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  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    SFGbob said:

    Agree it was a poor choice but he doesn't deserve life in prison for making that poor choice. What about the "choices" of the people who were rioting? Any condemnation for them or just Rittenhouse?

    No. He doesn’t deserve to be in prison if this was indeed likely self defense. But as Clint would say deserves got nothing to do with it. I feel bad for the kid.

    These people at the riots are some serious shit heads. I wish they were getting their heads smashed by police batons. But I don’t want immature kids going into the fray. There’s no good outcome.
    Decent explanation, but there wasn’t going to be a good outcome in Kenosha regardless of his being there. The mob of BLM destroyed local businesses and the Democrat Media blamed it on “right-wing” instigators. The News is all one big manufactured reality show.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,624 Standard Supporter
    Another Soros DA I'm guessing. Far from murder. Justifiable homicide. I know how this shit works.

    Kid seems pretty fucking squared away and competent for 17.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,205 Founders Club
    edited November 2020

    SFGbob said:

    Agree it was a poor choice but he doesn't deserve life in prison for making that poor choice. What about the "choices" of the people who were rioting? Any condemnation for them or just Rittenhouse?

    No. He doesn’t deserve to be in prison if this was indeed likely self defense. But as Clint would say deserves got nothing to do with it. I feel bad for the kid.

    These people at the riots are some serious shit heads. I wish they were getting their heads smashed by police batons. But I don’t want immature kids going into the fray. There’s no good outcome.
    Decent explanation, but there wasn’t going to be a good outcome in Kenosha regardless of his being there. The mob of BLM destroyed local businesses and the Democrat Media blamed it on “right-wing” instigators. The News is all one big manufactured reality show.
    @creepycoug had a great post a while back about how decent law abiding citizens should steer clear of these peaceful protests. There’s nothing to be gained. The people there are not invested in society the way all of us are here.

    If you own a bidness in the cross hairs then fine, show up with some grown ass men and lots of buckshot and exercise your constitutional rights.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    SFGbob said:

    Agree it was a poor choice but he doesn't deserve life in prison for making that poor choice. What about the "choices" of the people who were rioting? Any condemnation for them or just Rittenhouse?

    No. He doesn’t deserve to be in prison if this was indeed likely self defense. But as Clint would say deserves got nothing to do with it. I feel bad for the kid.

    These people at the riots are some serious shit heads. I wish they were getting their heads smashed by police batons. But I don’t want immature kids going into the fray. There’s no good outcome.
    Decent explanation, but there wasn’t going to be a good outcome in Kenosha regardless of his being there. The mob of BLM destroyed local businesses and the Democrat Media blamed it on “right-wing” instigators. The News is all one big manufactured reality show.
    @creepycoug had a great post a while back about how decent law abiding citizens should steer clear of these peaceful protests. There’s nothing to be gained. The people there are invested in society the way all of us are here.

    If you own a bidness in the cross hairs then fine, show up with some grown ass men and lots of buckshot and exercise your constitutional rights.
    Rittenhouse worked at a pool in Kenosha, it’s a border city and Kyle lives outside of it, and he was invited by people he knew to protect businesses after he got off work. Bad judgment? Sure. But there is video of one of the men who chased him trying to stop Kyle before he got to turn himself in to the police. The guy who pointed his pistol and got his arm blown apart.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,661

    The kids an idiot for being there in general.
    He didnt do anything illegal.

    And he did the country a service of ridding us of those idiot antifa child molesters.

    Agree
    It's because I come correct you gangly bastard
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965
    SFGbob said:

    Goduckies said:

    SFGbob said:

    alumni94 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Btw, has anyone heard or read anything more on the shooting of Jacob Blake that sparked this riot? Has there been any official state/police report on the shooting released?

    Those cop(s) will walk also.

