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  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,226 Standard Supporter
    I want ObamaCare destroyed.

    Go to a two tier system and protect PECs. That’s all we need.

    It’s not hard.

  • thechatch said:

    I want ObamaCare destroyed.

    Go to a two tier system and protect PECs. That’s all we need.

    It’s not hard.

    You want it destroyed.

    More than 65% of the electorate does not.




    Also Lindsay basically crying and begging Fox News viewers for help shows where things are headed.

  • Blu82
    Blu82 Member Posts: 1,672
    If you think Lindsey is scared or crying, you and your fellow Soyboys best stock up on undies.
  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,226 Standard Supporter

    thechatch said:

    I want ObamaCare destroyed.

    Go to a two tier system and protect PECs. That’s all we need.

    It’s not hard.

    You want it destroyed.

    More than 65% of the electorate does not.




    Also Lindsay basically crying and begging Fox News viewers for help shows where things are headed.

    The ACA is a clumsy, poorly conceived partnership between the federal government and private insurance to provide substandard healthcare. Get the fucking fed out of private care.

    Expand MC and MediCaid. Run it through the states at the university level with matching federal dollars. I’m ok with tax money going to this. I’m not ok with co-mingling the two systems, and introducing waste and elevated costs in both apparatuses.
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965 Standard Supporter
    He isn't scared, just trying to fundraise
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,404 Founders Club
    thechatch said:

    He’s got a point, you know.

    Make SCOTUS 11 members after Trump wins and the GOP keeps the Senate and wins the House.

    Fuck Harry Reid for taking us down this road of using the Supreme court as a political campaign battleground.
    It needs to stay at nine. And Harry Reid is a feckless pile of shit of a human being. Just terrible. Power at all costs.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,404 Founders Club
    Goduckies said:

    Except the impeachment was politics and there was no crime

    They say everything will be on the table. Well, everything has been on the table since day one! The FBI conspired to create lies to drive Trump from office. How much worse than that does it get?
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    thechatch said:

    thechatch said:

    I want ObamaCare destroyed.

    Go to a two tier system and protect PECs. That’s all we need.

    It’s not hard.

    You want it destroyed.

    More than 65% of the electorate does not.




    Also Lindsay basically crying and begging Fox News viewers for help shows where things are headed.

    The ACA is a clumsy, poorly conceived partnership between the federal government and private insurance to provide substandard healthcare. Get the fucking fed out of private care.

    Expand MC and MediCaid. Run it through the states at the university level with matching federal dollars. I’m ok with tax money going to this. I’m not ok with co-mingling the two systems, and introducing waste and elevated costs in both apparatuses.
    BOOM! Fucking this!
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    edited September 2020
    That's the only small worry I had. Fuck off Susan, fuck off Murkowski, fuck off Mitt the loser. Appears we have the votes. Let's do this. Don't give a fuck if Biden wins. SCOTUS for 20 years is worth any cost. Dem tears taste sweet.

    edit: How does Murkowski keep getting elected? Bitch.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559

    thechatch said:

    doogie said:

    Or?

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    Right. Trump is not an outgoing POTUS, and he holds the Senate.
    Right holding the senate is the only difference. Under those circumstances yes it helped Trump because because Evangelical Christians were otherwise a weakness for him.

    Under 2020 circumstances where evangelicals and conservatives are already rabidly for him and it's still not enough to win, this does not help him.

    Good luck winning an election while jamming through a justice who will completely throw out the ACA in just months, completely upending healthcare for millions during a pandemic that he is doing nothing about. Seriously, good luck with that.
    It’s over...

    The purpose for Trumps second term was to transform the Supreme Court. He’s going to do it in term 1. I think he still wins, but even if he doesn’t, it’s fodder at this point. The war is over, as the Supreme Court is conservative for the next 20 years. Losers lose, and winners win.


  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    Was just looking at some polling suggesting there is a good chance the Senate flips to blue. Jesus Christ it's going to be interesting if Dems get the White House and the Senate.

