My wife quit work and stayed home to raise the kids. Wouldn't change that and I heartily recommend mom's at home. I don't want other people raising my kids! They could have turned out like HH or something.
I had to look up the definition of 'manspreading'.
Do the lesbos want to sit their with their vajajays exposed? Or are they pissed at men who like to let their junk breathe a little? I mean - I have no problem if women want do to that. Maybe it will air out the stank better.
They'll still be ugly lesbos but do what you want. Let my boys roam free though.
Too bad you guys built an economy where both people in a couple have to work.
Given Tim’s previous comments, blaming feminism for why he can’t get laid, I wouldn’t take much of what he has to say here seriously.
No they dont in most cases. It's a matter of whether couples want to struggle financially in order to have a stay at home parent.
My kids had a stay at home mom their whole childhood. We struggled financially the first 4-5 years because of this but learned how to survive. Maybe we didn't go on vacation and maybe we didn't have nice cars or own a home....but guess what....nobody else raised our kids either. Nobody else changed their diaper during the day or got to see them walk and talk first. My wife saw everything and was there for them at all times during day and I was there at night time when I got home from work. People have their priorities fucked up. They value positions and social standing and nice cars over family.
I made around 40k a year the first 3 years on average and about 70k on average the next three years.
40k single income family is lower class in seattle and 70k is lower middle class in seattle. I eventually made more but we lived on scraps for the first 5-6 years and it was all worth it
My kids are 18 and 21 and super sweet and kind and respectful. I'm not saying that kids can't be that way from homes that have both parents working or from single parent homes....I'm saying it happens more often when you have a loving parent there at all times to care for them and guide them especially when they are young.
When my kids both hit elementary school then their mom found a part time job during day.
Easy peasy.
I have no problem saying that couples who both decide to work full time in the first 5-6 years of their kids life are doing them a disservice
This last one is trying to create the best, cleanest, in a vacuum scenario for can millennial parents live a middle class life with kids on a single income and when they gets there, they says this.
Actually implementing this in real life would require very strong patience and discipline. This would mean virtually no eating at restaurants, international travel, or expensive purchases in general, including in years that are several years before actually having children in order to build up a substantial nest egg. It would require that they consistently be able to get raises that exceed inflation and not have any substantial period of unemployment. In other words, it would require substantial luck and willingness to pinch pennies for decades. But if you have a bachelor’s degree and run the table, the numbers do work.
No, for most of us it is not a choice between dual incomes and struggling a little bit. Even in your worthless, anecdotal life story, your wife still eventually got a part time job. It is a dual income economy if you want kids. That is what the numbers show.
She got the job mainly for adult interaction. By the time she got it I was making more money.
We lived in a 900 square foot home. We never went out. We didn't go on a vacation until they were 7 and 10. We never did anything expensive. We shopped at low income stores and got our clothes from garage sales in upper class neighborhoods.
We had one car and no financial help from anyone.
You can post all the links you want. I lived it in one of the richest cities on the face of this earth.
It can be extremely difficult for people to accept that a system that worked for them, that benefits them, doesn’t work.
I’m reminded of this photo
This was used by the right to prove that poor people could work their way up, that black people could make it in America. A singular example to disprove statistical fact. The American dream is more real in Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Germany, France, Slovenia, Canada, Japan, Australia, Malta, Ireland, Czechia, Singapore, UK, New Zealand, Estonia, Portugal, South Korea and Lithuania. And down here at 27th, in social mobility, is the United States of America. But that one lady made it so everything must be fine.
You worked hard, you sacrificed, you made it, no one is taking that away from you. Lots of people work hard, lots of people sacrifice, you’re not a special snowflake.
Pretty simple to make it in America. You can almost guarantee that you and your family will not end up living in poverty if you just do a few things. Don't drop out of high school. Don't have kids out of wedlock. Get a job, any job and keep it and don't leave that job until you have a better or equal paying job. Don't do drugs or commit crimes. Doing these very simple things will make it almost a certainty that you and your family will not live in poverty in America.
Now Kobe, tell us which of these you feel blacks aren't capable of?
My wife quit work and stayed home to raise the kids. Wouldn't change that and I heartily recommend mom's at home. I don't want other people raising my kids! They could have turned out like HH or something.
We still raise our kids, and it’s going to be easier to have more daytime interaction with them with the shift toward work from home. Both my parents worked and I was kind of a latchkey kid, but I played sports from the time I was 5 years old(soccer/baseball/football/basketball) and we did weekend activities starting at age 2(skiing/hiking/camping/fishing) . It’s really about daytime/school/activities during the week. They need to be involved in sports and ECs and those need to be prioritized over playing Xbox or watching TV. Same as it’s ever been.
Too bad you guys built an economy where both people in a couple have to work.
Given Tim’s previous comments, blaming feminism for why he can’t get laid, I wouldn’t take much of what he has to say here seriously.
If Dimocrats acted like they did in the 70s, I'd support them.
They don't. They sold out decades ago. Now it's all woke and feminist bullshit and carrying water for China and the one percent. Sad.
