Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
It isn't the number of recruits, it's the quality.
Washington had 8 commits at this time last year with four 4 stars.
2019- 9 commits, four 4 stars
2018- 9 commits six four stars
This year UW has only has one 4 star or higher. I guess Kauo is a Rivals 4 star, but still.
And if some of those recruits gain an arbitrary 4th star later? Will you retroactively change your June diagnosis? What if those 3* guys are fucking ballers? Stars are great and all, but they aren't the be all end all. A high 3* (of which we have several in this class) is no different than most 4*, but you starfuckers definitely pass them off as inferior players.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
Exactly. The rules are the same for everyone. COVID isn’t isolated to Washington it is worldwide.
Fucking adapt and win instead of blaming the same thing that every fucking team is going through.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama.
This thread is like reading @Tequilla arguing with himself.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die.
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama.
To compare GA to bama is complete fuckery. Bama is in on guys who draw out the process. We MIGHT get two guys like that.
The sample size is big enough already to pass judgement and see we suck ass right now.
If we land the two left in WA the end result will be different but the facts will remain that our coaches are sucking teet right now and getting ass blasted by grellow and who ever else we're going against.
And yes, this place is always a reactionary bitch fest.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama.
To compare GA to bama is complete fuckery. Bama is in on guys who draw out the process. We MIGHT get two guys like that.
The point is class rankings/stars/commitments, which is all you're hung up on, matters fucking zilch in June.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
It isn't the number of recruits, it's the quality.
Washington had 8 commits at this time last year with four 4 stars.
2019- 9 commits, four 4 stars
2018- 9 commits six four stars
This year UW has only has one 4 star or higher. I guess Kauo is a Rivals 4 star, but still.
And if some of those recruits gain an arbitrary 4th star later? Will you retroactively change your June diagnosis? What if those 3* guys are fucking ballers?
Anybody can say that. Recruiting isn't dead on, but statistics show, you are much more likely to hit on a 4 or 5 star than you are a 3 star. If I remember right Patrick Chung was a 2 star talent. Those things happen, but if you're banking on even half of your three stars being "fucking ballers" that's a problem.
Even if the school has a penchant for developing 3* players into NFL draft picks? Like I added above, a high 3* is no different than most 4*. It's an arbitrary value that a drunk scout who has seen them once gives them. I don't get hung up on the stars. Watch the tape. Tunuufi as a 3* is fucking ridiculous, for example.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
It isn't the number of recruits, it's the quality.
Washington had 8 commits at this time last year with four 4 stars.
2019- 9 commits, four 4 stars
2018- 9 commits six four stars
This year UW has only has one 4 star or higher. I guess Kauo is a Rivals 4 star, but still.
And if some of those recruits gain an arbitrary 4th star later? Will you retroactively change your June diagnosis? What if those 3* guys are fucking ballers?
Anybody can say that. Recruiting isn't dead on, but statistics show, you are much more likely to hit on a 4 or 5 star than you are a 3 star. If I remember right Patrick Chung was a 2 star talent. Those things happen, but if you're banking on even half of your three stars being "fucking ballers" that's a problem.
Even if the school has a penchant for developing 3* players into NFL draft picks? Like I added above, a high 3* is no different than most 4*. It's an arbitrary value that a drunk scout who has seen them once gives them. I don't get hung up on the stars. Watch the tape. Tunuufi as a 3* is fucking ridiculous, for example.
I'm sure Pete had nothing to do with that...
Pete's gone. Can't develop anymore. Shut it all down.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die.
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.
Its a bad take because 59% of the top 300 ranked recruits are committed. June is the new December.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die.
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.
Its a bad take because 59% of the top 300 ranked recruits are committed. June is the new December.
I'll be interested to know how many of that 59% sticks. Not saying we should be banking on decommitments, but no doubt there's going to be many.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama.
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die.
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.
Its a bad take because 59% of the top 300 ranked recruits are committed. June is the new December.
I'll be interested to know how many of that 59% sticks. Not saying we should be banking on decommitments, but no doubt there's going to be many.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama.
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?
Clearly I'm not talking about last minute signing day commitments, but go ahead.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die.
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.
Its a bad take because 59% of the top 300 ranked recruits are committed. June is the new December.
I'll be interested to know how many of that 59% sticks. Not saying we should be banking on decommitments, but no doubt there's going to be many.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama.
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?
Clearly I'm not talking about signing day commitments, but go ahead.
Finishing strong usually implies you get kids in the end. Just saying.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama.
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?
Clearly I'm not talking about signing day commitments, but go ahead.
Finishing strong usually implies you get kids in the end. Just saying.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
The other teams that take OKGs (Wisconsin, Stanford, UCLA) are not having the same issues.