    Pretty good evidence that Blake was already carrying a knife when he went around the front of the vehicle to open up the door of the mini-van. He'd already been tasered twice and was fighting with the police while carrying a knife. How were the police to know that he wasn't going for a gun inside the vehicle? Bullshit that the media has lost all interest in the facts surrounding this incident.
    Exactly, I've seen the photo of him with the knife.
    I too have seen the photo, it looks like a knife but when you couple it with the fact that witnesses of the incident say that the police were yelling for him to drop the knife, and the photo it sure seems to me like he had a knife prior to opening the car door. Of course the media runs the defense made by his lawyer the notorious proven liar Ben Crump who claims he had no knife and that Blake was breaking up a fight between two women when the police attacked him because he is black.
    Ben Crump should be in jail for incitement
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Goduckies said:

    SFGbob said:

    Goduckies said:

    SFGbob said:

    alumni94 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Btw, has anyone heard or read anything more on the shooting of Jacob Blake that sparked this riot? Has there been any official state/police report on the shooting released?

    Those cop(s) will walk also.

    Pretty good evidence that Blake was already carrying a knife when he went around the front of the vehicle to open up the door of the mini-van. He'd already been tasered twice and was fighting with the police while carrying a knife. How were the police to know that he wasn't going for a gun inside the vehicle? Bullshit that the media has lost all interest in the facts surrounding this incident.
    Exactly, I've seen the photo of him with the knife.
    I too have seen the photo, it looks like a knife but when you couple it with the fact that witnesses of the incident say that the police were yelling for him to drop the knife, and the photo it sure seems to me like he had a knife prior to opening the car door. Of course the media runs the defense made by his lawyer the notorious proven liar Ben Crump who claims he had no knife and that Blake was breaking up a fight between two women when the police attacked him because he is black.
    Ben Crump should be in jail for incitement
    Love how the media continues to unquestioningly allow Crump to spread his lies on their airwaves and in their newspapers. Crump stated flat out that Breona Taylor and George Floyd were "murdered" because they were black and because the police are racists. No push back by the press in either instance.
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965
    Exactly how many billions in damage and lives lost is he responsible for?
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member Posts: 8,145

    Kid should have just let himself be murdered.

    Better yet he could have stayed home. If any of my kids when they’re 17 goes near a riot they’ll get a beating by me.
    Unless they're there with you;-) Come on man it's a bonding opportunity
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,034 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    alumni94 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Btw, has anyone heard or read anything more on the shooting of Jacob Blake that sparked this riot? Has there been any official state/police report on the shooting released?

    Those cop(s) will walk also.

    Pretty good evidence that Blake was already carrying a knife when he went around the front of the vehicle to open up the door of the mini-van. He'd already been tasered twice and was fighting with the police while carrying a knife. How were the police to know that he wasn't going for a gun inside the vehicle? Bullshit that the media has lost all interest in the facts surrounding this incident.
    Blake is yet one more unfortunate victim of police violence because he ignored "The Talk."

    Apparently that "always show your hands and don't reach for anything, cooperate with police and be polite, etc.," part of "The Talk" was forgotten when he needed it most.

    Hard to understand how something every parent of a black child must mandatorily engage in with their youths, unlike white kids, whose parents never say anything about not mouthing off to cops, not running from cops, not getting physical with cops, etc., can go so wrong. Did all these black police shooting victims just forget about "The Talk?"

    Is collective, stress-induced amnesia an epidemic in these cases? Or is "The Talk" another load of bullshit? The evidence points to the latter.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,205 Founders Club
    edited November 2020

    17 year olds have died for this country since the Revolution usually in the uniform of the United States Army, Navy or Marine Corps which is a hell of a lot different than being a 17 year old running from an angry mob

    Initially I tended to agree with the just stay home but this video tells the whole story. He was there doing good. And the pedophile and the other dude got everything they asked for. Fuck them

    Edit to add that Joe will have 17 year olds being shot again in no time

  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    alumni94 said:

    SFGbob said:

    Btw, has anyone heard or read anything more on the shooting of Jacob Blake that sparked this riot? Has there been any official state/police report on the shooting released?

    Those cop(s) will walk also.

    Pretty good evidence that Blake was already carrying a knife when he went around the front of the vehicle to open up the door of the mini-van. He'd already been tasered twice and was fighting with the police while carrying a knife. How were the police to know that he wasn't going for a gun inside the vehicle? Bullshit that the media has lost all interest in the facts surrounding this incident.
    Blake is yet one more unfortunate victim of police violence because he ignored "The Talk."