The woke shit stays. There’s bullshit like manspreading, science is white supremacy, black people cant be racist, there’s dumb shit for sure. And then you’ve got the libs painting BLM and rainbows on bombs we drop on kids. But one of our biggest concerns class reductionism. We do not believe that all oppression is a byproduct of class so racial justice, lgbtq rights, we’re not leaving those behind.
My experience with the left, and I mean Bernie/AOC and over, is most of the woke shit that gets amplified isn’t what we believe in but some of it is. If that’s a deal breaker, then that’s too bad. But we’ll always have room for you if you change your mind.
I think a lot more people are into stupid shit like manspreading than you think. I've had arguments with "friends" over that stuff. They take it very seriously because their Seattle feminist mommies told them to and how bad men are.
Maybe. At the very least I can say there are people on the left who call that shit stupid. It hasn’t been my experience that a lot of us take it seriously but I could definitely be wrong.
Too bad you guys built an economy where both people in a couple have to work.
Given Tim’s previous comments, blaming feminism for why he can’t get laid, I wouldn’t take much of what he has to say here seriously.
No they dont in most cases. It's a matter of whether couples want to struggle financially in order to have a stay at home parent.
My kids had a stay at home mom their whole childhood. We struggled financially the first 4-5 years because of this but learned how to survive. Maybe we didn't go on vacation and maybe we didn't have nice cars or own a home....but guess what....nobody else raised our kids either. Nobody else changed their diaper during the day or got to see them walk and talk first. My wife saw everything and was there for them at all times during day and I was there at night time when I got home from work. People have their priorities fucked up. They value positions and social standing and nice cars over family.
I made around 40k a year the first 3 years on average and about 70k on average the next three years.
40k single income family is lower class in seattle and 70k is lower middle class in seattle. I eventually made more but we lived on scraps for the first 5-6 years and it was all worth it
My kids are 18 and 21 and super sweet and kind and respectful. I'm not saying that kids can't be that way from homes that have both parents working or from single parent homes....I'm saying it happens more often when you have a loving parent there at all times to care for them and guide them especially when they are young.
When my kids both hit elementary school then their mom found a part time job during day.
Easy peasy.
I have no problem saying that couples who both decide to work full time in the first 5-6 years of their kids life are doing them a disservice
This last one is trying to create the best, cleanest, in a vacuum scenario for can millennial parents live a middle class life with kids on a single income and when they gets there, they says this.
Actually implementing this in real life would require very strong patience and discipline. This would mean virtually no eating at restaurants, international travel, or expensive purchases in general, including in years that are several years before actually having children in order to build up a substantial nest egg. It would require that they consistently be able to get raises that exceed inflation and not have any substantial period of unemployment. In other words, it would require substantial luck and willingness to pinch pennies for decades. But if you have a bachelor’s degree and run the table, the numbers do work.
No, for most of us it is not a choice between dual incomes and struggling a little bit. Even in your worthless, anecdotal life story, your wife still eventually got a part time job. It is a dual income economy if you want kids. That is what the numbers show.
She got the job mainly for adult interaction. By the time she got it I was making more money.
We lived in a 900 square foot home. We never went out. We didn't go on a vacation until they were 7 and 10. We never did anything expensive. We shopped at low income stores and got our clothes from garage sales in upper class neighborhoods.
We had one car and no financial help from anyone.
You can post all the links you want. I lived it in one of the richest cities on the face of this earth.
It can be extremely difficult for people to accept that a system that worked for them, that benefits them, doesn’t work.
I’m reminded of this photo
This was used by the right to prove that poor people could work their way up, that black people could make it in America. A singular example to disprove statistical fact. The American dream is more real in Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Germany, France, Slovenia, Canada, Japan, Australia, Malta, Ireland, Czechia, Singapore, UK, New Zealand, Estonia, Portugal, South Korea and Lithuania. And down here at 27th, in social mobility, is the United States of America. But that one lady made it so everything must be fine.
You worked hard, you sacrificed, you made it, no one is taking that away from you. Lots of people work hard, lots of people sacrifice, you’re not a special snowflake.
You make zero sense btw Keep at it
Of course I'm not special. We just did what was necessary to have a stay at home parent.
That meant living a lower class lifestyle for many years. Other families can do it as well but most get tired of sacrificing or simply dont want to make the sacrifice.
Stop making excuses for those who refuse to sacrifice in order to have a stay at home parent.
If people dont want to be one than fine....but stop making excuses for those that say thay can't afford it. Most can but most aren't willing to make the necessary changes or take the necessary actions to make it happen
Excuse making and enabling are not good traits to have
Here’s the thing that shit-ass millennials and Gen Zers need to get through their heads.
When you’re young, you’re poor and you’re expected to work your ass off in order to succeed and eventually provide for a family. Not everyone makes it. Not everyone is talented, or organized, or driven, or intelligent enough to reach the kinds of success that capitalism and the American way of life can produce.
That said, the opportunity exists, and instead of whining and bitching like little children over free healthcare and debt forgiveness, it would benefit everyone if these people in TKS’ demo would simply shut the fuck up, pick up a lunch box, and go out and try to do something besides waxing philosophical on Twitter for a change.
