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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    CollegeDoog said:

    dhdawg said:

    it doesn't look like they're going to make any more moves. So the lineup is probably going to be
    1. Miller SS
    2. Seager 3B
    3. Cano 2B
    4. Hart DH
    decent 1-2-3-4
    then the fucking dreckfest begins
    5. Morrison LF
    6. Smoak 1B (this loser should've been gone 2 years ago)
    7. Zunino C
    8. Ackley CF
    9. Romero RF

    SP:
    Hernandez
    Iwakuma
    Walker
    Paxton
    #5 will be the only move they make
    Rotation isn't horrible

    Bullpen is awful, not one player in the pen isn't making limited salary, could've easily signed a Downs, or a Boone Logan, or a Balfour for barely over 5 million.

    the best I can see is 78-86

    Great 164 game season as always.
    Shit. 78-84
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    1) It's popular to rip on Bavasi's signings of Sexson and Beltre. Sexson was fine for his first 2 years. Beltre is a potential future HOFer depending on how the rest of his career plays out. Many made Beltre the poster child for Mariner failures instead of realizing that there wasn't anything around him and as a result he pressed trying to do too much. We asked him to hit 3rd and 4th when he's a 5th or 6th hitter.

    2) I like the moves to get Hart and Morrison this offseason. Problem is that you are foolish to have expectations for them without solid backup plans given their injury histories. We don't have backup plans. Smoak isn't part of the solution.

    3) I have a feeling that Ackley will have a breakout year this year.

    4) They really need to move Nick Franklin into something useful.

    5) Other than the fact that with Walker and Paxton in the rotation you are going to watch their innings, the rotation is looking to be a solid strength that should keep you in games (particularly if they would invest in going after a solid #3 that takes the pressure off of Walker and Paxton ... but that would be fucking smart and not FS

    6) In today's game of baseball, you are a fucking idiot as a GM if you don't invest in a solid bullpen ... it's often the difference between good teams and bad teams.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    franklin will probably be moved before the season begins, I just can't see a stop for him.
    Ackley could break out, but he just isn't an OFer.

    There is not one OF out of Gutierrez, Saunders, Morrison, Hart, Ackley, and Almonte that can start on a playoff caliber team, not one.

    The bullpen is garbage, I repeat they are paying minimum salary to every single member, look at what having a good bullpen did for the pirates last year.

    Jack Z has been advertised as some scouting genius, but the only draft pick that has actually proved he can produce at a ML level is Seager, so his drafting is probably average.

    He can't make a trade to save his life, and his FA signings have been a disaster
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    In today's game, a good rotation + a strong bullpen makes up for a mediocre offense ... particularly if you are pitching in a pitchers park like Safeco.

    You'd think that what Tampa and Oakland do is fucking rocket science.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,392 Standard Supporter
    Tequilla said:

    In today's game, a good rotation + a strong bullpen makes up for a mediocre offense ... particularly if you are pitching in a pitchers park like Safeco.

    You'd think that what Tampa and Oakland do is fucking rocket science.

    You need at least a mediocre offense, not a historically bad one. Not to mention, the Mariners rotation isn't as good as either of those teams, and their bullpen is a disaster compared to theirs.

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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Tequilla said:

    1) It's popular to rip on Bavasi's signings of Sexson and Beltre. Sexson was fine for his first 2 years. Beltre is a potential future HOFer depending on how the rest of his career plays out.

    I stopped reading here.

    TequillaFS
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  • [Deleted User]
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    edited January 2014
    TierbsHsotBoobs said:

    Tequilla said:

    1) It's popular to rip on Bavasi's signings of Sexson and Beltre. Sexson was fine for his first 2 years. Beltre is a potential future HOFer depending on how the rest of his career plays out.

    I stopped reading here.

    TequillaFS
    I almost did too but I went and looked at Beltre's stats again. He had a pretty good average WAR in his 5 years with the M's and has 376 HR's at age 34. He could be a HOF based on stats but I don't think the BBWAA would elect him because of steroid rumors.

    Sexson....uhhhh. No. Not good at all.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    I'm assuming at this point that Beltre was another Biogenesis client that got away with it.

    His sudden resurgence with a known doping team speaks volumes.
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    Beltre's case is dependent on his being one of the best defensive third basemen in the history of the game. It's unlikely that he'd be elected, but not unbelievable.
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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    doogsinparadise said:

    Beltre's case is dependent on his being one of the best defensive third basemen in the history of the game. It's unlikely that he'd be elected, but not unbelievable.

    You would also have to ignore the significant statistical evidence that suggests that he's a juicer.
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