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I'll be interested to know how many of that 59% sticks. Not saying we should be banking on decommitments, but no doubt there's going to be many.FremontTroll said:
Its a bad take because 59% of the top 300 ranked recruits are committed. June is the new December.CallMeBigErn said:
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.DoogWhisperer said:
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
💯greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die. -
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?CallMeBigErn said:
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.greenblood said:
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
💯greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama. -
But Jimmy is banking on decommitmentsCallMeBigErn said:
I'll be interested to know how many of that 59% sticks. Not saying we should be banking on decommitments, but no doubt there's going to be many.FremontTroll said:
Its a bad take because 59% of the top 300 ranked recruits are committed. June is the new December.CallMeBigErn said:
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.DoogWhisperer said:
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
💯greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die. -
Clearly I'm not talking about last minute signing day commitments, but go ahead.UDubHusky23 said:
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?CallMeBigErn said:
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.greenblood said:
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
💯greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama. -
Is he?greenblood said:
But Jimmy is banking on decommitmentsCallMeBigErn said:
I'll be interested to know how many of that 59% sticks. Not saying we should be banking on decommitments, but no doubt there's going to be many.FremontTroll said:
Its a bad take because 59% of the top 300 ranked recruits are committed. June is the new December.CallMeBigErn said:
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.DoogWhisperer said:
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
💯greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die. -
Finishing strong usually implies you get kids in the end. Just saying.CallMeBigErn said:
Clearly I'm not talking about signing day commitments, but go ahead.UDubHusky23 said:
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?CallMeBigErn said:
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.greenblood said:
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
💯greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama. -
I meant the last 5-6 months of recruiting cycles.UDubHusky23 said:
Finishing strong usually implies you get kids in the end. Just saying.CallMeBigErn said:
Clearly I'm not talking about signing day commitments, but go ahead.UDubHusky23 said:
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?CallMeBigErn said:
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.greenblood said:
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
💯greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama. -
According to Sonics, he is.CallMeBigErn said:
Is he?greenblood said:
But Jimmy is banking on decommitmentsCallMeBigErn said:
I'll be interested to know how many of that 59% sticks. Not saying we should be banking on decommitments, but no doubt there's going to be many.FremontTroll said:
Its a bad take because 59% of the top 300 ranked recruits are committed. June is the new December.CallMeBigErn said:
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.DoogWhisperer said:
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
💯greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
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Besides that Latu and Puka class i don't remember us ever finishing well towards the end. I think we start off strong, take a break during the spring and rack up commitments before sept. But I don't remember killing it towards the endCallMeBigErn said:
I meant the last 5-6 months of recruiting cycles.UDubHusky23 said:
Finishing strong usually implies you get kids in the end. Just saying.CallMeBigErn said:
Clearly I'm not talking about signing day commitments, but go ahead.UDubHusky23 said:
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?CallMeBigErn said:
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.greenblood said:
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
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COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
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Please correct me if I'm wrong. But besides that Latu and Puka class I don't remember closing well in the last few months. I know we start off well, take a huge break in spring, rack up commitments before september and basically try and close out the few spots we have openCallMeBigErn said:
I meant the last 5-6 months of recruiting cycles.UDubHusky23 said:
Finishing strong usually implies you get kids in the end. Just saying.CallMeBigErn said:
Clearly I'm not talking about signing day commitments, but go ahead.UDubHusky23 said:
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?CallMeBigErn said:
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.greenblood said:
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.CallMeBigErn said:
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.dirtysouwfdawg said:
💯greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.1to392831weretaken said:
Okay, now I see where you're going.UDubHusky23 said:
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.1to392831weretaken said:
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...UDubHusky23 said:
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.1to392831weretaken said:
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?UDubHusky23 said:
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?sonics1993 said:
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.DoogDawg said:
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!sonics1993 said:Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
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It was foolish to think that UW was Franklin’s favorite. He liked us early. I said all along we weren’t getting him. If you want to bash UW coaches, that’s fine, but it was all over the second Sub K taped Franklin’s name on the jersey.
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It was over when Pete left. Franklin's mom loved PeteRoadDawg55 said:It was foolish to think that UW was Franklin’s favorite. He liked us early. I said all along we weren’t getting him. If you want to bash UW coaches, that’s fine, but it was all over the second Sub K taped Franklin’s name on the jersey.
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Disagree. Sub K made Franklin hate UW.UDubHusky23 said:
It was over when Pete left. Franklin's mom loved PeteRoadDawg55 said:It was foolish to think that UW was Franklin’s favorite. He liked us early. I said all along we weren’t getting him. If you want to bash UW coaches, that’s fine, but it was all over the second Sub K taped Franklin’s name on the jersey.
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Loves Pete and then lets her son go to the Anti-Pete. Nice.UDubHusky23 said:
It was over when Pete left. Franklin's mom loved PeteRoadDawg55 said:It was foolish to think that UW was Franklin’s favorite. He liked us early. I said all along we weren’t getting him. If you want to bash UW coaches, that’s fine, but it was all over the second Sub K taped Franklin’s name on the jersey.
