"AZDuck, how are you ahead? How the fuck do you think? Your football and basketball programs have an endless money pit and ties to Nike (and their marketing)."
Whatever, our AD makes the most money out of all ADs in the conference now... this figure is independent of Phil Knight largesse because I don't think he has to pay for liquor, food, hookers or blow while he's listening to play calls in his headphones in his luxury suite.
And my final poont that you are Dooging it up in this thread is that my comment that Woody isn't one of the best ADs in the country ended up with you guys talking about Whoregon (lol!).
And just think, if Pat HadenFS hadn't hired Sark away, your fanbase would have been fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Armenian.
And just think, if Pat HadenFS hadn't hired Sark away, your fanbase would have been fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Armenian.
And just think, if Pat HadenFS hadn't hired Sark away, your fanbase would have been fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Armenian.
True but you can't get on those fans when it sounds like you were also fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Brooks either.
And just think, if Pat HadenFS hadn't hired Sark away, your fanbase would have been fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Armenian.
True but you can't get on those fans when it sounds like you were also fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Brooks either.
Not the case. There was the famous post-Cotton Bowl meeting between the Oregon AD, Mike Bellotti, and some big donors about what it would take for Oregon to become a consistent winner.
People at Oregon want to win, and they think they know the formula. There's some debate there, as part of the "Oregon way" is supposed to be "hire from within," which looks shaky with the Helfrich hire. Still, he deserves another season to win the conference and my confidence.
Overall, the results are pretty good, we don't have a single shitty varsity program at the university right now. Our weakest sport was women's basketball, but they fired the coach. We have one of the highest Directors' Cup scores with one of the lowest numbers of varsity sports in competition - so our guys are doing okay. I'm still not a Mullens fan however.
And just think, if Pat HadenFS hadn't hired Sark away, your fanbase would have been fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Armenian.
True but you can't get on those fans when it sounds like you were also fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Brooks either.
Not the case. There was the famous post-Cotton Bowl meeting between the Oregon AD, Mike Bellotti, and some big donors about what it would take for Oregon to become a consistent winner.
People at Oregon want to win, and they think they know the formula. There's some debate there, as part of the "Oregon way" is supposed to be "hire from within," which looks shaky with the Helfrich hire. Still, he deserves another season to win the conference and my confidence.
Overall, the results are pretty good, we don't have a single shitty varsity program at the university right now. Our weakest sport was women's basketball, but they fired the coach. We have one of the highest Directors' Cup scores with one of the lowest numbers of varsity sports in competition - so our guys are doing okay. I'm still not a Mullens fan however.
And just think, if Pat HadenFS hadn't hired Sark away, your fanbase would have been fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Armenian.
True but you can't get on those fans when it sounds like you were also fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Brooks either.
Huh? You just spent 2 pages minimizing the effect Phil Knight had and now you are bringing up Phil Knight as to why you finally turned the corner? No fucking shit. We all covered this already.
Getting to be like revenge of the nerds around here.
Knight's important. But he isn't the only thing that makes the UO AD work. It's kind of like how LA has an economy outside of Hollywood and Arizona has an economy outside of meth. The biggest piece, sure, but far from the only one.
The only thing that can fuck us up now is us. Fortunately for you, we have a bean-counter in the AD role who might do just that. Unfortunately for you, UO is set to get something like $3-4BN from Uncle Phil's estate when he kicks the neon green bucket.
But enough about us. Tell me again why Woody is so awesome (the poont of this thread). Because he hired Peterman?
Not the case. There was the famous post-Cotton Bowl meeting between the Oregon AD, Mike Bellotti, and some big donors about what it would take for Oregon to become a consistent winner.
People at Oregon want to win, and they think they know the formula. There's some debate there, as part of the "Oregon way" is supposed to be "hire from within," which looks shaky with the Helfrich hire. Still, he deserves another season to win the conference and my confidence.
Overall, the results are pretty good, we don't have a single shitty varsity program at the university right now. Our weakest sport was women's basketball, but they fired the coach. We have one of the highest Directors' Cup scores with one of the lowest numbers of varsity sports in competition - so our guys are doing okay. I'm still not a Mullens fan however.
And just think, if Pat HadenFS hadn't hired Sark away, your fanbase would have been fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Armenian.
True but you can't get on those fans when it sounds like you were also fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Brooks either.