Soooo I like you big ern because you have good taste in women and you’re a Joey.
But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die.
So if we clean up down the stretch, land JTT and Emeka, and end with a top 10-15 class again, you're still not going to excuse their performance in June? Look, I'm all for flipping tables if the class sucks in December, but not now. Not seeing how this is a bad take. I don't even have a take. That's my point. The show ain't over. Jiminy Chrysler.
Its a bad take because 59% of the top 300 ranked recruits are committed. June is the new December.
I'll be interested to know how many of that 59% sticks. Not saying we should be banking on decommitments, but no doubt there's going to be many.
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama.
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?
Clearly I'm not talking about signing day commitments, but go ahead.
Finishing strong usually implies you get kids in the end. Just saying.
I meant the last 5-6 months of recruiting cycles.
Besides that Latu and Puka class i don't remember us ever finishing well towards the end. I think we start off strong, take a break during the spring and rack up commitments before sept. But I don't remember killing it towards the end
Talked to a couple different guys on the staff and neither of them are concerned about recruiting, in fact they like where they stand in recruiting. I made one of them repeat it because I couldn't believe it. They both told me that when things open back up, it's going to be insane and Washington will be in a very good place to deal with it. Both told me recruiting is a marathon not a sprint and believe come fall, they will flip a lot of these guys including Troy who they are still confident in. I want to believe but all my neutral sources aren't as optimistic so I got no clue how this ends.
Question Sonics: are the position coaches you talk to usually pretty straight up about things going on, whether good or bad? Or do they usually put a positive spin on it? Just wondering how realistic they are being. Thanks!
Honestly they are usually realistic but this year they have been completely off with some of the things they have said.
I have a question. If Jimmy and his staff are banking on decommitments why are they loading up on all these 3 star recruits? Will they be more willing to drop players if a highly rated kid decides they want to join later in the cycle?
Another reason I call BS on their flipping strategy. This staffs track record for actually fighting/scratching/clawing out recruiting battles is bad. Even with Pete, I can only think of Puka, Tuli, Asa, off the top of my head. The kids we have lost late either by giving up has been significantly higher.
A.) "This staff" started existing in December. Not complete until January. To what track record are you referring?
B.) The bolded part is a very small sample size. Petersen was the king of boring. They mostly had their classes sewn up early, with very little drama. Based off the trajectory of their recruiting, I think you just called them out for what many staffs are jealous of.
C.) My understanding is it took a zero hour marathon phone session to keep Byron Murphy in the fold. Ty Jones, too. I'm sure there are more that we don't know about.
A. The bulk of this class is the same as when Petersen was in charge. Im taking everyone who has been here since Pete.
B. Yes, Petersen usually had his classes wrapped up before Dec but this is not the case with Lake and Co. If what @sonics1993 has said is true they are hoping/banking on kids decommiting so that they can get them late or flip kids.
C. Two kids they had committed at the time. It an entirely different thing to have a kid decommit and flip to you late. This is what I am trying to get across. Its one thing to keep a guy committed but if your banking on your class to flip guys late it can get ugly. Usually the team that has the guy committed has the upper hand because its easier to keep a guy than flip. Who have we flipped besides a handful of guys? The guys we have flipped were usually due to late coaching changes in Puka and Tuli.
Yes, Petersen had his classes wrapped up early, but Lake and Co.'s last 12 classes were all last minute frantic dashes. Oh, that Lake and Co... I remember way back to one sentence earlier when you stated how they're the same people as when Petersen was here and therefore should be held to the same standard, but it's also true that Petersen and Co. are way different from the now long-tenured Lake and Co., who are totally not the same people as they were when they were the same people. Those were the days...
Why shouldn't this staff be held to a standard? According to Jimmy Lake they should be held to an even higher standard after he spout off in his opening press conference how competitive he was and how it was going to bleed into every aspect of his program starting with recruiting.
Yes, I am using Pete's tenure for a track record because the bulk of the staff is the same. The only changes are Derham Cato who was a supporting staff member for UW, Terrence brown who also used to be a supporting member and the ONLY new member outside the staff in JonDon. While Pete usually had his classes wrapped up going into December, Lake seems to be taking a totally different approach. Whether its because of COVID or another this staff for some reason lost its connection with the local recruits after preaching to a UW basketball crowd how important they were. We have @sonics1993 saying that Lake and co want to make their pitches in person and our selling strategy doesn't translate well over zoom. Well we are going to have a hell of a job by fighting for recruits to the end or flip these kids when our track record doesn't really bode well. when you include petes tenure. Not maintaining a recruitment but actually flipping kids.
Okay, now I see where you're going.