We all had to do it. There’s no fucking earthly reason why you shouldn’t, at our expense. Every generation in the history of the American experience has had to have the come to Jesus talk from those prior, but it seems very apparent you’ve taken the intellectually dishonest pandering by leftist media too seriously, and, instead of that sentinel talk from your parents leading toward work ethic, innovation, and new industry, it’s led to “Ok, Boomer” while you hold up your selfie stick for the Instagram post that you hope leads toward a “career” as an influencer or whatever.
So, fuck your debt forgiveness and your free healthcare, and your universal basic income, and your green new deal. Go get a job and do some fucking work. We are wholly uninterested in sacrificing decades of labor and sacrifice so that you don’t have to pay off your degrees in sociology or art history.
HTH
I’m sure that felt really good to write but facts don’t care about your feelings.
Millennials have 5% of the wealth in this country, at the same point boomers had 21%. We did not all go through this. But yeah man it’s about selfie sticks and avocado toast. We are wholly uninterested in taking advice from two generations that were handed great economy’s and ran them into the ground.
Too bad you guys built an economy where both people in a couple have to work.
Given Tim’s previous comments, blaming feminism for why he can’t get laid, I wouldn’t take much of what he has to say here seriously.
No they dont in most cases. It's a matter of whether couples want to struggle financially in order to have a stay at home parent.
My kids had a stay at home mom their whole childhood. We struggled financially the first 4-5 years because of this but learned how to survive. Maybe we didn't go on vacation and maybe we didn't have nice cars or own a home....but guess what....nobody else raised our kids either. Nobody else changed their diaper during the day or got to see them walk and talk first. My wife saw everything and was there for them at all times during day and I was there at night time when I got home from work. People have their priorities fucked up. They value positions and social standing and nice cars over family.
I made around 40k a year the first 3 years on average and about 70k on average the next three years.
40k single income family is lower class in seattle and 70k is lower middle class in seattle. I eventually made more but we lived on scraps for the first 5-6 years and it was all worth it
My kids are 18 and 21 and super sweet and kind and respectful. I'm not saying that kids can't be that way from homes that have both parents working or from single parent homes....I'm saying it happens more often when you have a loving parent there at all times to care for them and guide them especially when they are young.
When my kids both hit elementary school then their mom found a part time job during day.
Easy peasy.
I have no problem saying that couples who both decide to work full time in the first 5-6 years of their kids life are doing them a disservice
This last one is trying to create the best, cleanest, in a vacuum scenario for can millennial parents live a middle class life with kids on a single income and when they gets there, they says this.
Actually implementing this in real life would require very strong patience and discipline. This would mean virtually no eating at restaurants, international travel, or expensive purchases in general, including in years that are several years before actually having children in order to build up a substantial nest egg. It would require that they consistently be able to get raises that exceed inflation and not have any substantial period of unemployment. In other words, it would require substantial luck and willingness to pinch pennies for decades. But if you have a bachelor’s degree and run the table, the numbers do work.
No, for most of us it is not a choice between dual incomes and struggling a little bit. Even in your worthless, anecdotal life story, your wife still eventually got a part time job. It is a dual income economy if you want kids. That is what the numbers show.
She got the job mainly for adult interaction. By the time she got it I was making more money.
We lived in a 900 square foot home. We never went out. We didn't go on a vacation until they were 7 and 10. We never did anything expensive. We shopped at low income stores and got our clothes from garage sales in upper class neighborhoods.
We had one car and no financial help from anyone.
You can post all the links you want. I lived it in one of the richest cities on the face of this earth.
It can be extremely difficult for people to accept that a system that worked for them, that benefits them, doesn’t work.
I’m reminded of this photo
This was used by the right to prove that poor people could work their way up, that black people could make it in America. A singular example to disprove statistical fact. The American dream is more real in Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Germany, France, Slovenia, Canada, Japan, Australia, Malta, Ireland, Czechia, Singapore, UK, New Zealand, Estonia, Portugal, South Korea and Lithuania. And down here at 27th, in social mobility, is the United States of America. But that one lady made it so everything must be fine.
You worked hard, you sacrificed, you made it, no one is taking that away from you. Lots of people work hard, lots of people sacrifice, you’re not a special snowflake.
You make zero sense btw Keep at it
Of course I'm not special. We just did what was necessary to have a stay at home parent.
That meant living a lower class lifestyle for many years. Other families can do it as well but most get tired of sacrificing or simply dont want to make the sacrifice.
Stop making excuses for those who refuse to sacrifice in order to have a stay at home parent.
If people dont want to be one than fine....but stop making excuses for those that say thay can't afford it. Most can but most aren't willing to make the necessary changes or take the necessary actions to make it happen
Excuse making and enabling are not good traits to have
You know what is amazing about America? We have the choice to raise our children in whatever and however manner we see fits for our respective family.
So if mom-stay-at-home worked for your family and values, that's great. Personally, I'd have feared for my kids lives if v1.0/Mom and v2.0/Mom would have been with the littles 24/7 - they had other skills and talents that needed to be exercised in order for them to be the best mom they could be.
If stay at home works, cool. If it doesn't, that's cool too. Both can produce good kids, if managed properly - and both can produce some real fucked up children as well .