    Anybody in this shithole have any kind of a read on what is likely to happen in the Senate? I don't trust poles much.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    Swaye said:

    Was just looking at some polling suggesting there is a good chance the Senate flips to blue. Jesus Christ it's going to be interesting if Dems get the White House and the Senate.

    Anybody in this shithole have any kind of a read on what is likely to happen in the Senate? I don't trust poles much.

    Since idiots procreate at higher rates, I imagine the country continuing to turn blue.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club

    Swaye said:

    Was just looking at some polling suggesting there is a good chance the Senate flips to blue. Jesus Christ it's going to be interesting if Dems get the White House and the Senate.

    Anybody in this shithole have any kind of a read on what is likely to happen in the Senate? I don't trust poles much.

    Since idiots procreate at higher rates, I imagine the country continuing to turn blue.

  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537

    thechatch said:

    doogie said:

    Or?

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    Right. Trump is not an outgoing POTUS, and he holds the Senate.
    Right holding the senate is the only difference. Under those circumstances yes it helped Trump because because Evangelical Christians were otherwise a weakness for him.

    Under 2020 circumstances where evangelicals and conservatives are already rabidly for him and it's still not enough to win, this does not help him.

    Good luck winning an election while jamming through a justice who will completely throw out the ACA in just months, completely upending healthcare for millions during a pandemic that he is doing nothing about. Seriously, good luck with that.
    It’s over...

    The purpose for Trumps second term was to transform the Supreme Court. He’s going to do it in term 1. I think he still wins, but even if he doesn’t, it’s fodder at this point. The war is over, as the Supreme Court is conservative for the next 20 years. Losers lose, and winners win.


    Im not really sure pushing through a supreme court nominee even moves the voting needle at all at this point. The people who pay attention at all have already decided, the people who are mouth breathing morons wont even see this through the miasma of other shit unless they pull some Kavanaugh assassination shit. They wont be able to as cleanly attack a woman, Catholic or Cuban or whatever.

    The other factor is enthusiasm; A successful court nominee would certainly galvanize the right with Trump and I would imagine be pretty demoralizing to the left, it removes one of the "benefits" of voting for Biden and the outrage meter has already been cranked up to 11 for years, I highly doubt they are motivating new people to be outraged over this.



  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    Houhusky said:

    thechatch said:

    doogie said:

    Or?

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    Right. Trump is not an outgoing POTUS, and he holds the Senate.
    Right holding the senate is the only difference. Under those circumstances yes it helped Trump because because Evangelical Christians were otherwise a weakness for him.

    Under 2020 circumstances where evangelicals and conservatives are already rabidly for him and it's still not enough to win, this does not help him.

    Good luck winning an election while jamming through a justice who will completely throw out the ACA in just months, completely upending healthcare for millions during a pandemic that he is doing nothing about. Seriously, good luck with that.
    It’s over...

    The purpose for Trumps second term was to transform the Supreme Court. He’s going to do it in term 1. I think he still wins, but even if he doesn’t, it’s fodder at this point. The war is over, as the Supreme Court is conservative for the next 20 years. Losers lose, and winners win.


    Im not really sure pushing through a supreme court nominee even moves the voting needle at all at this point. The people who pay attention at all have already decided, the people who are mouth breathing morons wont even see this through the miasma of other shit unless they pull some Kavanaugh assassination shit. They wont be able to as cleanly attack a woman, Catholic or Cuban or whatever.

    The other factor is enthusiasm; A successful court nominee would certainly galvanize the right with Trump and I would imagine be pretty demoralizing to the left, it removes one of the "benefits" of voting for Biden and the outrage meter has already been cranked up to 11 for years, I highly doubt they are motivating new people to be outraged over this.



    I find it very strange that Dems are out fund raising the GOP by multiples if recent reporting is to be believed.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,090 Founders Club
    edited September 2020
    Swaye said:

    Was just looking at some polling suggesting there is a good chance the Senate flips to blue. Jesus Christ it's going to be interesting if Dems get the White House and the Senate.

    Anybody in this shithole have any kind of a read on what is likely to happen in the Senate? I don't trust poles much.