It's easy to see it as a cop-out, but COVID is a legit excuse for UW's pitch not working. Lake wanted to be aggressive in recruiting and change things up a bit, focusing more on NFL development vs. playing school, but he's still a Chris Petersen disciple, and, for better or for worse, you correctly point out he kept a largely Chris Petersen staff. We make fun of Operation Offer Drop because that's an Oregon thing and not a UW thing, but I think, when you boil it down in the age of COVID bullshit, a lot are saying, "Couldn't we just do Operation Offer Drop this year, when flash is all there is!?"
Just because Lake seems to want to tweak the recruiting pitch focus doesn't mean he didn't learn a few things about how to build a program, and I could see him sticking to a lot of Petersen's core principles. One of those was not taking weak commitments. You do not take a commitment from a kid that hasn't visited--with parents--or who plans to take more visits. What if it's as simple as Lake sticking to that while altering other bullshit messaging things? Sure, it could backfire bigly in the short term if on-campus visits never return, but it could pay huge dividends in a year where the normal rules don't seem to apply. We're all assuming these coaches are just fucking off all day and boating and drinking fancy coffee, but what if they're constantly in contact with these kids, being real with them, preaching the reciprocal commitment, and then one day visits open up and these kids--although "committed"--visit UW, talk to Lake, realize he was the only coach in the country who played them like anything but a used car salesman, and take it seriously?
It's turbo doog and wishful thinking and likely to backfire, but it's my theory right now, so I'm sticking to it.
COVID isn’t a legit excuse. You change and adapt. Jimmy should have changed his approach when visits were shut down. He hasn’t, and he’s paying for it now. If you own a restaurant when COVID hits and your competitors do take out but you don’t. You can’t blame COVID for you being on the brink of bankruptcy while your competitors are still operating and making a profit even if it’s small.
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@CallMeBigErn how in gods name do you have a negative reaction to this?
Because COVID absolutely affects UW's style of recruiting and it's fucking June. We start slow in non-virus years too, you know. The Jimmy slamming is so ignorant it makes my head spin. Just remember, he hasn't even held a practice yet. This is the ultimate example of let it fucking play out. This fanbase is turning the touchdown deficit game off in the 2nd quarter. Any "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" talk without a hint of nuance will earn my Fuck Off.
Is COVID affecting Jimmy's recruiting or isn't it? You're making conflicting points. I don't know what practices have to do with recruiting. Coaching college football involves coaching the players you have but also recruiting, and hiring staff. Jimmy can be a great on field/game day coach, but if he isn't recruiting or making good hires, he's only doing a third of the job well. And we haven't even seen his on field coaching yet, to even make that determination. So all we have to grade Jimmy, is his recent hires and recruiting. His hiring decisions have been questionable at best, and his recruiting has been sub par. To say Jimmy is better than underwhelming thus far sets a pretty high score on the doog meter.
My point is this regime has a history of starting off slow and finishing strong. If we graded Petersen's classes in May/June, they'd all fucking suck. COVID is just an added hindrance to how we recruit, which is built on family vibe and bringing recruits to practices/games and visits. We're not a program that sells with cyber sex. We sell with real sex. Yes, if we graded our class now, it wouldn't be great. Thankfully classes are signed in December and good things could be happening behind the scenes for all we know, which is fuckall. LIPO. I'm not passing judgement and freaking out until there's something to pass judgement and freak out on. This place is a reactionary bitchfest lately (always?). Misery loves company.
Georgia Tech has a higher rated class than Bama.
Wait a minute... besides the Laiatu Latu recruiting class/cycle.. when has UW finished strong?
Clearly I'm not talking about signing day commitments, but go ahead.
Finishing strong usually implies you get kids in the end. Just saying.
I meant the last 5-6 months of recruiting cycles.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. But besides that Latu and Puka class I don't remember closing well in the last few months. I know we start off well, take a huge break in spring, rack up commitments before september and basically try and close out the few spots we have open
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But your take is hot shit. Mizzo, sparty, miss st, BC, Baylor, noles, Rutgers and more all have one thing in common with udub, first yr head coaches. Another thing they all have in common... higher rates recruiting classes. Very warm for dec but fuck, inexcusable shit to this point.
The fact that he has not figured out, “oh shit, getting them here isn’t an option and I need to adapt” is beyond me.
Because I’m pour and don’t have an office at my house and have too many kids; I’ve been forced to put a desk and chair in my closet. In 90 days I’ve helped my reps close over 250k in annual contracts from MY FUCKING CLOSET IN MY UNDERWEAR.
You adapt or die.
Fucking adapt and win instead of blaming the same thing that every fucking team is going through.
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The sample size is big enough already to pass judgement and see we suck ass right now.
If we land the two left in WA the end result will be different but the facts will remain that our coaches are sucking teet right now and getting ass blasted by grellow and who ever else we're going against.
And yes, this place is always a reactionary bitch fest.
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