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Djouvensky Schlenbaker, 2022 3* RB, Bellingham (Squalicum), WA (Offered)
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I'm with you as far as McGrew having the best insticts between the tackles and being overall pretty productive. But he does fizzle out after 20 yards. I think his longest TD run, like 45 or 50 yards, was against BYU. Haven't seen that against quality P5 competition.Baseman said:
There's being caught from behind and there is being caught from the angle. I haven't seen McGrew caught from behind once where he had a clear lane and the secondary player didn't have an angle. Ahmed was a home threat but what did he break? 2 long runs in his career? (SC is one) When you run between the tackles you have to get through traffic which slows you down. McGrew isn't going to dance and wait for the homerun, he's going to get his yards getting through the hole and finding the second level. He's not doing it on toss sweeps it's between the tackles.RoadDawg55 said:
He gets caught from behind quite a bit. When he committed, I thought he would be a home run threat. He’s not.Baseman said:
There you go again.backthepack said:
Im not sucking off Davis? I think he could be good. I don’t think we’re beating anyone good with a midget that runs 4.6 getting a decent amount of carries.Baseman said:
Another shit take.backthepack said:
He honestly just kinda sucks.Kingdome_Urinals said:
He's a good little scatback with good hands. He would pick up a lot of yards on draw plays and check down screens. More space for him to maneuver. He is ill fitted to what UW has been doing.RoadDawg55 said:
He wouldn’t see the field.Kingdome_Urinals said:
McGrew would actually thrive at WSU.FireCohen said:
I remember when we were making fun of the cougs for taking a white RB, but the kid can play and catch extremely well out of the backfield. I think he will make an NFL roster one dayRoadDawg55 said:
They are incredibly dumb if they don’t use Borghi heavily. PGOS and I have been on the Borghi bandwagon for years.haie said:
I think they're going to be a lot more balanced as Leach's players graduate out.AtomicDawg said:I like this kid as an athlete. I am not sure I like him at tailback. And he is committed to a school that doesn’t run the damn ball. Either way it will be I retesting.
He’s really good tho. I saw him truck Hufunga from USC a few years ago. He should and would be an All Conference RB if they actually use him.
McGrew has averaged 5.8 ypc on 98 attempts the past two years. He produces when he plays. He's no pussy, getting most of his yards inside the tackles. You don't see him dance around for 1yd. He's plant and go. He should get the majority of the carries until he proves he can't. ( He won't.)
Cam Davis: 4.3 ypc avg on 17 attempts. He hasn't done shit. A 4-star TBS special, so of course he's better. Maybe he is but i'll wait until I see it before I crown him.
McGrew ran a 4.38 at the Nike opening, 4.49 at the most recent combine and a 4.03 Pro agility, tops among the RBs
He ran a 10.56 100 at the California HS State Track Championship, good enough for 2nd place.
He's not slow.
Very rare for a running back to rip off a homerun unless it's a well blocked wide sweep or the defenders completely whiff inside (rare)
He ranks well among Pac 12 rushers. His longest run is only 27 yards which makes his average that more impressive. He doesn't have an 80 yard run inflate his average. Scheme has a lot to do with explosiveness. TBS Darling Austin Jones has one of the lower AYPC. 5 star Stephen Carr is near the bottom.
McGrew lead the conference in TD per rush @ 10%. That's a homerun threat, even if in the red-zone
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Kaufman was not much of a contributor on the 91 team at fb as I remember the majority of his carries came once we throttled teams. Once Bryant got hurt he took over as the dude the next year.TTJ said:
You’re cherry picking.Baseman said:Washington's biggest bowl wins were all with solid but not great RBs. 1984 Orange Bowl (J. Robinson) 1992 Rose Bowl (Barry and Bryant) 2001 Rose Bowl (Rich Alexis and Willie Hurst) Total NFL carries for this group: 0.
‘85: Jacques Robinson, RICK FENNEY
‘92: Beno Bryant, Jay Barry, NAPOLEON KAUFMAN
‘01: Willie Hurst, Braxton Cleman, Rich Alexis, Paul Arnold
These are three of the best RB rooms UW has ever seen. Fenney and Kaufman both had long NFL careers.