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even hugh millen let his son go to oregon. Gotta let the kids make the decisions.CallMeBigErn said:
Loves Pete and then lets her son go to the Anti-Pete. Nice.UDubHusky23 said:
It was over when Pete left. Franklin's mom loved PeteRoadDawg55 said:It was foolish to think that UW was Franklin’s favorite. He liked us early. I said all along we weren’t getting him. If you want to bash UW coaches, that’s fine, but it was all over the second Sub K taped Franklin’s name on the jersey.
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Also, Jimmy fucked up by not being more outspoken about George Floyd and police brutality . He’s a young, Black coach in one of the most liberal cities in the country, why the fuck isn’t he leading this movement in college football. He let a conservative Cuban and A weird white dude who wears khakis become the leaders of it. Don’t you think recruits notice that?
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I know we're grasping at straws here, but that is a terrible take.DoogWhisperer said:Also, Jimmy fucked up by not being more outspoken about George Floyd and police brutality . He’s a young, Black coach in one of the most liberal cities in the country, why the fuck isn’t he leading this movement in college football. He let a conservative Cuban and A weird white dude who wears khakis become the leaders of it. Don’t you think recruits notice that?
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A Troy franklin jersey lessssgooooooRoadDawg55 said:
Disagree. Sub K made Franklin hate UW.UDubHusky23 said:
It was over when Pete left. Franklin's mom loved PeteRoadDawg55 said:It was foolish to think that UW was Franklin’s favorite. He liked us early. I said all along we weren’t getting him. If you want to bash UW coaches, that’s fine, but it was all over the second Sub K taped Franklin’s name on the jersey.
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i stand with roadie on this.RoadDawg55 said:
Disagree. Sub K made Franklin hate UW.UDubHusky23 said:
It was over when Pete left. Franklin's mom loved PeteRoadDawg55 said:It was foolish to think that UW was Franklin’s favorite. He liked us early. I said all along we weren’t getting him. If you want to bash UW coaches, that’s fine, but it was all over the second Sub K taped Franklin’s name on the jersey.
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Not at all. You wouldn’t get it, thoughbananasnblondes said:
I know we're grasping at straws here, but that is a terrible take.DoogWhisperer said:Also, Jimmy fucked up by not being more outspoken about George Floyd and police brutality . He’s a young, Black coach in one of the most liberal cities in the country, why the fuck isn’t he leading this movement in college football. He let a conservative Cuban and A weird white dude who wears khakis become the leaders of it. Don’t you think recruits notice that?
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Roadie you’re insufferable aren’t ya buddy? Christ.
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This. Jimmy has failed at every fork in the road moment he has had so far.greenblood said:
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small. -
Also, morons, did you know you can delete all the shit you are not replying directly to so that this thread is still readable? Jerkfaces.
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Hey, let's cut people some slack. There are folks almost as old as Race on here. The fact they are able to fire up Windows 7, connect to AOL and navigate to this bored is a feat unto itself.Swaye said:Also, morons, did you know you can delete all the shit you are not replying directly to so that this thread is still readable? Jerkfaces.
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Queer. You one of those people on FB that's desperately trying to show how not racist you are by posting every self hating meme you see? "Look I can see that IAM the problem" "I don't understand, but I do stand with you"backthepack said:Roadie you’re insufferable aren’t ya buddy? Christ.
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Gundy? Is that you??rustysavage said:
Queer. You one of those people on FB that's desperately trying to show how not racist you are by posting every self hating meme you see? "Look I can see that IAM the problem" "I don't understand, but I do stand with you"backthepack said:Roadie you’re insufferable aren’t ya buddy? Christ.
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Just what I'm hearing out there, guys--keep it in the chat: Jimmy Lake sucks and is driving this program in a ditch before coaching a practice and his OC is an Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron and Bob Gregory should be selling life insurance in Montana. And it's unacceptable that these guys can't pull in a top-3 class.
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You’re a fucking weirdo if you still use facebookrustysavage said:
Queer. You one of those people on FB that's desperately trying to show how not racist you are by posting every self hating meme you see? "Look I can see that IAM the problem" "I don't understand, but I do stand with you"backthepack said:Roadie you’re insufferable aren’t ya buddy? Christ.
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It came out during my senior year of high school and is the only social media I have. Also the meaning of "use" is relative to each person I'd say. My last post dates to 2013 I believe.backthepack said:
You’re a fucking weirdo if you still use facebookrustysavage said:
Queer. You one of those people on FB that's desperately trying to show how not racist you are by posting every self hating meme you see? "Look I can see that IAM the problem" "I don't understand, but I do stand with you"backthepack said:Roadie you’re insufferable aren’t ya buddy? Christ.
Should I get insta or tik tok or whatever else? Those dont seem weird at all... Lol
@Quietcowskee Not Gundy, although I had a mullet for a summer that blew his out the water. I don't need to explain why I'm not racist because I've never been accused of that by anyone that I know, and that's enough for me. Including the 3 different black guys I've lived with, my black older brother who was adopted at age 11, the countless Mexicans I have worked with, and all of my teammates from basketball (which I played to the level of NCAA D-2).