    Apparently that "always show your hands and don't reach for anything, cooperate with police and be polite, etc.," part of "The Talk" was forgotten when he needed it most.

    Hard to understand how something every parent of a black child must mandatorily engage in with their youths, unlike white kids, whose parents never say anything about not mouthing off to cops, not running from cops, not getting physical with cops, etc., can go so wrong. Did all these black police shooting victims just forget about "The Talk?"

    Is collective, stress-induced amnesia an epidemic in these cases? Or is "The Talk" another load of bullshit? The evidence points to the latter.
    "The talk" is a pet peeve of mine for all the reasons you laid out.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    RoadTrip said:

    17 year olds have died for this country since the Revolution

    Initially I tended to agree with the just stay home but this video tells the whole story. He was there doing good. And the pedophile and the other dude got everything they asked for. Fuck them

    Edit to add that Joe will have 17 year olds being shot again in no time

    I don’t think the kid committed murder. Just saying sit it out. It was a poor choice to show up good intentions or not.
    I understand your position and no matter what anyone says here, your logic is sound. That said, people are getting fed up with the bullshit going on in this country. I could have had my CWP but if I'm being honest I don't want to be put in a situation where I might kill someone. I do now carry a basball bat in my trunk. But in terms of this kid and what he did I can't fault his passion and desire to fucking do something. The right has just sat back and taken shit from the entire left, their media, all of academia, the courts and the massive government industial complex for 60 years. It's coming to a boiling point and because the left can't beat the right on a level playing field of ideas they must turn to violence. This kid and thousands more like him have decided not to turn the other cheek anymore. It only gets worse from here but nobody should denigrate you for advising your friends and family to stay out of the fight; mostly because the truth is nothing is going to change and if it does it means a whole shit ton of people died.
    This is pretty much where I'm at. It's one thing to talk about this shit in the Tug. It's another thing to get yourself embroiled in a self-defense situation with the authorities and hope they see it your way. No matter the outcome, it'll be life changing.

    And I second Yella's rationale here: the midnight parties in Portland and elsewhere aren't being thrown by people who think about things the way you just articulated your hesitancy to get a CWP. It doesn't matter if you do or you don't. What does matter is that you're thinking critically about it, using your prefrontal cortex and not your dick, to make a decision that takes a lot of things into account.

    You can probably count on one hand the number of people at those riots who think they way you think. And I mean that as it applies to the left or the right. Yeah, there are some defending businesses, etc. But in the main, those shit shows attract people looking for a fight, and those people often have little to lose.
    Once again, the philosopher king is always right.

    I own a gun. It was loaded and under the bed when they were boarding up the shops at U Village. I wasn't going sling it over my shoulder and take my first aid kit down to Cap Hill to go help out though. Guess this means I am pussy cuckold.
    Always good to see someone finally face reality. :smiley:
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,672 Founders Club

    17 year olds have died for this country since the Revolution usually in the uniform of the United States Army, Navy or Marine Corps which is a hell of a lot different than being a 17 year old running from an angry mob

    Initially I tended to agree with the just stay home but this video tells the whole story. He was there doing good. And the pedophile and the other dude got everything they asked for. Fuck them

    Edit to add that Joe will have 17 year olds being shot again in no time

    You didn't watch
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,205 Founders Club
    edited November 2020

    17 year olds have died for this country since the Revolution usually in the uniform of the United States Army, Navy or Marine Corps which is a hell of a lot different than being a 17 year old running from an angry mob

    Initially I tended to agree with the just stay home but this video tells the whole story. He was there doing good. And the pedophile and the other dude got everything they asked for. Fuck them

    Edit to add that Joe will have 17 year olds being shot again in no time

    You didn't watch
    I did watch it. Got to it this morning. It didn't reveal any new information. All stuff I've seen previously in other articles or videos.