I remember watching many blowouts excited for him to get carries on the prime sports Sunday night replay. Can’t speak to the 84 team. -
Uh...excuse me?Kingdome_Urinals said:
I'm with you as far as McGrew having the best insticts between the tackles and being overall pretty productive. But he does fizzle out after 20 yards. I think his longest TD run, like 45 or 50 yards, was against BYU. Haven't seen that against quality P5 competition.Baseman said:
There's being caught from behind and there is being caught from the angle. I haven't seen McGrew caught from behind once where he had a clear lane and the secondary player didn't have an angle. Ahmed was a home threat but what did he break? 2 long runs in his career? (SC is one) When you run between the tackles you have to get through traffic which slows you down. McGrew isn't going to dance and wait for the homerun, he's going to get his yards getting through the hole and finding the second level. He's not doing it on toss sweeps it's between the tackles.RoadDawg55 said:
He gets caught from behind quite a bit. When he committed, I thought he would be a home run threat. He’s not.Baseman said:
There you go again.backthepack said:
Im not sucking off Davis? I think he could be good. I don’t think we’re beating anyone good with a midget that runs 4.6 getting a decent amount of carries.Baseman said:
Another shit take.backthepack said:
He honestly just kinda sucks.Kingdome_Urinals said:
He's a good little scatback with good hands. He would pick up a lot of yards on draw plays and check down screens. More space for him to maneuver. He is ill fitted to what UW has been doing.RoadDawg55 said:
He wouldn’t see the field.Kingdome_Urinals said:
McGrew would actually thrive at WSU.FireCohen said:
I remember when we were making fun of the cougs for taking a white RB, but the kid can play and catch extremely well out of the backfield. I think he will make an NFL roster one dayRoadDawg55 said:
They are incredibly dumb if they don’t use Borghi heavily. PGOS and I have been on the Borghi bandwagon for years.haie said:
I think they're going to be a lot more balanced as Leach's players graduate out.AtomicDawg said:I like this kid as an athlete. I am not sure I like him at tailback. And he is committed to a school that doesn’t run the damn ball. Either way it will be I retesting.
He’s really good tho. I saw him truck Hufunga from USC a few years ago. He should and would be an All Conference RB if they actually use him.
McGrew has averaged 5.8 ypc on 98 attempts the past two years. He produces when he plays. He's no pussy, getting most of his yards inside the tackles. You don't see him dance around for 1yd. He's plant and go. He should get the majority of the carries until he proves he can't. ( He won't.)
Cam Davis: 4.3 ypc avg on 17 attempts. He hasn't done shit. A 4-star TBS special, so of course he's better. Maybe he is but i'll wait until I see it before I crown him.
McGrew ran a 4.38 at the Nike opening, 4.49 at the most recent combine and a 4.03 Pro agility, tops among the RBs
He ran a 10.56 100 at the California HS State Track Championship, good enough for 2nd place.
He's not slow.
Very rare for a running back to rip off a homerun unless it's a well blocked wide sweep or the defenders completely whiff inside (rare)
He ranks well among Pac 12 rushers. His longest run is only 27 yards which makes his average that more impressive. He doesn't have an 80 yard run inflate his average. Scheme has a lot to do with explosiveness. TBS Darling Austin Jones has one of the lower AYPC. 5 star Stephen Carr is near the bottom.
McGrew lead the conference in TD per rush @ 10%. That's a homerun threat, even if in the red-zone
BYU will play anyone u consider "quality P5 competition" and they'll do it anytime, anywhere! They LET Coastal Carolina win so that all the big boys won't be scared next year. -
This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB -
96 is the best room. Dillon and Sheehee.TTJ said:
You’re cherry picking.Baseman said:Washington's biggest bowl wins were all with solid but not great RBs. 1984 Orange Bowl (J. Robinson) 1992 Rose Bowl (Barry and Bryant) 2001 Rose Bowl (Rich Alexis and Willie Hurst) Total NFL carries for this group: 0.
