Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
You're about the only Quook who hated MC before all this happened so I'll give you props for that.
oh come the fuck on
Okay the over/under is 5 of you
I remember sitting on a frienf's couch watching the Rose Bowl lamenting what a fucking shitty coach we? had. I called for him to be fired on this site after the Fresno game. Hell, I called for him to be fired last year after every game.
Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
Rick N., whom I've always liked btw, is a notorious Miami hater because his ass is still sore from 2001. I don't know about the other guy and DC.
I like the hire. He'll do well there IMO, which of course is not more important than anybody else's. I am, if nothing else, a man of the people and know my place.
At the end of the discussion he said “We all want to see Miami back on top, it’s good for college football.”
Yes, I'm sure Rick N. really wants that. I'm just sure of it. Just my opinion, which is no more important than anyone else'.
Saying someone hates us is kind of the definition of ooging…
Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
Rick N., whom I've always liked btw, is a notorious Miami hater because his ass is still sore from 2001. I don't know about the other guy and DC.
I like the hire. He'll do well there IMO, which of course is not more important than anybody else's. I am, if nothing else, a man of the people and know my place.
Don't follow the other conferences much but I saw Pitt and Wake in the ACC championship game? Holy shit. Clemson was down down and just lost their DC.
He's not going to fail there.
We all want to see Pittsburg back on top. It's good for college football.
Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
Rick N., whom I've always liked btw, is a notorious Miami hater because his ass is still sore from 2001. I don't know about the other guy and DC.
I like the hire. He'll do well there IMO, which of course is not more important than anybody else's. I am, if nothing else, a man of the people and know my place.
Don't follow the other conferences much but I saw Pitt and Wake in the ACC championship game? Holy shit. Clemson was down down and just lost their DC.
He's not going to fail there.
We all want to see Pittsburg back on top. It's good for college football.
Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
Rick N., whom I've always liked btw, is a notorious Miami hater because his ass is still sore from 2001. I don't know about the other guy and DC.
I like the hire. He'll do well there IMO, which of course is not more important than anybody else's. I am, if nothing else, a man of the people and know my place.
At the end of the discussion he said “We all want to see Miami back on top, it’s good for college football.”
Yes, I'm sure Rick N. really wants that. I'm just sure of it. Just my opinion, which is no more important than anyone else'.
Saying someone hates us is kind of the definition of ooging…
But also I really don’t care either way. He gone.
Thoughts and prayers.
We have established that you don't care either way Mike. Really, I got it. I don't really care either. I took a six month walk on the beach here recently. You no longer control the market on perspective.
Just my own, humble and relatively unimportant, opinion.
Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
Rick N., whom I've always liked btw, is a notorious Miami hater because his ass is still sore from 2001. I don't know about the other guy and DC.
I like the hire. He'll do well there IMO, which of course is not more important than anybody else's. I am, if nothing else, a man of the people and know my place.
Lest ye forget UW-Miami 2000. RIP Ken Dorothy
Not that my opinion is important.
FTFY
I thought the accusation was that I thought my opinion is more important than everybody else's. Is my opinion now not even enough to rate equivalent importance?
What part of being a Husky football fan has you still believing that we can have nice things?
There's a pretty good argument Cristobal is the second best coach Oregon ever had on a per season basis. I'm comfortable betting their next hire won't be top 2.
Uncle Phil is almost pushing up daisies. He'll go after a big time coach.
I don’t think Phil cares about football like he used to
I admittedly don't follow the Ducks closely other than when they lose their HFC, but it seems like more attention has been paid to mens and womens hoops. Probably easier to be successful in those sports.
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone@chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone@chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone@chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.
Depends on metric. Total points, sure, barely, because Oregon always took bigger classes. On a per player basis, UW's were higher rated. So, yes, UW can outrecruit Nike U. It's been done very recently.
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone@chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.
Depends on metric. Total points, sure, barely, because Oregon always took bigger classes. On a per player basis, UW's were higher rated. So, yes, UW can outrecruit Nike U. It's been done very recently.
Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
Rick N., whom I've always liked btw, is a notorious Miami hater because his ass is still sore from 2001. I don't know about the other guy and DC.
