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OFFICIAL 2021- 22 Ski Season Thread

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  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,969 Founders Club
    I would love to know how this came about. Was he enlisted or did he volunteer? Obviously it's early - and Vail NEEDS TO FUCKING SHOW ME - but this seems like a fantastic first step.



    https://www.facebook.com/stevenspass/photos/a.118373430597/10158242058850598/




    Stevens Pass

    A Letter from the new Interim General Manager of Stevens Pass

    Stevens Pass Community,

    I am glad to be coming home, even if just temporarily, to support this period of transition at Stevens Pass.

    I grew up at Stevens Pass and my ski career started here, too. My three boys have grown up at this mountain and also call it home. I worked my way through the ranks for 20 years, ultimately leaving in 1999, having served as Director of Operations. Since then, I have been lucky enough to manage a number of amazing resorts across the western United States, gaining new insight and experience along the way. This includes time at Schweitzer Mountain in Idaho as GM, followed by moving to the Tahoe area in 2010, where I’ve held several senior operations roles at both Heavenly and Kirkwood. In 2016, I proudly became the GM of Kirkwood, and three years later, I began serving in my current role as GM at Heavenly.

    I understand how special Stevens Pass is. I also know many of you are frustrated – and we’ve heard you. I’m taking an interim GM assignment here to support operational improvement, work towards getting the mountain open as quickly and safely as possible, and to positively change your experience with us.

    Stevens Pass is a complex operation...it always has been. That means change will not happen overnight, but I am committed to securing both short-term wins and outlining a long-term roadmap of improvement. With that in mind, I am committed to communicating often, and with transparency.

    My history and passion may be relevant, but what really matters today is moving forward.

    I am excited to reconnect with friends from the past, and to make new ones on the hill. And most importantly, we want to see SPKA!

    See you on the mountain,

    Tom Fortune


  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,438 Founders Club
    pawz said:

    I would love to know how this came about. Was he enlisted or did he volunteer? Obviously it's early - and Vail NEEDS TO FUCKING SHOW ME - but this seems like a fantastic first step.



    https://www.facebook.com/stevenspass/photos/a.118373430597/10158242058850598/




    Stevens Pass

    A Letter from the new Interim General Manager of Stevens Pass

    Stevens Pass Community,

    I am glad to be coming home, even if just temporarily, to support this period of transition at Stevens Pass.

    I grew up at Stevens Pass and my ski career started here, too. My three boys have grown up at this mountain and also call it home. I worked my way through the ranks for 20 years, ultimately leaving in 1999, having served as Director of Operations. Since then, I have been lucky enough to manage a number of amazing resorts across the western United States, gaining new insight and experience along the way. This includes time at Schweitzer Mountain in Idaho as GM, followed by moving to the Tahoe area in 2010, where I’ve held several senior operations roles at both Heavenly and Kirkwood. In 2016, I proudly became the GM of Kirkwood, and three years later, I began serving in my current role as GM at Heavenly.

    I understand how special Stevens Pass is. I also know many of you are frustrated – and we’ve heard you. I’m taking an interim GM assignment here to support operational improvement, work towards getting the mountain open as quickly and safely as possible, and to positively change your experience with us.

    Stevens Pass is a complex operation...it always has been. That means change will not happen overnight, but I am committed to securing both short-term wins and outlining a long-term roadmap of improvement. With that in mind, I am committed to communicating often, and with transparency.

    My history and passion may be relevant, but what really matters today is moving forward.

    I am excited to reconnect with friends from the past, and to make new ones on the hill. And most importantly, we want to see SPKA!

    See you on the mountain,

    Tom Fortune


    The previous GM was a “sales and marketing” GM from Colorado. Not an ops guy. At Stevens more than anywhere you need an ops GM.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,237 Standard Supporter
    Stevens Pass. Lol.

    No seriously. That place has always been second rate among NW ski areas.

  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,969 Founders Club
    Blue bird days have been fun.

    Also exploring new terrain at Crystal.


  • rodmansragerodmansrage Member Posts: 6,269



    I will post a summary soon. Nothing is confidential.

    Seriously fuck Vail and fuck Altera. They are ruining skiing every where.