Raising kids is a crap shoot, no matter what you do.
Here’s the thing that shit-ass millennials and Gen Zers need to get through their heads.
When you’re young, you’re poor and you’re expected to work your ass off in order to succeed and eventually provide for a family. Not everyone makes it. Not everyone is talented, or organized, or driven, or intelligent enough to reach the kinds of success that capitalism and the American way of life can produce.
That said, the opportunity exists, and instead of whining and bitching like little children over free healthcare and debt forgiveness, it would benefit everyone if these people in TKS’ demo would simply shut the fuck up, pick up a lunch box, and go out and try to do something besides waxing philosophical on Twitter for a change.
We all had to do it. There’s no fucking earthly reason why you shouldn’t, at our expense. Every generation in the history of the American experience has had to have the come to Jesus talk from those prior, but it seems very apparent you’ve taken the intellectually dishonest pandering by leftist media too seriously, and, instead of that sentinel talk from your parents leading toward work ethic, innovation, and new industry, it’s led to “Ok, Boomer” while you hold up your selfie stick for the Instagram post that you hope leads toward a “career” as an influencer or whatever.
So, fuck your debt forgiveness and your free healthcare, and your universal basic income, and your green new deal. Go get a job and do some fucking work. We are wholly uninterested in sacrificing decades of labor and sacrifice so that you don’t have to pay off your degrees in sociology or art history.
HTH
I’m sure that felt really good to write but facts don’t care about your feelings.
Millennials have 5% of the wealth in this country, at the same point boomers had 21%. We did not all go through this. But yeah man it’s about selfie sticks and avocado toast. We are wholly uninterested in taking advice from two generations that were handed great economy’s and ran them into the ground.
Yet here you are with your hand out like a 6 year old, crying gimme gimme gimme. How old are you? Where did you go to school again? What degree program? What do you do for work?
Why can’t you get your own health insurance? Why do you need someone else to pay your student loans? Why do you need the government to provide you with an income?
We never asked for any of that shit. What makes you so fucking special?
Here’s the thing that shit-ass millennials and Gen Zers need to get through their heads.
When you’re young, you’re poor and you’re expected to work your ass off in order to succeed and eventually provide for a family. Not everyone makes it. Not everyone is talented, or organized, or driven, or intelligent enough to reach the kinds of success that capitalism and the American way of life can produce.
That said, the opportunity exists, and instead of whining and bitching like little children over free healthcare and debt forgiveness, it would benefit everyone if these people in TKS’ demo would simply shut the fuck up, pick up a lunch box, and go out and try to do something besides waxing philosophical on Twitter for a change.
We all had to do it. There’s no fucking earthly reason why you shouldn’t, at our expense. Every generation in the history of the American experience has had to have the come to Jesus talk from those prior, but it seems very apparent you’ve taken the intellectually dishonest pandering by leftist media too seriously, and, instead of that sentinel talk from your parents leading toward work ethic, innovation, and new industry, it’s led to “Ok, Boomer” while you hold up your selfie stick for the Instagram post that you hope leads toward a “career” as an influencer or whatever.
So, fuck your debt forgiveness and your free healthcare, and your universal basic income, and your green new deal. Go get a job and do some fucking work. We are wholly uninterested in sacrificing decades of labor and sacrifice so that you don’t have to pay off your degrees in sociology or art history.
HTH
I’m sure that felt really good to write but facts don’t care about your feelings.
Millennials have 5% of the wealth in this country, at the same point boomers had 21%. We did not all go through this. But yeah man it’s about selfie sticks and avocado toast. We are wholly uninterested in taking advice from two generations that were handed great economy’s and ran them into the ground.
Recessions are part of the economy. How bad they are and how long they last are policy decisions. And love to get you to expand how the "boomers" ran two economies into the ground but we both know you can't.
1. This belongs on the Finance board. I'll reprise it in slightly shinier wrapping at a later date.
2. My wife stayed home. Can't say if they were better for that reason, or by reason of their superior swarthy genetics (Charles Murray's opinions notwithstanding). I will say this: I have three girls, and they are fucking educated and I have advised them to (1) have a career and (2) live near their mother.
I'll amplify my rationale for #2. First, nobody will take care of those babies better than my wife, and it will be free, and it will free me to go fuck around and do whatever I want because my wife will be blissfully unaware and give no fucks about what I am doing. Second, the odds of marrying an asshole or loser can be greatly reduced based on where you meet him. Both of my girls in serious relationships (one of them is married) met Mr. Wonderful in college. Good. Slightly better odds than in HS or a fucking bar. The third one is dating a guy she met in grad school. Even better. But even with superior breeding and social engineering, there are still decent odds you are going to marry the wrong person. People change, and frankly, nobody really knows anybody until they've seen them react in the trenches.
The problem with this little trip down reactionary lane with you well-intentioned gentlemen is this: the world in which women stayed home was also a world in which they had little power and influence and were beholden to the men in their lives for the basics of food and shelter, much less a "good life." Next to zero autonomy. Creep's kids will be self-sufficient well into the financial zone of wealth building where Eddie Murphy's "Half!!!!!!!" actually means something.