‘85: Jacques Robinson, RICK FENNEY
‘92: Beno Bryant, Jay Barry, NAPOLEON KAUFMAN
‘01: Willie Hurst, Braxton Cleman, Rich Alexis, Paul Arnold
These are three of the best RB rooms UW has ever seen. Fenney and Kaufman both had long NFL careers. -
And all it got us was a holiday bowl participation ribbon and ass raping from notre dame and Colorado.RoadDawg55 said:
96 is the best room. Dillon and Sheehee.TTJ said:
You’re cherry picking.Baseman said:Washington's biggest bowl wins were all with solid but not great RBs. 1984 Orange Bowl (J. Robinson) 1992 Rose Bowl (Barry and Bryant) 2001 Rose Bowl (Rich Alexis and Willie Hurst) Total NFL carries for this group: 0.
‘85: Jacques Robinson, RICK FENNEY
‘92: Beno Bryant, Jay Barry, NAPOLEON KAUFMAN
‘01: Willie Hurst, Braxton Cleman, Rich Alexis, Paul Arnold
These are three of the best RB rooms UW has ever seen. Fenney and Kaufman both had long NFL careers.
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Clearly.RoadDawg55 said:
96 is the best room. Dillon and Sheehee.TTJ said:
You’re cherry picking.Baseman said:Washington's biggest bowl wins were all with solid but not great RBs. 1984 Orange Bowl (J. Robinson) 1992 Rose Bowl (Barry and Bryant) 2001 Rose Bowl (Rich Alexis and Willie Hurst) Total NFL carries for this group: 0.
‘85: Jacques Robinson, RICK FENNEY
‘92: Beno Bryant, Jay Barry, NAPOLEON KAUFMAN
‘01: Willie Hurst, Braxton Cleman, Rich Alexis, Paul Arnold
These are three of the best RB rooms UW has ever seen. Fenney and Kaufman both had long NFL careers. -
I agree that getting positive yards when it’s not blocked perfectly is more important, but big runs for TD’s are huge. We absolutely are missing that and McGrew is not a home run threat. I’ve seen him caught from behind on kickoff returns as well.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB -
McGrew would have to actually get past his wedge to get caught from behind on kickoffs. He's perhaps the worst kickoff returner I've ever seen, but he's great at reading his blocks and getting yards as a running back. Two very different skills.RoadDawg55 said:
I agree that getting positive yards when it’s not blocked perfectly is more important, but big runs for TD’s are huge. We absolutely are missing that and McGrew is not a home run threat. I’ve seen him caught from behind on kickoff returns as well.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB -
Those plays can win games you're otherwise losing and they bury teams that were otherwise hanging around. Having someone getting touches out of the backfield who is a legit threat to house it is an important consideration. It's not a deal breaker for any one running back. It's just a weapon I think you should always have.RoadDawg55 said:
I agree that getting positive yards when it’s not blocked perfectly is more important, but big runs for TD’s are huge. We absolutely are missing that and McGrew is not a home run threat. I’ve seen him caught from behind on kickoff returns as well.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB -
NEsnake12 said:
I think people are chasing the dragon a bit because of Myles Gaskin. We were spoiled having him for 4 years, and people like Fudgie really want one of the 47 RBs on the roster to break away from the pack and be the next Gaskin. So Fudgie is putting down McGrew, who’s a genuinely good but not elite player, because we already know he isn’t ever going to be Gaskin. Then he can Doog it up about the unproven RBs because there’s a small chance that they could be a diamond in the rough.
I agree that’s it’s frustrating to give a ton of carries to McGrew/Pleasant/Newton when the younger guys like Cam Davis have shown occasional flashes. But those established guys are still solid players, and the likelihood is that the young guys aren’t going any better than them. If they were, then they’d be getting a ton of carries over established guys like Gaskin did early on.
Blame KB for missing on all the big time RB recruits, but I don’t think he plays objectively worse players just because they’ve been around longer.
If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with.
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Thanks for making my point. Fudge: “we’re not winning a NY6 without an NFL guy at RB”TTJ said:
You’re cherry picking.Baseman said:Washington's biggest bowl wins were all with solid but not great RBs. 1984 Orange Bowl (J. Robinson) 1992 Rose Bowl (Barry and Bryant) 2001 Rose Bowl (Rich Alexis and Willie Hurst) Total NFL carries for this group: 0.