    There was no parking issue at Crystal pre Ikon pass BTW.

    https://www.parkrecord.com/opinion/columns/tom-clyde-this-is-the-year-we-broke-it/

    the parking at pcmr is a bitch but on the canyons village at park city mountain resort the canyons park west is basically you got to get there at 8am


    lines on the mountain arent bad though, not all the chairs are open, not sure if thats due to a lack of workers or vail being vail


    i know the pcmr lifties and vail avoided a strike, would have been a shitshow if that didnt happen.
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    pawz said:

    pawz said:

    I really have no words. I fucking knew better than to buy a season pass at Stevens. I did because hand full of friends that I normally ride with did too.

    The 30,000+ signature petition that is floating around to demand Vail refund season pass money, I'm like signature number 80. They won't do it I think, unless the State AG gets involved. Which he might. I hope.

    But most likely I lit $650 on fire.


    I still have my Ikon pass and enjoyed 2+ feet of new snow at Alpental on Wednesday. Wore me out, I don't have my legs under me yet.

    Sounds like with this storm that rolled through, nothing is open for the foreseable future (aka Sunday).

    Except Crystal. They rock.


    Fuck Vail.

    I hope the AG goes after Vail.

    I have a very close fren who was a Director at Stevens for many years.

    What they did to that place is criminal.
    I would love to hear any of the inside details you can share. And the ones you can't, PM @pawz.

    I will post a summary soon. Nothing is confidential.

    Seriously fuck Vail and fuck Altera. They are ruining skiing every where.

    There was no parking issue at Crystal pre Ikon pass BTW.

    https://www.parkrecord.com/opinion/columns/tom-clyde-this-is-the-year-we-broke-it/
    I don't begrudge Crystal's recent parking policies. It's simple supply and demand. The Seattle area has exploded in the last two decades and we have no new resorts to handle all of that extra capacity. Even less now that Stevens decided to sell the couch. It sucks, but this is where we are.

    The shittiest part of the massive corporatization of everything skiing is that despite all of the big pockets, no one is willing to make actual big capital investments. These fuckos need to lobby the USFS to open up some more land and develop another resort or two. This shit is only going to continue to get worse.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,998 Founders Club
    It's hard to imagine the Seattle folks not fighting more forest land for skiing in court for 30 years
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,438 Founders Club



    I will post a summary soon. Nothing is confidential.

    Seriously fuck Vail and fuck Altera. They are ruining skiing every where.

    There was no parking issue at Crystal pre Ikon pass BTW.

    https://www.parkrecord.com/opinion/columns/tom-clyde-this-is-the-year-we-broke-it/

    the parking at pcmr is a bitch but on the canyons village at park city mountain resort the canyons park west is basically you got to get there at 8am


    lines on the mountain arent bad though, not all the chairs are open, not sure if thats due to a lack of workers or vail being vail


    i know the pcmr lifties and vail avoided a strike, would have been a shitshow if that didnt happen.
    The funny thing about PCMR is that aside from Jupiter, the best skiing at the mountain is OG Park West. Fantastic, long north facing runs.

    The potential strike with Vail was ski patrol. Pretty crazy how shit those guys are paid in conjunction with the level of responsibility.

    When were you not seeing lines @rodmansrage ?
  • rodmansragerodmansrage Member Posts: 6,269


    The funny thing about PCMR is that aside from Jupiter, the best skiing at the mountain is OG Park West. Fantastic, long north facing runs.

    The potential strike with Vail was ski patrol. Pretty crazy how shit those guys are paid in conjunction with the level of responsibility.

    When were you not seeing lines @rodmansrage ?

    i was up there on sunday, maybe a few minutes in each line on both the pcmr and canyons side.

    the parking at pcmr is just shit, people were commenting on how bad it was but how short the wait lines.

    tbh, pcmr is probably more 'family friendly' or if you're on vacation and dont really know how to ski. canyons, more technical.

    i think staffing has been an issue, super condor lift hasnt been open much.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,438 Founders Club
    pawz said:

    Blue bird days have been fun.

    Also exploring new terrain at Crystal.


    Still one of the best views in the bidness. Just stunning.