Huh? You just spent 2 pages minimizing the effect Phil Knight had and now you are bringing up Phil Knight as to why you finally turned the corner? No fucking shit. We all covered this already.
Getting to be like revenge of the nerds around here.
I don't care how we got Petersen, woody gets the credit 100%. Woody is the best AD since Lude by hiring CP and getting the Stadium done...both game changers. Best believe he has a plan for the hoops program knowing Romar is on the hot seat.
Nobody else was as good as Washington in the 1990's, but we were in the top tier of the "rest" (UCLA, UO, USC, ASU)Total wins are a terrible way to rank conference teams. UW gets four free wins this year but it doesn't mean UW's non conference performance will be better than Oregon's 2 non conference wins.
Here are the 90's standings by conference wins, the only thing that really matters:
Until Chip showed up Oregon was somewhat close to fading. He took the program to another level. Phil's money wasn't that instrumental for football. Belotti's performance was boosted because the conference sucked during much of his tenure.
Helfrich went 11-2 with perhaps the best roster in the country. How the fuck did he lose to Stanford and get manhandled when the same Stanford team barely beat UW? Then Oregon had a lackluster effort against Utah before getting plungered against Arizona and then barely beating a one dimensional Oregon St squad. He clearly lost the team after the Stanford game.
Helfrich is going to win enough to keep his job for a few years but Oregon has peaked for a long time. Their hire within thing will be fucked and they won't be able to find someone to match Petersen. They think they will be able to buy a great coach but getting a great coach is very tough. The Saban to Bama, Meyer to Florida type moves are rare. The Petersen to UW type moves are rare. Look at how many shitty coaches USC, UW, Miami, Oklahoma, UCLA, Alabama have hired in recent times. After Helfrich is shit canned in 3-4 years Oregon will have to hire a DeRuyter or Wilcox type and hope they evolve. A top 10 established coach is not going to jump ship for a 7-8 win program with limited historical tradition. Its just a fact. Coaches know Washington can be great because of a long history and dominant recruiting position. Oregon is great because of Chip Kelly, not because of Oregon's history or Oregon high school football.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Oregon is about to crash. They'll probably beat us this season and next. But their long-term trajectory is heading down. I'm talking about 5-10 years. The other thing is if they fall back out of the top 10 their recruiting will suffer because of their reliance on a national base. You aren't getting 4-5 star recruits from the south when you are no longer a top 5 program.
Again, the doogery in this thread is that you guys are talking about Oregon.
DNC- if I could have found an easy-to-use list of conference wins, I would have used it and probably not posted what I did. Touche.
@Go_OR_Ducks sez that Oregon leads the conference in small donations, and I believe him because that statement validates my Quookish worldview. Fuck off
Also, someone said that Woody is the best UW AD since Lude. Talk about damning with faint praise.
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And my final poont that you are Dooging it up in this thread is that my comment that Woody isn't one of the best ADs in the country ended up with you guys talking about Whoregon (lol!).
Washington: 82 wins
Arizona: 71 wins
UCLA: 70 wins
UO: 70 wins
USC: 69 wins
ASU: 63 wins
Stanford: 61 wins
Wazzu: 53 wins
Cal: 51 wins (Cal is too high)
Oregon State: 29 wins
Nobody else was as good as Washington in the 1990's, but we were in the top tier of the "rest" (UCLA, UO, USC, ASU)
Coming in 4th place is always special. But hey, at least it was fun.
He's right, you know.
True but you can't get on those fans when it sounds like you were also fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Brooks either.
UW used to have standards. Oregon, not so much.
People at Oregon want to win, and they think they know the formula. There's some debate there, as part of the "Oregon way" is supposed to be "hire from within," which looks shaky with the Helfrich hire. Still, he deserves another season to win the conference and my confidence.
Overall, the results are pretty good, we don't have a single shitty varsity program at the university right now. Our weakest sport was women's basketball, but they fired the coach. We have one of the highest Directors' Cup scores with one of the lowest numbers of varsity sports in competition - so our guys are doing okay. I'm still not a Mullens fan however. True but you can't get on those fans when it sounds like you were also fine with 4th place, world without end, until the end of fucking time with the lecherous Brooks either.
Huh? You just spent 2 pages minimizing the effect Phil Knight had and now you are bringing up Phil Knight as to why you finally turned the corner? No fucking shit. We all covered this already.
Getting to be like revenge of the nerds around here.