‘85: Jacques Robinson, RICK FENNEY
‘92: Beno Bryant, Jay Barry, NAPOLEON KAUFMAN
‘01: Willie Hurst, Braxton Cleman, Rich Alexis, Paul Arnold
These are three of the best RB rooms UW has ever seen. Fenney and Kaufman both had long NFL careers.
1985: 7-5. Won Freedom Bowl (lost multiple defensive starters off Orange Bowl Champs)
1992: 9-3 Lost Rose bowl (Lost Stan Empterman and Billy Joe Hobart. Dana Hall, 3 additional defensive starters)
2001: 8-4 Lost Holiday Bowl (Lost Tui)
Key Trends: lost elite college QBs and defensive stalwarts.
All those great NFL RBS couldn’t deliver an NY6 Bowl win.
1996: 9-3 Lost Holiday Bowl
Only two UW NY6 winning teams with a star running back:
Joe Steele in the 1978 Rose Bowl. Steele missed more than half the game due to injury. A mobile QB named Warren Moon delivered the goods and Washington’s TUFF defense stopped Michigan.
Greg Lewis in the 1991 Rosebowl. Lewis got help from a mobile Mark Brunel and the Stan Empterman, et all led elite defense.
Neither Steele or Lewis had notable NFL careers. -
You should warn Saban, Swinney, and Ryan Day about this weird obsession. Maybe they would stop getting the top RBs who can house it from 60 yards while also falling forward for extra yards, etc., don't forget the body lean.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB
Bottom line for a CFP/NY6 program is that you have guys who can shorten drives with long ass plays from EVERY skill position. Especially against winning P5 programs, not to mention elite programs.
People think think Myles wasn't a guy who could "house it." He absolutely was. Two TD runs of 80+, multiple TD runs over 40 including 65 against PSU in crunch time under the bright lights. You need a RB like that every season.
McGrew is not that guy. He gets caught from behind in the open field. Plus he can't break tackles or shed defenders.
He was a 100 meter guy who somehow can't accelerate when he's at the third level. Good back, solid production, but not. good. enough. IMO. -
UW had Hugh Mcillhaney lol a NFL hall of famer and Don Heinrich a legit NFL star at quarterback for the Giants and their best year at UW was 7 and 3
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Completely missing the pointKingdome_Urinals said:
You should warn Saban, Swinney, and Ryan Day about this weird obsession. Maybe they would stop getting the top RBs who can house it from 60 yards while also falling forward for extra yards, etc., don't forget the body lean.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB
Bottom line for a CFP/NY6 program is that you have guys who can shorten drives with long ass plays from EVERY skill position. Especially against winning P5 programs, not to mention elite programs.
People think think Myles wasn't a guy who could "house it." He absolutely was. Two TD runs of 80+, multiple TD runs over 40 including 65 against PSU in crunch time under the bright lights. You need a RB like that every season.
McGrew is not that guy. He gets caught from behind in the open field. Plus he can't break tackles or shed defenders.
He was a 100 meter guy who somehow can't accelerate when he's at the third level. Good back, solid production, but not. good. enough. IMO.
You obviously would love to have someone with breakaway speed ... but even with your point on Myles, those instances are a very small fraction of his overall number of carries.
The reality is that those that combine ALL of the traits are relatively rare. You absolutely want those players and you're right in that players that can bust big plays and shorten drives with quick scores is a great luxury. But you don't HAVE TO HAVE one of those players to win at a high level.
The great example to me is Emmitt Smith ... particularly in the NFL, after his first couple of years he rarely had what you'd consider long carries. One year he had over 1300 yards on the ground with a long of 32 yards for the season. But he just bullied the crap out of you getting 3, 4, 5 yards every single carry.
It's a long way of saying that there's more that goes into being a successful RB besides what one's 40 time is. -
Greg Lewis ran a 4.6 and got “hawked” in the secondary, often…..on his way to winning the Doak Walker awardTequilla said:
Completely missing the pointKingdome_Urinals said:
You should warn Saban, Swinney, and Ryan Day about this weird obsession. Maybe they would stop getting the top RBs who can house it from 60 yards while also falling forward for extra yards, etc., don't forget the body lean.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB
Bottom line for a CFP/NY6 program is that you have guys who can shorten drives with long ass plays from EVERY skill position. Especially against winning P5 programs, not to mention elite programs.