I like the hire. He'll do well there IMO, which of course is not more important than anybody else's. I am, if nothing else, a man of the people and know my place.
At the end of the discussion he said “We all want to see Miami back on top, it’s good for college football.”
Yes, I'm sure Rick N. really wants that. I'm just sure of it. Just my opinion, which is no more important than anyone else'.
Saying someone hates us is kind of the definition of ooging…
But also I really don’t care either way. He gone.
Thoughts and prayers.
We have established that you don't care either way Mike. Really, I got it. I don't really care either. I took a six month walk on the beach here recently. You no longer control the market on perspective.
Just my own, humble and relatively unimportant, opinion.
The point was I’m not going to argue weather or not Rick Neuweasel (lmfao) hates you. You can work that out for yourself with the other hooricanes.
As noted, he wasn’t the only one saying these things on the radio broadcast. If anything it was the main host leading the way and Rick agreeing.
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
I want to add that Wilcox can have a mediocre HC record and have the potential to be good elsewhere at the same time. Not mutually exclusive imo. If you disagree, that's fine. If you look at his stats and think they will carry onwards in his career, yeah, sure, not as bullish. I like to look at the grey area as well. This is just stupid banter, not a serious hardliner conviction. The way I see it, Cox has worked at Boise, Cal, Tennessee, UW, USC, Wisconsin, and Cal again. He comes from/has built quite a coaching tree and he's getting jobs for a reason. He's just under .500 as a first time HC at Cal, been hamstrung for a few years now, and he's 45 years old, younger than DeBoer. I don't think we can close the book on young Justin quite yet. I am more bullish on his prospects at Oregon vs some here and that's cool. He's not the best they can do but I don't think he's the worst. Gut feeling, nothing more.
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone@chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)
Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
Rick N., whom I've always liked btw, is a notorious Miami hater because his ass is still sore from 2001. I don't know about the other guy and DC.
I like the hire. He'll do well there IMO, which of course is not more important than anybody else's. I am, if nothing else, a man of the people and know my place.
Don't follow the other conferences much but I saw Pitt and Wake in the ACC championship game? Holy shit. Clemson was down down and just lost their DC.
He's not going to fail there.
We all want to see Pittsburg back on top. It's good for college football.
Pitt fans have been getting plungered on and off the field since the Marino era. They're rather relatable, hope our offense can score like theirs next year.
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone@chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone@chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.
As for the Great @MikeDamone@chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)
Might want to check the final rankings vs before recruiting is over.
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I know you have been around. Just intuitively does UW out recruiting Oregon pass the sniff test? It doesn’t because it didn’t happen
Your move.
You're looking at composite. When I posted composite rankings (Oregon finished 7th in Helfrich's last year) earlier you counted with 247 (Helfrich finished 5th his last year).
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But also I really don’t care either way. He gone.
Thoughts and prayers.
Just my own, humble and relatively unimportant, opinion.
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
As noted, he wasn’t the only one saying these things on the radio broadcast. If anything it was the main host leading the way and Rick agreeing.
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I want to add that Wilcox can have a mediocre HC record and have the potential to be good elsewhere at the same time. Not mutually exclusive imo. If you disagree, that's fine. If you look at his stats and think they will carry onwards in his career, yeah, sure, not as bullish. I like to look at the grey area as well. This is just stupid banter, not a serious hardliner conviction. The way I see it, Cox has worked at Boise, Cal, Tennessee, UW, USC, Wisconsin, and Cal again. He comes from/has built quite a coaching tree and he's getting jobs for a reason. He's just under .500 as a first time HC at Cal, been hamstrung for a few years now, and he's 45 years old, younger than DeBoer. I don't think we can close the book on young Justin quite yet. I am more bullish on his prospects at Oregon vs some here and that's cool. He's not the best they can do but I don't think he's the worst. Gut feeling, nothing more.
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Your move.
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I know you have been around. Just intuitively does UW out recruiting Oregon pass the sniff test? It doesn’t because it didn’t happen
Your move.
Pick a lane.