But if you want to raise your daughters with that vulnerability, like the Mormons do, go right ahead. We? won't protest.
Boom. You nailed the plan. It's the secret for raising good kids. My wife and I did same thing. I just wasn't quite as impoverished as you, lol. Wife works now just to have something to do. Kids 24, 21. Damn near perfect kids.
Too bad you guys built an economy where both people in a couple have to work.
Given Tim’s previous comments, blaming feminism for why he can’t get laid, I wouldn’t take much of what he has to say here seriously.
No they dont in most cases. It's a matter of whether couples want to struggle financially in order to have a stay at home parent.
My kids had a stay at home mom their whole childhood. We struggled financially the first 4-5 years because of this but learned how to survive. Maybe we didn't go on vacation and maybe we didn't have nice cars or own a home....but guess what....nobody else raised our kids either. Nobody else changed their diaper during the day or got to see them walk and talk first. My wife saw everything and was there for them at all times during day and I was there at night time when I got home from work. People have their priorities fucked up. They value positions and social standing and nice cars over family.
I made around 40k a year the first 3 years on average and about 70k on average the next three years.
40k single income family is lower class in seattle and 70k is lower middle class in seattle. I eventually made more but we lived on scraps for the first 5-6 years and it was all worth it
My kids are 18 and 21 and super sweet and kind and respectful. I'm not saying that kids can't be that way from homes that have both parents working or from single parent homes....I'm saying it happens more often when you have a loving parent there at all times to care for them and guide them especially when they are young.
When my kids both hit elementary school then their mom found a part time job during day.
Easy peasy.
I have no problem saying that couples who both decide to work full time in the first 5-6 years of their kids life are doing them a disservice
1. This belongs on the Finance board. I'll reprise it in slightly shinier wrapping at a later date.
2. My wife stayed home. Can't say if they were better for that reason, or by reason of their superior swarthy genetics (Charles Murray's opinions notwithstanding). I will say this: I have three girls, and they are fucking educated and I have advised them to (1) have a career and (2) live near their mother.
I'll amplify my rationale for #2. First, nobody will take care of those babies better than my wife, and it will be free, and it will free me to go fuck around and do whatever I want because my wife will be blissfully unaware and give no fucks about what I am doing. Second, the odds of marrying an asshole or loser can be greatly reduced based on where you meet him. Both of my girls in serious relationships (one of them is married) met Mr. Wonderful in college. Good. Slightly better odds than in HS or a fucking bar. The third one is dating a guy she met in grad school. Even better. But even with superior breeding and social engineering, there are still decent odds you are going to marry the wrong person. People change, and frankly, nobody really knows anybody until they've seen them react in the trenches.
The problem with this little trip down reactionary lane with you well-intentioned gentlemen is this: the world in which women stayed home was also a world in which they had little power and influence and were beholden to the men in their lives for the basics of food and shelter, much less a "good life." Next to zero autonomy. Creep's kids will be self-sufficient well into the financial zone of wealth building where Eddie Murphy's "Half!!!!!!!" actually means something.
But if you want to raise your daughters with that vulnerability, like the Mormons do, go right ahead. We? won't protest.
So your wife stayed home but its a trip down reactionary lane for others to point out the benefits of it
Too bad you guys built an economy where both people in a couple have to work.
Given Tim’s previous comments, blaming feminism for why he can’t get laid, I wouldn’t take much of what he has to say here seriously.
No they dont in most cases. It's a matter of whether couples want to struggle financially in order to have a stay at home parent.
My kids had a stay at home mom their whole childhood. We struggled financially the first 4-5 years because of this but learned how to survive. Maybe we didn't go on vacation and maybe we didn't have nice cars or own a home....but guess what....nobody else raised our kids either. Nobody else changed their diaper during the day or got to see them walk and talk first. My wife saw everything and was there for them at all times during day and I was there at night time when I got home from work. People have their priorities fucked up. They value positions and social standing and nice cars over family.
I made around 40k a year the first 3 years on average and about 70k on average the next three years.
40k single income family is lower class in seattle and 70k is lower middle class in seattle. I eventually made more but we lived on scraps for the first 5-6 years and it was all worth it
My kids are 18 and 21 and super sweet and kind and respectful. I'm not saying that kids can't be that way from homes that have both parents working or from single parent homes....I'm saying it happens more often when you have a loving parent there at all times to care for them and guide them especially when they are young.
When my kids both hit elementary school then their mom found a part time job during day.
Easy peasy.
I have no problem saying that couples who both decide to work full time in the first 5-6 years of their kids life are doing them a disservice
This last one is trying to create the best, cleanest, in a vacuum scenario for can millennial parents live a middle class life with kids on a single income and when they gets there, they says this.
Actually implementing this in real life would require very strong patience and discipline. This would mean virtually no eating at restaurants, international travel, or expensive purchases in general, including in years that are several years before actually having children in order to build up a substantial nest egg. It would require that they consistently be able to get raises that exceed inflation and not have any substantial period of unemployment. In other words, it would require substantial luck and willingness to pinch pennies for decades. But if you have a bachelor’s degree and run the table, the numbers do work.