People think think Myles wasn't a guy who could "house it." He absolutely was. Two TD runs of 80+, multiple TD runs over 40 including 65 against PSU in crunch time under the bright lights. You need a RB like that every season.
McGrew is not that guy. He gets caught from behind in the open field. Plus he can't break tackles or shed defenders.
He was a 100 meter guy who somehow can't accelerate when he's at the third level. Good back, solid production, but not. good. enough. IMO.
You obviously would love to have someone with breakaway speed ... but even with your point on Myles, those instances are a very small fraction of his overall number of carries.
The reality is that those that combine ALL of the traits are relatively rare. You absolutely want those players and you're right in that players that can bust big plays and shorten drives with quick scores is a great luxury. But you don't HAVE TO HAVE one of those players to win at a high level.
The great example to me is Emmitt Smith ... particularly in the NFL, after his first couple of years he rarely had what you'd consider long carries. One year he had over 1300 yards on the ground with a long of 32 yards for the season. But he just bullied the crap out of you getting 3, 4, 5 yards every single carry.
It's a long way of saying that there's more that goes into being a successful RB besides what one's 40 time is.
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Baseman said:
Greg Lewis ran a 4.6 and got “hawked” in the secondary, often…..on his way to winning the Doak Walker awardTequilla said:
Completely missing the pointKingdome_Urinals said:
You should warn Saban, Swinney, and Ryan Day about this weird obsession. Maybe they would stop getting the top RBs who can house it from 60 yards while also falling forward for extra yards, etc., don't forget the body lean.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB
Bottom line for a CFP/NY6 program is that you have guys who can shorten drives with long ass plays from EVERY skill position. Especially against winning P5 programs, not to mention elite programs.
People think think Myles wasn't a guy who could "house it." He absolutely was. Two TD runs of 80+, multiple TD runs over 40 including 65 against PSU in crunch time under the bright lights. You need a RB like that every season.
McGrew is not that guy. He gets caught from behind in the open field. Plus he can't break tackles or shed defenders.
He was a 100 meter guy who somehow can't accelerate when he's at the third level. Good back, solid production, but not. good. enough. IMO.
You obviously would love to have someone with breakaway speed ... but even with your point on Myles, those instances are a very small fraction of his overall number of carries.
The reality is that those that combine ALL of the traits are relatively rare. You absolutely want those players and you're right in that players that can bust big plays and shorten drives with quick scores is a great luxury. But you don't HAVE TO HAVE one of those players to win at a high level.
The great example to me is Emmitt Smith ... particularly in the NFL, after his first couple of years he rarely had what you'd consider long carries. One year he had over 1300 yards on the ground with a long of 32 yards for the season. But he just bullied the crap out of you getting 3, 4, 5 yards every single carry.
It's a long way of saying that there's more that goes into being a successful RB besides what one's 40 time is.
Greg Lewis ran a 4.6 and got “hawked” in the secondary, often…..on his way to leaving his knee on Husky Stadium turf. -
Oops accidental multiple Quote post.
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NFL running game examples don't fit for what RB's can get done in college. The quality of defenses in D-1 is heavily diluted compared to the NFL. In fact, the biggest difference between the NFL and college is simply the heavy concentration and even distribution of elite defensive talent in the pros.Tequilla said:
Completely missing the pointKingdome_Urinals said:
You should warn Saban, Swinney, and Ryan Day about this weird obsession. Maybe they would stop getting the top RBs who can house it from 60 yards while also falling forward for extra yards, etc., don't forget the body lean.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB
Bottom line for a CFP/NY6 program is that you have guys who can shorten drives with long ass plays from EVERY skill position. Especially against winning P5 programs, not to mention elite programs.
People think think Myles wasn't a guy who could "house it." He absolutely was. Two TD runs of 80+, multiple TD runs over 40 including 65 against PSU in crunch time under the bright lights. You need a RB like that every season.
McGrew is not that guy. He gets caught from behind in the open field. Plus he can't break tackles or shed defenders.
He was a 100 meter guy who somehow can't accelerate when he's at the third level. Good back, solid production, but not. good. enough. IMO.
