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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Guti is out for the season.
    I think water is wet needs to be replaced by gutierrez is hurt. (GIH)
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  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500
    edited February 2014
    dhdawg said:

    Guti is out for the season.
    I think water is wet needs to be replaced by gutierrez is hurt. (GIH)

    Yup, I was just about to say there is a better chance for water being dry than Guti being healthy.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    allpurpleallgold said:

    He's Robin Ventura.

    Not a bad comp, actually. Beltre has 65.1 career WAR to Ventura's 56.8. Surprisingly, Ventura actually gets more value from his defense, so even if you don't trust defensive statistics Beltre comes out as the superior player.

    The biggest difference is that Ventura is done while Beltre should have another 2 or 3 solid seasons in him. Beltre should end up in the 74-80 range in WAR, which is going to put him a couple orders of magnitude ahead of Ventura. If Beltre does hit 75ish, he'll be a lock for eventual inclusion into the Hall, baring strong steroid evidence. My guess is that over time the guys like Bagwell who are being kept out based purely on statistical suspicion will get in. Beltre as well.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,392 Standard Supporter
    allpurpleallgold said:

    He's Robin Ventura.

    Look at their stats, WAR, and defensive WAR. Beltre is far superior. I bet Beltre has another .300, 30 HR season this year too for another 5 in the WAR category. I don't know why you are underestimating Beltre. His last 3 years for the M's, he hit 25, 26, 25 HR's. If he played for Boston, Texas, or Chicago (like Ventura) then, he probably would have hit at least 30 HR's in those seasons.

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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    edited February 2014
    seriously though the guy does have a serious health problem and needs to retire, it's on the team for resigning the guy
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    allpurpleallgold said:

    He's Robin Ventura without the asskicking by Nolan Ryan.

    I can't believe how many fucking stupid poasters in this thread take Beltre's numbers at face value with respect to his Hall of Fame chances.

    Dude was more obvious about his juicing than Edgar Martinez was.

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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    It's not IF you cheat ... it's whether you get CAUGHT cheating
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    He's Robin Ventura without the asskicking by Nolan Ryan.

    I can't believe how many fucking stupid poasters in this thread take Beltre's numbers at face value with respect to his Hall of Fame chances.

    Dude was more obvious about his juicing than Edgar Martinez was.

    I don't actually agree, but who cares? You're comparing his numbers to a bunch of other dudes who were probably juicing, too. Steve Emtman probably roided. IDGAF.

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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,392 Standard Supporter
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    He's Robin Ventura without the asskicking by Nolan Ryan.

    I can't believe how many fucking stupid poasters in this thread take Beltre's numbers at face value with respect to his Hall of Fame chances.

    Dude was more obvious about his juicing than Edgar Martinez was.

    A lot of them are juicing. Pitchers too. To speculate is fucking stupid.

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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    dnc said:

    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    He's Robin Ventura without the asskicking by Nolan Ryan.

    I can't believe how many fucking stupid poasters in this thread take Beltre's numbers at face value with respect to his Hall of Fame chances.

    Dude was more obvious about his juicing than Edgar Martinez was.

    I don't actually agree, but who cares? You're comparing his numbers to a bunch of other dudes who were probably juicing, too. Steve Emtman probably roided. IDGAF.

    When it comes to the HOF, you're not comparing apples to apples.

    That's why the Steroid Era sucks and it stinks and it sucks.
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