Knight's important. But he isn't the only thing that makes the UO AD work. It's kind of like how LA has an economy outside of Hollywood and Arizona has an economy outside of meth. The biggest piece, sure, but far from the only one.
The only thing that can fuck us up now is us. Fortunately for you, we have a bean-counter in the AD role who might do just that. Unfortunately for you, UO is set to get something like $3-4BN from Uncle Phil's estate when he kicks the neon green bucket.
But enough about us. Tell me again why Woody is so awesome (the poont of this thread). Because he hired Peterman?
Getting to be like revenge of the nerds around here.
Washington: 82 wins
Arizona: 71 wins
UCLA: 70 wins
UO: 70 wins
USC: 69 wins
ASU: 63 wins
Stanford: 61 wins
Wazzu: 53 wins
Cal: 51 wins (Cal is too high)
Oregon State: 29 wins
Nobody else was as good as Washington in the 1990's, but we were in the top tier of the "rest" (UCLA, UO, USC, ASU)
Is anyone else surprised to see AZ second? They had really good years in '93 and '98, but besides that made a few minor bowels.
So it's not a hijack, Uncle Phil defacto runs whOregon. This was obvious by the early 2000s. WIW. I can't wait until Oregon hits its 8-4 level again.
Washington: 82 wins
Arizona: 71 wins
UCLA: 70 wins
UO: 70 wins
USC: 69 wins
ASU: 63 wins
Stanford: 61 wins
Wazzu: 53 wins
Cal: 51 wins (Cal is too high)
Oregon State: 29 wins
Nobody else was as good as Washington in the 1990's, but we were in the top tier of the "rest" (UCLA, UO, USC, ASU)Total wins are a terrible way to rank conference teams. UW gets four free wins this year but it doesn't mean UW's non conference performance will be better than Oregon's 2 non conference wins.
Here are the 90's standings by conference wins, the only thing that really matters:
Washington: 58 (and 1 tie)
UCLA: 47
Arizona: 46 (and 1 tie)
USC: 45 (and 2 ties)
Arizona State: 44
Stanford: 42
Oregon: 41
Cal: 31 (and 1 tie)
WSU: 31
FO, G: 13 (and 1 tie)
7th place DUCKADE.
As it turns out, you actually were shit in the 90's.
hth
So you are saying Gary Crowton backed into Chip Kelly?
Or did he maximize where chance met opportunity?
I believe it was Chip Kelly who backed into him. And yes, he maximized the opportunity.
Until Chip showed up Oregon was somewhat close to fading. He took the program to another level. Phil's money wasn't that instrumental for football. Belotti's performance was boosted because the conference sucked during much of his tenure.
Helfrich went 11-2 with perhaps the best roster in the country. How the fuck did he lose to Stanford and get manhandled when the same Stanford team barely beat UW? Then Oregon had a lackluster effort against Utah before getting plungered against Arizona and then barely beating a one dimensional Oregon St squad. He clearly lost the team after the Stanford game.
Helfrich is going to win enough to keep his job for a few years but Oregon has peaked for a long time. Their hire within thing will be fucked and they won't be able to find someone to match Petersen. They think they will be able to buy a great coach but getting a great coach is very tough. The Saban to Bama, Meyer to Florida type moves are rare. The Petersen to UW type moves are rare. Look at how many shitty coaches USC, UW, Miami, Oklahoma, UCLA, Alabama have hired in recent times. After Helfrich is shit canned in 3-4 years Oregon will have to hire a DeRuyter or Wilcox type and hope they evolve. A top 10 established coach is not going to jump ship for a 7-8 win program with limited historical tradition. Its just a fact. Coaches know Washington can be great because of a long history and dominant recruiting position. Oregon is great because of Chip Kelly, not because of Oregon's history or Oregon high school football.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Oregon is about to crash. They'll probably beat us this season and next. But their long-term trajectory is heading down. I'm talking about 5-10 years. The other thing is if they fall back out of the top 10 their recruiting will suffer because of their reliance on a national base. You aren't getting 4-5 star recruits from the south when you are no longer a top 5 program.
DNC- if I could have found an easy-to-use list of conference wins, I would have used it and probably not posted what I did. Touche.
@Go_OR_Ducks sez that Oregon leads the conference in small donations, and I believe him because that statement validates my Quookish worldview. Fuck off
Also, someone said that Woody is the best UW AD since Lude. Talk about damning with faint praise.