You obviously would love to have someone with breakaway speed ... but even with your point on Myles, those instances are a very small fraction of his overall number of carries.
The reality is that those that combine ALL of the traits are relatively rare. You absolutely want those players and you're right in that players that can bust big plays and shorten drives with quick scores is a great luxury. But you don't HAVE TO HAVE one of those players to win at a high level.
The great example to me is Emmitt Smith ... particularly in the NFL, after his first couple of years he rarely had what you'd consider long carries. One year he had over 1300 yards on the ground with a long of 32 yards for the season. But he just bullied the crap out of you getting 3, 4, 5 yards every single carry.
It's a long way of saying that there's more that goes into being a successful RB besides what one's 40 time is.
How often do NFL offenses score 45 points? Rarely. That's because the 11 bodies on the other side are so sudden, violent, and well-coached, not because the offenses suck.
Bottom line, in college a single running back can account for so much offensive productivity that CFP/NY6 programs should not be settling for 4 yards a carry.
A truly good, meaning certainly better than average back, should be getting 5.5-6.5 ypc with several runs over 30 yards and at least two to three over 40 yards.
You don't necessarily need track speed to do that. To win big in college (at least in c2020) you still need an RB who is breaking off long runs. I can't think of a CFP contender that didn't have at least one or two guys who could house it from long distance.
Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Ohio St., Auburn, UW, even Oregon.
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Yes, the NFL and college games are different … nothing new thereKingdome_Urinals said:
NFL running game examples don't fit for what RB's can get done in college. The quality of defenses in D-1 is heavily diluted compared to the NFL. In fact, the biggest difference between the NFL and college is simply the heavy concentration and even distribution of elite defensive talent in the pros.Tequilla said:
Completely missing the pointKingdome_Urinals said:
You should warn Saban, Swinney, and Ryan Day about this weird obsession. Maybe they would stop getting the top RBs who can house it from 60 yards while also falling forward for extra yards, etc., don't forget the body lean.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB
Bottom line for a CFP/NY6 program is that you have guys who can shorten drives with long ass plays from EVERY skill position. Especially against winning P5 programs, not to mention elite programs.
People think think Myles wasn't a guy who could "house it." He absolutely was. Two TD runs of 80+, multiple TD runs over 40 including 65 against PSU in crunch time under the bright lights. You need a RB like that every season.
McGrew is not that guy. He gets caught from behind in the open field. Plus he can't break tackles or shed defenders.
He was a 100 meter guy who somehow can't accelerate when he's at the third level. Good back, solid production, but not. good. enough. IMO.
You obviously would love to have someone with breakaway speed ... but even with your point on Myles, those instances are a very small fraction of his overall number of carries.
The reality is that those that combine ALL of the traits are relatively rare. You absolutely want those players and you're right in that players that can bust big plays and shorten drives with quick scores is a great luxury. But you don't HAVE TO HAVE one of those players to win at a high level.
The great example to me is Emmitt Smith ... particularly in the NFL, after his first couple of years he rarely had what you'd consider long carries. One year he had over 1300 yards on the ground with a long of 32 yards for the season. But he just bullied the crap out of you getting 3, 4, 5 yards every single carry.
It's a long way of saying that there's more that goes into being a successful RB besides what one's 40 time is.
How often do NFL offenses score 45 points? Rarely. That's because the 11 bodies on the other side are so sudden, violent, and well-coached, not because the offenses suck.
Bottom line, in college a single running back can account for so much offensive productivity that CFP/NY6 programs should not be settling for 4 yards a carry.
A truly good, meaning certainly better than average back, should be getting 5.5-6.5 ypc with several runs over 30 yards and at least two to three over 40 yards.
You don't necessarily need track speed to do that. To win big in college (at least in c2020) you still need an RB who is breaking off long runs. I can't think of a CFP contender that didn't have at least one or two guys who could house it from long distance.
Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Ohio St., Auburn, UW, even Oregon.