    "Good chance" is spin. IF you believe the polls they have a slightly favored chance of doing it but that's essentially negated by the fact that they have to win all their flips and not have any incumbents lose. A 50/50 split is a real possibility too.

    Get out and vote...in person.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited September 2020
    Swaye said:

    Houhusky said:

    thechatch said:

    doogie said:

    Or?

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    Right. Trump is not an outgoing POTUS, and he holds the Senate.
    Right holding the senate is the only difference. Under those circumstances yes it helped Trump because because Evangelical Christians were otherwise a weakness for him.

    Under 2020 circumstances where evangelicals and conservatives are already rabidly for him and it's still not enough to win, this does not help him.

    Good luck winning an election while jamming through a justice who will completely throw out the ACA in just months, completely upending healthcare for millions during a pandemic that he is doing nothing about. Seriously, good luck with that.
    It’s over...

    The purpose for Trumps second term was to transform the Supreme Court. He’s going to do it in term 1. I think he still wins, but even if he doesn’t, it’s fodder at this point. The war is over, as the Supreme Court is conservative for the next 20 years. Losers lose, and winners win.


    Im not really sure pushing through a supreme court nominee even moves the voting needle at all at this point. The people who pay attention at all have already decided, the people who are mouth breathing morons wont even see this through the miasma of other shit unless they pull some Kavanaugh assassination shit. They wont be able to as cleanly attack a woman, Catholic or Cuban or whatever.

    The other factor is enthusiasm; A successful court nominee would certainly galvanize the right with Trump and I would imagine be pretty demoralizing to the left, it removes one of the "benefits" of voting for Biden and the outrage meter has already been cranked up to 11 for years, I highly doubt they are motivating new people to be outraged over this.



    I find it very strange that Dems are out fund raising the GOP by multiples if recent reporting is to be believed.
    It’s not to be believed

    Key RNC figures of note from the party this morning:

    It raised $67.6 million in August, including money transferred from supporting organizations.
    - The RNC has $114.9 million on hand.
    - Total RNC, Trump campaign, and its committees raised $212 million.
    - Receipts for the 2019-2020 cycle across all entities was $1.3 billion.
    - RNC debt: $0.


    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/record-breaking-gop-fundraising-haul-just-in-time-for-final-trump-push
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    You're right. In 2016 the GOP held the Senate and had the power to not grant Obama's nominee a vote. And now in 2020 the GOP holds the Senate and has the power to grant Trump's nominee a vote. Completely different.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    thechatch said:

    doogie said:

    Or?

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    Right. Trump is not an outgoing POTUS, and he holds the Senate.
    Right holding the senate is the only difference. Under those circumstances yes it helped Trump because because Evangelical Christians were otherwise a weakness for him.

    Under 2020 circumstances where evangelicals and conservatives are already rabidly for him and it's still not enough to win, this does not help him.

    Good luck winning an election while jamming through a justice who will completely throw out the ACA in just months, completely upending healthcare for millions during a pandemic that he is doing nothing about. Seriously, good luck with that.
    Wow, what a meltdown. I'm a Conservative and I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I will this election. Conservatives weren't "rabidly" for Trump. And I love how giving a President's SC nominee a vote is now "jamming through a justice."
  • Houhusky
    Houhusky Member Posts: 5,537
    edited September 2020
    Swaye said:

    Houhusky said:

    thechatch said:

    doogie said:

    Or?

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    Right. Trump is not an outgoing POTUS, and he holds the Senate.
    Right holding the senate is the only difference. Under those circumstances yes it helped Trump because because Evangelical Christians were otherwise a weakness for him.

    Under 2020 circumstances where evangelicals and conservatives are already rabidly for him and it's still not enough to win, this does not help him.

    Good luck winning an election while jamming through a justice who will completely throw out the ACA in just months, completely upending healthcare for millions during a pandemic that he is doing nothing about. Seriously, good luck with that.
    It’s over...

    The purpose for Trumps second term was to transform the Supreme Court. He’s going to do it in term 1. I think he still wins, but even if he doesn’t, it’s fodder at this point. The war is over, as the Supreme Court is conservative for the next 20 years. Losers lose, and winners win.


