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
What a twat.
Socialist playbook.
But any market intervention = socialist!!! Even when it’s an intervention that protects entrenched corporate interests.
The funniest recurring bit on this board is you pretending to be an intellectual. -
Yes, yes how dare anyone point out real world examples of the system you're advocating for sucking ass. We should only focus on the socialist utopia that's in your mind.HardlyClothed said:
The VA! Venezuela! Bill Ayers!SFGbob said:
There's a not for profit healthcare system operating right now. It's called the VA and we can all see how wonderfully they provide healthcare.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat. -
What's the difference Hondo?2001400ex said:
When you get cancer or a life threatening disease. Let me know how shopping works out.SFGbob said:
Get rid of government healthcare. Create medical savings accounts that people pay into just like they do with SS over the course of their entire working life and create catastrophic health insurance to cover extra ordinary expenses life cancer and heart surgery.RaceBannon said:JFC who the fuck is going to do anything without a profit?
There is a big need to change
The devil remains firmly ensconced in the details
Let people shop for their everyday healthcare needs just like they do with every other consumer product. Build an incentive into the system for people to save money. Treat the money accumulated in the MSA as an asset that people can pass onto their heirs when they die. Why do people spend the greatest percentage of all their healthcare cost in the last two years of their lives? Because for the most part they ain't paying for it.
You do know there's a difference between buying a car and cancer care, right?
Cue the Kunt act. -
He’s not an economics smart guy. See the thread where he said my use of “infrastructure” to describe private property rights, which was akin to conditions or framework, nullified my entire point.2001400ex said:
Except insurance companies were given 30 million new customers. Did you hear of one that complained about their supposed controlled profits?UW_Doog_Bot said:
Dipshit, their profits were controlled and prices were fixed based on that under obamacare.HardlyClothed said:
The shitty part of Obamacare was the exchanges that allowed the insurance and pharma vultures continued windfalls.RaceBannon said:
Thanks Obama!HardlyClothed said:
Awesome idea! I’m going to put the $50 I have available after I pay my $800 monthly premium into Pfizer stock next chance I get.UW_Doog_Bot said:
What percentage of profit do you think health insurance and pharmaceuticals are making? Most of the majors are public companies so we should all probably invest in them if they are making a killing.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat.
What a twat.
The last "fix" fucked affordable insurance
Can't wait for the next one!
The good part was medicaid expansion.
And with more people covered, how much more do you think big pharma made?
I thought you were an economics smart guy too. -
Sure let’s pick socialism in the Nordics.SFGbob said:
Yes, yes how dare anyone point out real world examples of the system you're advocating for sucking ass. We should only focus on the socialist utopia that's in your mind.HardlyClothed said:
The VA! Venezuela! Bill Ayers!SFGbob said:
There's a not for profit healthcare system operating right now. It's called the VA and we can all see how wonderfully they provide healthcare.HardlyClothed said:
It’s the profit motive of health insurance and pharmaceuticals that are bleeding us dry. Capitalism is working folks no need to change!UW_Doog_Bot said:
Is that because private individuals are wasting money or because the government is wasting money?Rubberfist said:
I’m sure our healthcare outcomes are FAR superior to the countries behind us in this chart.
I love that all of the socialists like to pretend the US has a purely capitalist system when the argument is about how inefficient the current system is.
Intervene in the market, distort the market, blame the market, call for more intervention, rinse and repeat. -
Have you ever known anyone with cancer Bob? You don't walk into a hospital and start discussion the options you want. Then get a price and go to other hospitals and shop it around.SFGbob said:
What's the difference Hondo?2001400ex said:
When you get cancer or a life threatening disease. Let me know how shopping works out.SFGbob said:
Get rid of government healthcare. Create medical savings accounts that people pay into just like they do with SS over the course of their entire working life and create catastrophic health insurance to cover extra ordinary expenses life cancer and heart surgery.RaceBannon said:JFC who the fuck is going to do anything without a profit?
There is a big need to change
The devil remains firmly ensconced in the details
Let people shop for their everyday healthcare needs just like they do with every other consumer product. Build an incentive into the system for people to save money. Treat the money accumulated in the MSA as an asset that people can pass onto their heirs when they die. Why do people spend the greatest percentage of all their healthcare cost in the last two years of their lives? Because for the most part they ain't paying for it.
You do know there's a difference between buying a car and cancer care, right?
Cue the Kunt act.
Same with heart attacks and strokes and shit. You don't sit up in the helicopter or ambulance and have a discussion on which hospital has the cheapest rates.
The fuck is wrong with you?