Again, missing my point though
At the top end, the game changes. I don’t care about a RB that can straight line against Arizona … what I care about is how the RB plays against Oregon/USC/Ohio St, etc
In other words, how do you perform when the talent gap between teams is either normalized OR you’re operating at a slight disadvantage
As for the NFL and points scored, much of that comes down to pure volume … there are more plays/drives in the college game comparatively to the NFL game. The NFL game you’re generally looking at around 60-70 plays per game and maybe 9-10 drives. -
No, you are attempting to reinforce a point you never made to act like you're in control of the argument. The difference in running games between college and pros absolutely depends on the comparative quality of defensive talent more than any other factor.Tequilla said:
Yes, the NFL and college games are different … nothing new thereKingdome_Urinals said:
NFL running game examples don't fit for what RB's can get done in college. The quality of defenses in D-1 is heavily diluted compared to the NFL. In fact, the biggest difference between the NFL and college is simply the heavy concentration and even distribution of elite defensive talent in the pros.Tequilla said:
Completely missing the pointKingdome_Urinals said:
You should warn Saban, Swinney, and Ryan Day about this weird obsession. Maybe they would stop getting the top RBs who can house it from 60 yards while also falling forward for extra yards, etc., don't forget the body lean.Tequilla said:This obsession with breakaway speed and taking it to the house is overrated … you can count on one hand the number of times this is even in playing during the year
When it’s there you obviously want it to go the distance
That said, I want the RB that turns no gain into 3, 2 into 6, has the balance and body lean to always fall forward. Those incremental yards are really the difference between a good and average/bad RB
Bottom line for a CFP/NY6 program is that you have guys who can shorten drives with long ass plays from EVERY skill position. Especially against winning P5 programs, not to mention elite programs.
People think think Myles wasn't a guy who could "house it." He absolutely was. Two TD runs of 80+, multiple TD runs over 40 including 65 against PSU in crunch time under the bright lights. You need a RB like that every season.
McGrew is not that guy. He gets caught from behind in the open field. Plus he can't break tackles or shed defenders.
He was a 100 meter guy who somehow can't accelerate when he's at the third level. Good back, solid production, but not. good. enough. IMO.
You obviously would love to have someone with breakaway speed ... but even with your point on Myles, those instances are a very small fraction of his overall number of carries.
The reality is that those that combine ALL of the traits are relatively rare. You absolutely want those players and you're right in that players that can bust big plays and shorten drives with quick scores is a great luxury. But you don't HAVE TO HAVE one of those players to win at a high level.
The great example to me is Emmitt Smith ... particularly in the NFL, after his first couple of years he rarely had what you'd consider long carries. One year he had over 1300 yards on the ground with a long of 32 yards for the season. But he just bullied the crap out of you getting 3, 4, 5 yards every single carry.
It's a long way of saying that there's more that goes into being a successful RB besides what one's 40 time is.
How often do NFL offenses score 45 points? Rarely. That's because the 11 bodies on the other side are so sudden, violent, and well-coached, not because the offenses suck.
Bottom line, in college a single running back can account for so much offensive productivity that CFP/NY6 programs should not be settling for 4 yards a carry.
A truly good, meaning certainly better than average back, should be getting 5.5-6.5 ypc with several runs over 30 yards and at least two to three over 40 yards.
You don't necessarily need track speed to do that. To win big in college (at least in c2020) you still need an RB who is breaking off long runs. I can't think of a CFP contender that didn't have at least one or two guys who could house it from long distance.
Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Ohio St., Auburn, UW, even Oregon.
Again, missing my point though
At the top end, the game changes. I don’t care about a RB that can straight line against Arizona … what I care about is how the RB plays against Oregon/USC/Ohio St, etc
In other words, how do you perform when the talent gap between teams is either normalized OR you’re operating at a slight disadvantage
As for the NFL and points scored, much of that comes down to pure volume … there are more plays/drives in the college game comparatively to the NFL game. The NFL game you’re generally looking at around 60-70 plays per game and maybe 9-10 drives.
Back in the '90s Corey Dillon carried over 40 times in one NFL game. Nowadays, that would never happen. RBs can't average 20 carries a game, and the "feature back" is largely gone. This is primarily owing to the increase in training and conditioning of NFL defenders.
The physical wear and tear is too much. Not in college.
Also, those CFP programs are ripping off long gainers against comparable teams in big games. Bo Scarborough going 80 against UW and putting that game away against a great D...