No, for most of us it is not a choice between dual incomes and struggling a little bit. Even in your worthless, anecdotal life story, your wife still eventually got a part time job. It is a dual income economy if you want kids. That is what the numbers show.
She got the job mainly for adult interaction. By the time she got it I was making more money.
We lived in a 900 square foot home. We never went out. We didn't go on a vacation until they were 7 and 10. We never did anything expensive. We shopped at low income stores and got our clothes from garage sales in upper class neighborhoods.
We had one car and no financial help from anyone.
You can post all the links you want. I lived it in one of the richest cities on the face of this earth.
Here’s the thing that shit-ass millennials and Gen Zers need to get through their heads.
When you’re young, you’re poor and you’re expected to work your ass off in order to succeed and eventually provide for a family. Not everyone makes it. Not everyone is talented, or organized, or driven, or intelligent enough to reach the kinds of success that capitalism and the American way of life can produce.
That said, the opportunity exists, and instead of whining and bitching like little children over free healthcare and debt forgiveness, it would benefit everyone if these people in TKS’ demo would simply shut the fuck up, pick up a lunch box, and go out and try to do something besides waxing philosophical on Twitter for a change.
We all had to do it. There’s no fucking earthly reason why you shouldn’t, at our expense. Every generation in the history of the American experience has had to have the come to Jesus talk from those prior, but it seems very apparent you’ve taken the intellectually dishonest pandering by leftist media too seriously, and, instead of that sentinel talk from your parents leading toward work ethic, innovation, and new industry, it’s led to “Ok, Boomer” while you hold up your selfie stick for the Instagram post that you hope leads toward a “career” as an influencer or whatever.
So, fuck your debt forgiveness and your free healthcare, and your universal basic income, and your green new deal. Go get a job and do some fucking work. We are wholly uninterested in sacrificing decades of labor and sacrifice so that you don’t have to pay off your degrees in sociology or art history.
HTH
I’m sure that felt really good to write but facts don’t care about your feelings.
Millennials have 5% of the wealth in this country, at the same point boomers had 21%. We did not all go through this. But yeah man it’s about selfie sticks and avocado toast. We are wholly uninterested in taking advice from two generations that were handed great economy’s and ran them into the ground.
Yet here you are with your hand out like a 6 year old, crying gimme gimme gimme. How old are you? Where did you go to school again? What degree program? What do you do for work?
Why can’t you get your own health insurance? Why do you need someone else to pay your student loans? Why do you need the government to provide you with an income?
We never asked for any of that shit. What makes you so fucking special?
But, but other people have more money than he does and it's not fair.
Too bad you guys built an economy where both people in a couple have to work.
Given Tim’s previous comments, blaming feminism for why he can’t get laid, I wouldn’t take much of what he has to say here seriously.
No they dont in most cases. It's a matter of whether couples want to struggle financially in order to have a stay at home parent.
My kids had a stay at home mom their whole childhood. We struggled financially the first 4-5 years because of this but learned how to survive. Maybe we didn't go on vacation and maybe we didn't have nice cars or own a home....but guess what....nobody else raised our kids either. Nobody else changed their diaper during the day or got to see them walk and talk first. My wife saw everything and was there for them at all times during day and I was there at night time when I got home from work. People have their priorities fucked up. They value positions and social standing and nice cars over family.
I made around 40k a year the first 3 years on average and about 70k on average the next three years.
40k single income family is lower class in seattle and 70k is lower middle class in seattle. I eventually made more but we lived on scraps for the first 5-6 years and it was all worth it
My kids are 18 and 21 and super sweet and kind and respectful. I'm not saying that kids can't be that way from homes that have both parents working or from single parent homes....I'm saying it happens more often when you have a loving parent there at all times to care for them and guide them especially when they are young.
When my kids both hit elementary school then their mom found a part time job during day.
Easy peasy.
I have no problem saying that couples who both decide to work full time in the first 5-6 years of their kids life are doing them a disservice
This last one is trying to create the best, cleanest, in a vacuum scenario for can millennial parents live a middle class life with kids on a single income and when they gets there, they says this.
Actually implementing this in real life would require very strong patience and discipline. This would mean virtually no eating at restaurants, international travel, or expensive purchases in general, including in years that are several years before actually having children in order to build up a substantial nest egg. It would require that they consistently be able to get raises that exceed inflation and not have any substantial period of unemployment. In other words, it would require substantial luck and willingness to pinch pennies for decades. But if you have a bachelor’s degree and run the table, the numbers do work.
No, for most of us it is not a choice between dual incomes and struggling a little bit. Even in your worthless, anecdotal life story, your wife still eventually got a part time job. It is a dual income economy if you want kids. That is what the numbers show.
She got the job mainly for adult interaction. By the time she got it I was making more money.
We lived in a 900 square foot home. We never went out. We didn't go on a vacation until they were 7 and 10. We never did anything expensive. We shopped at low income stores and got our clothes from garage sales in upper class neighborhoods.
We had one car and no financial help from anyone.
You can post all the links you want. I lived it in one of the richest cities on the face of this earth.
It can be extremely difficult for people to accept that a system that worked for them, that benefits them, doesn’t work.