    Im not really sure pushing through a supreme court nominee even moves the voting needle at all at this point. The people who pay attention at all have already decided, the people who are mouth breathing morons wont even see this through the miasma of other shit unless they pull some Kavanaugh assassination shit. They wont be able to as cleanly attack a woman, Catholic or Cuban or whatever.

    The other factor is enthusiasm; A successful court nominee would certainly galvanize the right with Trump and I would imagine be pretty demoralizing to the left, it removes one of the "benefits" of voting for Biden and the outrage meter has already been cranked up to 11 for years, I highly doubt they are motivating new people to be outraged over this.



    I find it very strange that Dems are out fund raising the GOP by multiples if recent reporting is to be believed.
    I wonder how "fund raising" is counted...

    Im sure BLM and antifa donations are through the fucking roof...

    All the BLM donations on their website are funneled through the democrat superpac ActBlue
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    thechatch said:

    I want ObamaCare destroyed.

    Go to a two tier system and protect PECs. That’s all we need.

    It’s not hard.

    You want it destroyed.

    More than 65% of the electorate does not.




    Also Lindsay basically crying and begging Fox News viewers for help shows where things are headed.

    Looked to me like a Politician asked for donations. Didn't see any crying or begging.
  • Houhusky said:

    thechatch said:

    doogie said:

    Or?

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    Right. Trump is not an outgoing POTUS, and he holds the Senate.
    Right holding the senate is the only difference. Under those circumstances yes it helped Trump because because Evangelical Christians were otherwise a weakness for him.

    Under 2020 circumstances where evangelicals and conservatives are already rabidly for him and it's still not enough to win, this does not help him.

    Good luck winning an election while jamming through a justice who will completely throw out the ACA in just months, completely upending healthcare for millions during a pandemic that he is doing nothing about. Seriously, good luck with that.
    It’s over...

    The purpose for Trumps second term was to transform the Supreme Court. He’s going to do it in term 1. I think he still wins, but even if he doesn’t, it’s fodder at this point. The war is over, as the Supreme Court is conservative for the next 20 years. Losers lose, and winners win.


    Im not really sure pushing through a supreme court nominee even moves the voting needle at all at this point. The people who pay attention at all have already decided, the people who are mouth breathing morons wont even see this through the miasma of other shit unless they pull some Kavanaugh assassination shit. They wont be able to as cleanly attack a woman, Catholic or Cuban or whatever.

    The other factor is enthusiasm; A successful court nominee would certainly galvanize the right with Trump and I would imagine be pretty demoralizing to the left, it removes one of the "benefits" of voting for Biden and the outrage meter has already been cranked up to 11 for years, I highly doubt they are motivating new people to be outraged over this.



    They aren't going to attack the individual, they are actually for once being smart and talking about what the court is going to do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPPKJMHkjcI&t=29s

    70% don't want to overturn Roe, about the same don't want the ACA's protections repealed.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    You're right. In 2016 the GOP held the Senate and had the power to not grant Obama's nominee a vote. And now in 2020 the GOP holds the Senate and has the power to grant Trump's nominee a vote. Completely different.



    2013 is more like it!
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072

    Houhusky said:

    thechatch said:

    doogie said:

    Or?

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    Right. Trump is not an outgoing POTUS, and he holds the Senate.
    Right holding the senate is the only difference. Under those circumstances yes it helped Trump because because Evangelical Christians were otherwise a weakness for him.

    Under 2020 circumstances where evangelicals and conservatives are already rabidly for him and it's still not enough to win, this does not help him.

    Good luck winning an election while jamming through a justice who will completely throw out the ACA in just months, completely upending healthcare for millions during a pandemic that he is doing nothing about. Seriously, good luck with that.
    It’s over...

    The purpose for Trumps second term was to transform the Supreme Court. He’s going to do it in term 1. I think he still wins, but even if he doesn’t, it’s fodder at this point. The war is over, as the Supreme Court is conservative for the next 20 years. Losers lose, and winners win.