    Self defense. Kid was a fool. This isn't hard guys.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,205 Founders Club
    SFGbob said:

    RoadTrip said:

    17 year olds have died for this country since the Revolution

    Initially I tended to agree with the just stay home but this video tells the whole story. He was there doing good. And the pedophile and the other dude got everything they asked for. Fuck them

    Edit to add that Joe will have 17 year olds being shot again in no time

    I don’t think the kid committed murder. Just saying sit it out. It was a poor choice to show up good intentions or not.
    I understand your position and no matter what anyone says here, your logic is sound. That said, people are getting fed up with the bullshit going on in this country. I could have had my CWP but if I'm being honest I don't want to be put in a situation where I might kill someone. I do now carry a basball bat in my trunk. But in terms of this kid and what he did I can't fault his passion and desire to fucking do something. The right has just sat back and taken shit from the entire left, their media, all of academia, the courts and the massive government industial complex for 60 years. It's coming to a boiling point and because the left can't beat the right on a level playing field of ideas they must turn to violence. This kid and thousands more like him have decided not to turn the other cheek anymore. It only gets worse from here but nobody should denigrate you for advising your friends and family to stay out of the fight; mostly because the truth is nothing is going to change and if it does it means a whole shit ton of people died.
    This is pretty much where I'm at. It's one thing to talk about this shit in the Tug. It's another thing to get yourself embroiled in a self-defense situation with the authorities and hope they see it your way. No matter the outcome, it'll be life changing.

    And I second Yella's rationale here: the midnight parties in Portland and elsewhere aren't being thrown by people who think about things the way you just articulated your hesitancy to get a CWP. It doesn't matter if you do or you don't. What does matter is that you're thinking critically about it, using your prefrontal cortex and not your dick, to make a decision that takes a lot of things into account.

    You can probably count on one hand the number of people at those riots who think they way you think. And I mean that as it applies to the left or the right. Yeah, there are some defending businesses, etc. But in the main, those shit shows attract people looking for a fight, and those people often have little to lose.
    Once again, the philosopher king is always right.

    I own a gun. It was loaded and under the bed when they were boarding up the shops at U Village. I wasn't going sling it over my shoulder and take my first aid kit down to Cap Hill to go help out though. Guess this means I am pussy cuckold.
    Always good to see someone finally face reality. :smiley:
    Yep. @YellowSnow is a big pussy in real life. That's the Tug for ya.
  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    Regardless of him making good or bad decisions the major fucking problem is how the incident has been positioned by the MSM.

    The networks are crafting our supposed reality.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,205 Founders Club
    jecornel said:

    Regardless of him making good or bad decisions the major fucking problem is how the incident has been positioned by the MSM.

    The networks are crafting our supposed reality.

    That's fair. But he also shouldn't be a poster child for the 2A.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    jecornel said:

    Regardless of him making good or bad decisions the major fucking problem is how the incident has been positioned by the MSM.

    The networks are crafting our supposed reality.

    Yeah, smearing him as a white supremacist or even a "right-winger" is bullshit. Other than supporting the cops do we even know anything about his politics? I've read a couple pieces now on the people he shot both from lefty outlets like the WaPo and LATimes that couldn't more sympathetic to the "victims."
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,624 Standard Supporter

    He’s a retard but he should walk.

    He's far from a retard. You might not like his published support for law enforcement, or his involvement in this incident, or the way he looks, or whatever, but objectively he's a very prepared young man who showed an incredible amount of discipline and skill in an incredibly bad situation.

    He was asked to be there to help out, and he willingly stepped up to do so. He showed up prepared to provide first aid as well as protect himself and others from life threatening attacks. He did NOT spray bullets randomly into a crowd or simply walk up to Antifa/BLM asshats and shoot them, but rather attempted to escape while under life threatening attacks, resorting to fire only as a last option and only firing upon and hitting his attackers. Along the way he was in contact with emergency services and attempted to turn himself in to the police when it was finally "safe" for him to do so. Definitely not a retard.
    How can you conclude he was "objectively prepared"? He was running for his damn life from an angry mob and is lucky to be alive. I can appreciate and respeck the kid's desire to DO SOMETHING, but he was way in over his head from the get go.

    Shooting someone dead - even when it's justified - is a huge pain in the ass. The kid proactively got into a life or death situation he had no business being in. Contrast Rittenhouse's choices with, say, the images of the well armed black store owners in MN protecting their property and livelihood. Those grown ass men were prepared and had enough firepower to dissuade the mob.
    The mob looked pretty disueded. Oh and dead.