I’m reminded of this photo
This was used by the right to prove that poor people could work their way up, that black people could make it in America. A singular example to disprove statistical fact. The American dream is more real in Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Germany, France, Slovenia, Canada, Japan, Australia, Malta, Ireland, Czechia, Singapore, UK, New Zealand, Estonia, Portugal, South Korea and Lithuania. And down here at 27th, in social mobility, is the United States of America. But that one lady made it so everything must be fine.
You worked hard, you sacrificed, you made it, no one is taking that away from you. Lots of people work hard, lots of people sacrifice, you’re not a special snowflake.
You are so full of crap, man. Open your F'ing eyes.
My wife quit work and stayed home to raise the kids. Wouldn't change that and I heartily recommend mom's at home. I don't want other people raising my kids! They could have turned out like HH or something.
We still raise our kids, and it’s going to be easier to have more daytime interaction with them with the shift toward work from home. Both my parents worked and I was kind of a latchkey kid, but I played sports from the time I was 5 years old(soccer/baseball/football/basketball) and we did weekend activities starting at age 2(skiing/hiking/camping/fishing) . It’s really about daytime/school/activities during the week. They need to be involved in sports and ECs and those need to be prioritized over playing Xbox or watching TV. Same as it’s ever been.
You played soccer? Damn. Sorry.
And, no offense, but one of my screening questions for all male suitors of Creepy's brood of beauties is whether they were latchkey kids growing up. Many were turned away on that basis alone.
Here’s the thing that shit-ass millennials and Gen Zers need to get through their heads.
When you’re young, you’re poor and you’re expected to work your ass off in order to succeed and eventually provide for a family. Not everyone makes it. Not everyone is talented, or organized, or driven, or intelligent enough to reach the kinds of success that capitalism and the American way of life can produce.
That said, the opportunity exists, and instead of whining and bitching like little children over free healthcare and debt forgiveness, it would benefit everyone if these people in TKS’ demo would simply shut the fuck up, pick up a lunch box, and go out and try to do something besides waxing philosophical on Twitter for a change.
We all had to do it. There’s no fucking earthly reason why you shouldn’t, at our expense. Every generation in the history of the American experience has had to have the come to Jesus talk from those prior, but it seems very apparent you’ve taken the intellectually dishonest pandering by leftist media too seriously, and, instead of that sentinel talk from your parents leading toward work ethic, innovation, and new industry, it’s led to “Ok, Boomer” while you hold up your selfie stick for the Instagram post that you hope leads toward a “career” as an influencer or whatever.
So, fuck your debt forgiveness and your free healthcare, and your universal basic income, and your green new deal. Go get a job and do some fucking work. We are wholly uninterested in sacrificing decades of labor and sacrifice so that you don’t have to pay off your degrees in sociology or art history.
HTH
I’m sure that felt really good to write but facts don’t care about your feelings.
Millennials have 5% of the wealth in this country, at the same point boomers had 21%. We did not all go through this. But yeah man it’s about selfie sticks and avocado toast. We are wholly uninterested in taking advice from two generations that were handed great economy’s and ran them into the ground.
Yet here you are with your hand out like a 6 year old, crying gimme gimme gimme. How old are you? Where did you go to school again? What degree program? What do you do for work?
Why can’t you get your own health insurance? Why do you need someone else to pay your student loans? Why do you need the government to provide you with an income?
We never asked for any of that shit. What makes you so fucking special?
Medicare For All and cancelling student debt will not benefit me at all. My choice to support those policies is based on what will most benefit the people and economy of this country, both in the short term and the long term.
You didn’t ask for any of that shit because you didn’t have to.
1. This belongs on the Finance board. I'll reprise it in slightly shinier wrapping at a later date.
2. My wife stayed home. Can't say if they were better for that reason, or by reason of their superior swarthy genetics (Charles Murray's opinions notwithstanding). I will say this: I have three girls, and they are fucking educated and I have advised them to (1) have a career and (2) live near their mother.
I'll amplify my rationale for #2. First, nobody will take care of those babies better than my wife, and it will be free, and it will free me to go fuck around and do whatever I want because my wife will be blissfully unaware and give no fucks about what I am doing. Second, the odds of marrying an asshole or loser can be greatly reduced based on where you meet him. Both of my girls in serious relationships (one of them is married) met Mr. Wonderful in college. Good. Slightly better odds than in HS or a fucking bar. The third one is dating a guy she met in grad school. Even better. But even with superior breeding and social engineering, there are still decent odds you are going to marry the wrong person. People change, and frankly, nobody really knows anybody until they've seen them react in the trenches.
The problem with this little trip down reactionary lane with you well-intentioned gentlemen is this: the world in which women stayed home was also a world in which they had little power and influence and were beholden to the men in their lives for the basics of food and shelter, much less a "good life." Next to zero autonomy. Creep's kids will be self-sufficient well into the financial zone of wealth building where Eddie Murphy's "Half!!!!!!!" actually means something.
But if you want to raise your daughters with that vulnerability, like the Mormons do, go right ahead. We? won't protest.