    Im not really sure pushing through a supreme court nominee even moves the voting needle at all at this point. The people who pay attention at all have already decided, the people who are mouth breathing morons wont even see this through the miasma of other shit unless they pull some Kavanaugh assassination shit. They wont be able to as cleanly attack a woman, Catholic or Cuban or whatever.

    The other factor is enthusiasm; A successful court nominee would certainly galvanize the right with Trump and I would imagine be pretty demoralizing to the left, it removes one of the "benefits" of voting for Biden and the outrage meter has already been cranked up to 11 for years, I highly doubt they are motivating new people to be outraged over this.



    They aren't going to attack the individual, they are actually for once being smart and talking about what the court is going to do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPPKJMHkjcI&t=29s

    70% don't want to overturn Roe, about the same don't want the ACA's protections repealed.

    Is this the same Bitch promising to break over 200 years of Supreme Court precedent?

  • incremetal_progress
    incremetal_progress Member Posts: 358
    edited September 2020
    You can attack her personally and quibble with some of her remarks but the message on healthcare is direct and devastating.

    Yes the republicans got the SCOTUS supermajority liberals feared greatly, congratulations it's devastating. But it's also not going to play well in November, both things are true.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    Houhusky said:

    thechatch said:

    doogie said:

    Or?

    The GOP is gonna seat the justice no matter what and I don't see how it doesn't lose them the election spectacularly. Biden is just gonna keep talking about the Obamacare case until November and how Trump is gonna take away healthcare during a pandemic, elect me to save the healthcare law I literally helped pass.

    Court packing won't happen, Biden/Harris are going to have to grow some balls and actively go against the court on certain things. The precedent Trump has set is if the senate isn't going to convict you then you can really do whatever you want.

    Not confirming Merrick Garland sure cost the GOP greatly in 2016.

    As usual, you Leftists are overplaying your hand by talking about impeaching Barr and Trump and packing SCOTUS with extra judges. Ginsburg should have retired in 2013 with Obama as President and Dem control of the Senate. She gambled on Hillary winning
    In 2016 and we’ve had 4 years of her falling asleep and being in and out of the hospital because she lost the bet.
    The circumstances could not be less similar to 2016. But I get it, 2016, 2016, 2016.
    Right. Trump is not an outgoing POTUS, and he holds the Senate.
    Right holding the senate is the only difference. Under those circumstances yes it helped Trump because because Evangelical Christians were otherwise a weakness for him.

    Under 2020 circumstances where evangelicals and conservatives are already rabidly for him and it's still not enough to win, this does not help him.

    Good luck winning an election while jamming through a justice who will completely throw out the ACA in just months, completely upending healthcare for millions during a pandemic that he is doing nothing about. Seriously, good luck with that.
    It’s over...

    The purpose for Trumps second term was to transform the Supreme Court. He’s going to do it in term 1. I think he still wins, but even if he doesn’t, it’s fodder at this point. The war is over, as the Supreme Court is conservative for the next 20 years. Losers lose, and winners win.


    Im not really sure pushing through a supreme court nominee even moves the voting needle at all at this point. The people who pay attention at all have already decided, the people who are mouth breathing morons wont even see this through the miasma of other shit unless they pull some Kavanaugh assassination shit. They wont be able to as cleanly attack a woman, Catholic or Cuban or whatever.

    The other factor is enthusiasm; A successful court nominee would certainly galvanize the right with Trump and I would imagine be pretty demoralizing to the left, it removes one of the "benefits" of voting for Biden and the outrage meter has already been cranked up to 11 for years, I highly doubt they are motivating new people to be outraged over this.



    They aren't going to attack the individual, they are actually for once being smart and talking about what the court is going to do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPPKJMHkjcI&t=29s

    70% don't want to overturn Roe, about the same don't want the ACA's protections repealed.

    I don’t give a shit about Roe, it’s overrated completely to fool people on the Left and Right,but if it’s repealed, all it does is transfer abortion law to the states. If some states want to ban it and you want abortions nearby, move if it’s so important.