The point here, for you dumb asses who can’t follow along, isn’t that Helfrich is a better recruiter than Petersen, it’s a discussion that Oregon recruits itself to a large extent because of Phil Knight/Nike. Cristobal did better than Helfrich because he’s better than Helfrich, but he gets to start on 2nd base Petersen didn’t blow the doors off a dumbshit like Helfrich because again, Helfrich starts on 2nd base.
The NFL shit is stupid. Petersen is a better coach and had better assistants. If Helfrich and Peterson have similar talent to work,with, of course Petersen is going to have better results.
First it was the Helfrich out-recruited Petersen. Then it was actually not Helfrich, but that Oregon recruits itself. Then, from 2016 - 2018 UW had higher per player recruiting rankings over Oregon which supposedly recruits itself (2016 - Helfrich, 2017 - Taggart, 2018 - Cristo) against a coach in Petersen who was notorious for not chasing star rankings and being very selective in offers.
The point here, for you dumb asses who can’t follow along, isn’t that Helfrich is a better recruiter than Petersen, it’s a discussion that Oregon recruits itself to a large extent because of Phil Knight/Nike. Cristobal did better than Helfrich because he’s better than Helfrich, but he gets to start on 2nd base Petersen didn’t blow the doors off a dumbshit like Helfrich because again, Helfrich starts on 2nd base.
The NFL shit is stupid. Petersen is a better coach and had better assistants. If Helfrich and Peterson have similar talent to work,with, of course Petersen is going to have better results.
First it was the Helfrich out-recruited Petersen. Then it was actually not Helfrich, but that Oregon recruits itself. Then, from 2016 - 2018 UW had higher per player recruiting rankings over Oregon which supposedly recruits itself (2016 - Helfrich, 2017 - Taggart, 2018 - Cristo) against a coach in Petersen who was notorious for not chasing star rankings and being very selective in offers.
JFC. Are fucking stupid? It was Oregon recruits itself and evidence is a shitty helfrich can out recruited Petersen for three years. You dumbfuck. Pay attention son.
Hey dumbshit, the highest ranked Petersen classes just went fucking 4-8. Dumbfuck. Coaching matters. And that’s irrelevant to my point. Which is, Oregon has a recruiting advantage and cristobal isn’t this mystical amazing recruiter that people have crowned his ass with.
This whole situation has been very entertaining. I am enjoying the schadenfreude. The beauty of college football is false hope and the misery of your neighbor outweighing your own.
I have been mostly neutral, as I know Cristobal is at best an average coach, but a good program CEO and excellent recruiter. He is very replaceable. The damage of having two coaches in a row go back to their ailing momma in Florida and the stability/recruiting damage that entails is obviously less than ideal. The odds of an upgrade and the odds of a program tanker are about equal, I’d say Oregon’s are slightly tilted to being more tank proof but that’s what Nebraska and Tennessee fans thought and they had nattys and stadiums with 100,000 people who cared.
This whole situation has been very entertaining. I am enjoying the schadenfreude. The beauty of college football is false hope and the misery of your neighbor outweighing your own.
I have been mostly neutral, as I know Cristobal is at best an average coach, but a good program CEO and excellent recruiter. He is very replaceable. The damage of having two coaches in a row go back to their ailing momma in Florida and the stability/recruiting damage that entails is obviously less than ideal. The odds of an upgrade and the odds of a program tanker are about equal, I’d say Oregon’s are slightly tilted to being more tank proof but that’s what Nebraska and Tennessee fans thought and they had nattys and stadiums with 100,000 people who cared.
Nah, oregon's little "resurgence" is over. UW will rule the north, USC the south.
This whole situation has been very entertaining. I am enjoying the schadenfreude. The beauty of college football is false hope and the misery of your neighbor outweighing your own.
I have been mostly neutral, as I know Cristobal is at best an average coach, but a good program CEO and excellent recruiter. He is very replaceable. The damage of having two coaches in a row go back to their ailing momma in Florida and the stability/recruiting damage that entails is obviously less than ideal. The odds of an upgrade and the odds of a program tanker are about equal, I’d say Oregon’s are slightly tilted to being more tank proof but that’s what Nebraska and Tennessee fans thought and they had nattys and stadiums with 100,000 people who cared.
Nah, oregon's little "resurgence" is over. UW will rule the north, USC the south.
You’re right, on both counts.
The only thing keeping Oregon football afloat was Mario Cristobal. The Pac-12 North has never been stronger and I fear for the future of Duck football.
I’m jealous of the power sharing agreement with USC. They must really respect Washington.
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone@chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
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Those aren’t all mine. Doogman 2.forever.
better get wilcox inked up before someone else does.
edit: has manny diaz even been fired yet?
Hey dumbshit, the highest ranked Petersen classes just went fucking 4-8. Dumbfuck. Coaching matters. And that’s irrelevant to my point. Which is, Oregon has a recruiting advantage and cristobal isn’t this mystical amazing recruiter that people have crowned his ass with.
Our reach is far and wide
He was already gone. All parties just move on at that point.
I have been mostly neutral, as I know Cristobal is at best an average coach, but a good program CEO and excellent recruiter. He is very replaceable. The damage of having two coaches in a row go back to their ailing momma in Florida and the stability/recruiting damage that entails is obviously less than ideal. The odds of an upgrade and the odds of a program tanker are about equal, I’d say Oregon’s are slightly tilted to being more tank proof but that’s what Nebraska and Tennessee fans thought and they had nattys and stadiums with 100,000 people who cared.
The only thing keeping Oregon football afloat was Mario Cristobal. The Pac-12 North has never been stronger and I fear for the future of Duck football.
I’m jealous of the power sharing agreement with USC. They must really respect Washington.
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...