    These Blue Bird days are shit as fuck if you ask me. I like Blue Bird days in the spring when the sun hits stuff early and softens things up. We've had like 2+ weeks straight of high pressure crap and the freeze/thaw cycle has left massive amounts of blue, death ice. I thought I was gonna get little piss killed last Sunday.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,438 Founders Club


    The funny thing about PCMR is that aside from Jupiter, the best skiing at the mountain is OG Park West. Fantastic, long north facing runs.

    The potential strike with Vail was ski patrol. Pretty crazy how shit those guys are paid in conjunction with the level of responsibility.

    When were you not seeing lines @rodmansrage ?

    i was up there on sunday, maybe a few minutes in each line on both the pcmr and canyons side.

    the parking at pcmr is just shit, people were commenting on how bad it was but how short the wait lines.

    tbh, pcmr is probably more 'family friendly' or if you're on vacation and dont really know how to ski. canyons, more technical.

    i think staffing has been an issue, super condor lift hasnt been open much.
    Yeah, I think Xmas week was when they got totally crushed.

    The Super Condor thing is a fucking joke. That's the best lift in Park City and to not have that open regularly is shit as fuck.
  • rodmansragerodmansrage Member Posts: 6,269


    The funny thing about PCMR is that aside from Jupiter, the best skiing at the mountain is OG Park West. Fantastic, long north facing runs.

    The potential strike with Vail was ski patrol. Pretty crazy how shit those guys are paid in conjunction with the level of responsibility.

    When were you not seeing lines @rodmansrage ?

    i was up there on sunday, maybe a few minutes in each line on both the pcmr and canyons side.

    the parking at pcmr is just shit, people were commenting on how bad it was but how short the wait lines.

    tbh, pcmr is probably more 'family friendly' or if you're on vacation and dont really know how to ski. canyons, more technical.

    i think staffing has been an issue, super condor lift hasnt been open much.
    Yeah, I think Xmas week was when they got totally crushed.

    The Super Condor thing is a fucking joke. That's the best lift in Park City and to not have that open regularly is shit as fuck.
    yeah it was that week. we always get out of town then cause its a shitshow in pc (moreso than usual) and our passes are blacked out.

    itll be interesting to see how that resort develops over the next 5 years. i think theres going to be one more condo/townhome project put in the canyons next to the silverado lodge. pcmr will be more of a shitshow if that development goes up where the parking lot is.

    as we say, should be chinteresting.
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,568

    It's hard to imagine the Seattle folks not fighting more forest land for skiing in court for 30 years

    Was on a ski date once and while waiting in a lift line I wondered aloud why Stevens didn't open up more of the hill for skiing. She looked at me like I'd just shot her dog or something.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,969 Founders Club

    It's hard to imagine the Seattle folks not fighting more forest land for skiing in court for 30 years

    Was on a ski date once and while waiting in a lift line I wondered aloud why Stevens didn't open up more of the hill for skiing. She looked at me like I'd just shot her dog or something.
    Hopefully you left her at the top of Nasty Gash (no pun intended) to find her own way down.
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 11,568
    pawz said:

    It's hard to imagine the Seattle folks not fighting more forest land for skiing in court for 30 years

    Was on a ski date once and while waiting in a lift line I wondered aloud why Stevens didn't open up more of the hill for skiing. She looked at me like I'd just shot her dog or something.
    Hopefully you left her at the top of Nasty Gash (no pun intended) to find her own way down.
    She was my ride home, but things ran their course pretty quickly after that day.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,969 Founders Club
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,438 Founders Club
    pawz said:



    Is that recent? Yella don't do tight trees in freeze/thaw cycle set up cement.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 20,969 Founders Club

    pawz said:



    Is that recent? Yella don't do tight trees in freeze/thaw cycle set up cement.
    Yes, this afternoon. After the thaw.

    Not great but I'll take it the first tim the backside has been open all year at Stevens. The variable conditions keep you on your toes, but just soft enough to not be miserable.

    Honestly it was fascinating to see Corona bowl this way. Riders have a way of pushing snow in different directions, causing different undulations. So in a way, today was pure terrain. I enjoyed despite the non-optimal snow.


    Looking forward to Monday after a scheduled refresh Sunday.

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