So your wife stayed home but its a trip down reactionary lane for others to point out the benefits of it
That weak shit don't fly here
It's heavy shit Boomer. It is, in fact, a trip down reactionary lane because it is a trip down reactionary lane. That it is what it is is not something for which to take issue with me. It's not my trip; I didn't book it.*
I'm just pointing out the downside. A guy your age ought to have piles of anecdotes of women you knew who had to slug it out in a miserable existence at home because it turns out dropping out of the work force for 20 years makes it kinda hard to be on your own economically. You see, I love my kids.
As to the merits, I hear ya. Mrs. Creep stayed home and my kids are damn near perfect. But the next generation of Creepy Super Zips are going to be even more better off. Grandma Creepy will watch the kids during the day, read them Shakespeare and play classical music all day, and when he feels like it, Grampa Creepy will teach them to golf. AND, my daughters will always be in a position to tell their husbands to go fuck off if they ever get fat and/or lazy and/or otherwise not meet our high standards.
*This is why the Finance board would do better with this. We? don't take things so personally. You guys get hysterical any time Kobe the Lib posts anything.
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Do the lesbos want to sit their with their vajajays exposed? Or are they pissed at men who like to let their junk breathe a little? I mean - I have no problem if women want do to that. Maybe it will air out the stank better.
They'll still be ugly lesbos but do what you want. Let my boys roam free though.
Now Kobe, tell us which of these you feel blacks aren't capable of?
Keep at it
Of course I'm not special. We just did what was necessary to have a stay at home parent.
That meant living a lower class lifestyle for many years. Other families can do it as well but most get tired of sacrificing or simply dont want to make the sacrifice.
Stop making excuses for those who refuse to sacrifice in order to have a stay at home parent.
If people dont want to be one than fine....but stop making excuses for those that say thay can't afford it. Most can but most aren't willing to make the necessary changes or take the necessary actions to make it happen
Excuse making and enabling are not good traits to have
Millennials have 5% of the wealth in this country, at the same point boomers had 21%. We did not all go through this. But yeah man it’s about selfie sticks and avocado toast. We are wholly uninterested in taking advice from two generations that were handed great economy’s and ran them into the ground.
So if mom-stay-at-home worked for your family and values, that's great. Personally, I'd have feared for my kids lives if v1.0/Mom and v2.0/Mom would have been with the littles 24/7 - they had other skills and talents that needed to be exercised in order for them to be the best mom they could be.
If stay at home works, cool. If it doesn't, that's cool too. Both can produce good kids, if managed properly - and both can produce some real fucked up children as well .
Raising kids is a crap shoot, no matter what you do.
Why can’t you get your own health insurance? Why do you need someone else to pay your student loans? Why do you need the government to provide you with an income?
We never asked for any of that shit. What makes you so fucking special?
1. This belongs on the Finance board. I'll reprise it in slightly shinier wrapping at a later date.
2. My wife stayed home. Can't say if they were better for that reason, or by reason of their superior swarthy genetics (Charles Murray's opinions notwithstanding). I will say this: I have three girls, and they are fucking educated and I have advised them to (1) have a career and (2) live near their mother.
I'll amplify my rationale for #2. First, nobody will take care of those babies better than my wife, and it will be free, and it will free me to go fuck around and do whatever I want because my wife will be blissfully unaware and give no fucks about what I am doing. Second, the odds of marrying an asshole or loser can be greatly reduced based on where you meet him. Both of my girls in serious relationships (one of them is married) met Mr. Wonderful in college. Good. Slightly better odds than in HS or a fucking bar. The third one is dating a guy she met in grad school. Even better. But even with superior breeding and social engineering, there are still decent odds you are going to marry the wrong person. People change, and frankly, nobody really knows anybody until they've seen them react in the trenches.
The problem with this little trip down reactionary lane with you well-intentioned gentlemen is this: the world in which women stayed home was also a world in which they had little power and influence and were beholden to the men in their lives for the basics of food and shelter, much less a "good life." Next to zero autonomy. Creep's kids will be self-sufficient well into the financial zone of wealth building where Eddie Murphy's "Half!!!!!!!" actually means something.
But if you want to raise your daughters with that vulnerability, like the Mormons do, go right ahead. We? won't protest.
That weak shit don't fly here
And, no offense, but one of my screening questions for all male suitors of Creepy's brood of beauties is whether they were latchkey kids growing up. Many were turned away on that basis alone.
You didn’t ask for any of that shit because you didn’t have to.
I'm just pointing out the downside. A guy your age ought to have piles of anecdotes of women you knew who had to slug it out in a miserable existence at home because it turns out dropping out of the work force for 20 years makes it kinda hard to be on your own economically. You see, I love my kids.
As to the merits, I hear ya. Mrs. Creep stayed home and my kids are damn near perfect. But the next generation of Creepy Super Zips are going to be even more better off. Grandma Creepy will watch the kids during the day, read them Shakespeare and play classical music all day, and when he feels like it, Grampa Creepy will teach them to golf. AND, my daughters will always be in a position to tell their husbands to go fuck off if they ever get fat and/or lazy and/or otherwise not meet our high standards.
*This is why the Finance board would do better with this. We? don't take things so personally. You guys get hysterical any time Kobe the Lib posts anything.