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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    It's FS to say that Beltre isn't a potential HOFer without taking a look at what his numbers actually are. He's got a chance to get to 500 HRs. He'll end up having a top 20 amount of doubles in his career. His glove is/was elite. The steroid rumors and whatnot will dog any player that has played in the last 20 years.

    Beltre was never the problem with the Mariners.

    Everybody creams their sweatpants over Kyle Seager hoping that he'll put up more or less 30 and 100. Beltre did that. Yet, because he hit 48 HRs the year before coming to Seattle, everybody looked at that as what he should do EVERY year. Beltre's more or less shown over his career that he's more or less a 30 and 100 guy. That's who he is as a hitter.

    It's not hard to make an argument that Beltre may be one of the Top 5 3B to ever play the game.
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Tequilla said:

    It's FS to say that Beltre isn't a potential HOFer without taking a look at what his numbers actually are. He's got a chance to get to 500 HRs. He'll end up having a top 20 amount of doubles in his career. His glove is/was elite. The steroid rumors and whatnot will dog any player that has played in the last 20 years.

    Beltre was never the problem with the Mariners.

    Everybody creams their sweatpants over Kyle Seager hoping that he'll put up more or less 30 and 100. Beltre did that. Yet, because he hit 48 HRs the year before coming to Seattle, everybody looked at that as what he should do EVERY year. Beltre's more or less shown over his career that he's more or less a 30 and 100 guy. That's who he is as a hitter.

    It's not hard to make an argument that Beltre may be one of the Top 5 3B to ever play the game.

    Possibly the worst post I've ever read. And I read death2ducks posts.
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    allpurpleallgold said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's FS to say that Beltre isn't a potential HOFer without taking a look at what his numbers actually are. He's got a chance to get to 500 HRs. He'll end up having a top 20 amount of doubles in his career. His glove is/was elite. The steroid rumors and whatnot will dog any player that has played in the last 20 years.

    Beltre was never the problem with the Mariners.

    Everybody creams their sweatpants over Kyle Seager hoping that he'll put up more or less 30 and 100. Beltre did that. Yet, because he hit 48 HRs the year before coming to Seattle, everybody looked at that as what he should do EVERY year. Beltre's more or less shown over his career that he's more or less a 30 and 100 guy. That's who he is as a hitter.

    It's not hard to make an argument that Beltre may be one of the Top 5 3B to ever play the game.

    Possibly the worst post I've ever read. And I read death2ducks posts.
    What about PLSS Redskins poasts?
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    APAG,

    You can say that it's the worst post ever ... but at what point was anything in the post factually incorrect?
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    doogsinparadise said:

    Beltre's case is dependent on his being one of the best defensive third basemen in the history of the game. It's unlikely that he'd be elected, but not unbelievable.

    You would also have to ignore the significant statistical evidence that suggests that he's a juicer.
    Juicer or not, he will have a HOF caliber resume, which is pretty much all you can say about anyone these days. You also have to consider he's been a phenomenal defensive 3B for most of his career.

    Contrary to the popular narrative, he was worth every penny the M's paid him, unlike just about every other high priced free agent they've signed in the past 10 years.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    The mariners SHOULD sign Morales, instead they are going to Sign a 33 year old juicer who's worthless outside of Texas. Cruz will be a complete waste of money
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Wow, I actually agree with the Rodney signing, I guess even dreck organizations make good moves from time to time
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Tequilla said:

    APAG,

    You can say that it's the worst post ever ... but at what point was anything in the post factually incorrect?

    His career OPS is .812. Which is good for 365th all time. Top 5 third baseman of all time.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    If he stopped playing today, he's a top 10 3B for sure. He's still got a few years to accumulate. Hard to say for sure where he'll end up ... but he'll end up somewhere in that discussion point.

    If you want to look at a career OPS of .812, that's fine. How much of that is tied to the fact that he got to the big leagues at a super young age and that 2 of the parks where he played most of his career (Dodger Stadium and Safeco Field) are far from being hitter parks?

    Beltre's a comfortable punching bag for most people that like to blame his contract and his "lack" of production in those years as why the Mariners weren't successful. Bottom line though is that he was the furthest thing from the Mariners problems over those years.
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    He's Robin Ventura.
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