Black Lives Matter
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It stands for ArmaLite Rifle-15. What’s your point? How do you not know this, Housewife?BearsWiin said:
AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle POTDTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should. -
PART of the problem, yes. I'm down for free birth control.WestlinnDuck said:
It's not splitting hairs. Illegitimacy is the problem. It's a problem that no one on the left wants to deal with except for Planned Parenthood. How hard is it to get basically free birth control? White privilege is basically about the advantageous of a society of nuclear families.Baseman said:
I agree, single parents, white or black, naturally have a rougher go. You're splitting hairs, though, focusing on illegitimate kids. I'm talking about the bigger picture as a whole. Again, what you chose to do --if anything is up -- to you.WestlinnDuck said:I just hear that their life is harder. Sure, if you are a child of a single parent your life is going to be harder. That's true if you are black or white. I'd start with telling anyone who wants a better life for them and their kids is not to have kids until they are married, stay married, get a job and make sure your kids get an education. For some reason, I'm not hearing that coming from anyone on the nightly news of the "mostly peaceful protests". If you bring up the black illegitimacy rate that is per se racist in 2020 just as it was when Moynihan wrote about it in 1965. When abolishing the police is touted as a solution the touters ain't serious. When a black male can boast to his peer group about the amount the number of illegitimate kids he has - what is your solution on fixing that? What do I have to do with the death of George Floyd? I'm not a Minnesota democrat. I don't support the police union. I support tuition vouchers allowing those who want to to be able to escape the hell hole of the inner city school system. Destroying a culture is a lot easier than fixing a culture. Especially, when that culture wants to put the blame on someone else.
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Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should. -
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should. -
"I don't like the truth because it doesn't fit my narrative" POTDBearsWiin said:
AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle POTDTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should. -
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should. -
There is a PLSS joke here somewhere.Baseman said:
I saw that and stand corrected.Bendintheriver said:
I just finished a book on Malcolm X. Early on you are correct in his stance on violence against whitey but toward the end of his life he seemed to be advocating that violence only in cases of self defense.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Violence against whites when justifiedBaseman said:
He also called for violence against whites.RaceBannon said:Someday I may right a long self serving letter to America about how I am AGAINST racism
For now I'll say that even a shitty dad like me made a huge difference in our son's life simply by being there and showing that if you go to work every day you can provide for your family. His mama beat the bad out of him and every time the report came home I cringed. He told me his friend were saying he was acting white. I asked to speak to them since I did coach the 8th grade basketball team and knew them
I gave the America is not about black or white its about green speech that ranks second only to I have a dream. I said fellas the object is to make money and education helps that and if that is acting white then the Klan couldn't come up with a better plan to keep you down.
I also think Malcom X is 100 times better than today's so called Black leaders. He would never beg or ask to be equal. He knew he was. He didn't pine for integration he wanted Black business and power. He didn't need Whitey's permission.
I took a Black Studies class at UW in 1975 before most of you woke motherfuckers were born. We've been having a discussion about race for 50 years
Talk is cheap.
Just a point of clarification. -
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
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My grandmother was in a wheelchair but that's a story for the Autzen threadSwaye said:
There is a PLSS joke here somewhere.Baseman said:
I saw that and stand corrected.Bendintheriver said:
I just finished a book on Malcolm X. Early on you are correct in his stance on violence against whitey but toward the end of his life he seemed to be advocating that violence only in cases of self defense.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Violence against whites when justifiedBaseman said:
He also called for violence against whites.RaceBannon said:Someday I may right a long self serving letter to America about how I am AGAINST racism
For now I'll say that even a shitty dad like me made a huge difference in our son's life simply by being there and showing that if you go to work every day you can provide for your family. His mama beat the bad out of him and every time the report came home I cringed. He told me his friend were saying he was acting white. I asked to speak to them since I did coach the 8th grade basketball team and knew them
I gave the America is not about black or white its about green speech that ranks second only to I have a dream. I said fellas the object is to make money and education helps that and if that is acting white then the Klan couldn't come up with a better plan to keep you down.
I also think Malcom X is 100 times better than today's so called Black leaders. He would never beg or ask to be equal. He knew he was. He didn't pine for integration he wanted Black business and power. He didn't need Whitey's permission.
I took a Black Studies class at UW in 1975 before most of you woke motherfuckers were born. We've been having a discussion about race for 50 years
Talk is cheap.
Just a point of clarification.
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I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole -
Admirable. However, you're dealing with people here who would rather distract, deflect, and engage in personal attacks in order to score cheap debate poontsBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should. -
The next time you post something on policy will be the first Ive read on here. Usually it's just a bunch of meaningless horse shit like youre currently contributing.BearsWiin said:
Admirable. However, you're dealing with people here who would rather distract, deflect, and engage in personal attacks in order to score cheap debate poontsBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should. -
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
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Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
Don't care, no white Americans are involved. -
Some consumers benefit.Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at lower middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Other countries like Vietnam and India can and will and already are picking up the slack. Advanced components and medicine shouldve never been outsourced to begin with -
I care but we aren't changing the Middle East. We can go in and topple regimes and new ones sprout up. Meanwhile it ends up costing billions of dollars and American lives.SFGbob said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
Don't care, no white Americans are involved.
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The Saudis are getting more progressive as more grow fonder of secular life. Women can drive etc. But no one is calling them out for using castrated African slaves...or the surrounding counties in the region. Why is that??Baseman said:
I care but we aren't changing the Middle East. We can go in and topple regimes and new ones sprout up. Meanwhile it ends up costing billions of dollars and American lives.SFGbob said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
Don't care, no white Americans are involved. -
You didn't address my points. I've haven't personally attacked anyoneBearsWiin said:
Admirable. However, you're dealing with people here who would rather distract, deflect, and engage in personal attacks in order to score cheap debate poontsBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should. -
Again, this bored isn't ready for a real discussion on this at all.
Blacks got fucked by deindustrialization and globalism probably harder than any other group. You could get a good factory job a couple of generations ago and provide for your family. That's not the case very much now. So families get broken more. You can blame that on the elite power structure, not everyday white people. I think a lot of the youth black culture glorifies being a shithead and looks down on those who succeed in school. I'm going off of the 90s. Maybe (hopefully) that's changed a little. And again, kids from single parents statistically do worse financially, are more likely to abuse drugs, and are more likely to end up in the prison industrial complex. Stop sweeping that problem under the rug. Both parties won't touch that. Well I will (on a semi anonymous message board). -
I called bullshit first broFire_Marshall_Bill said:Again, this bored isn't ready for a real discussion on this at all.
Blacks got fucked by deindustrialization and globalism probably harder than any other group. You could get a good factory job a couple of generations ago and provide for your family. That's not the case very much now. So families get broken more. You can blame that on the elite power structure, not everyday white people. I think a lot of the youth black culture glorifies being a shithead and looks down on those who succeed in school. I'm going off of the 90s. Maybe (hopefully) that's changed a little. And again, kids from single parents statistically do worse financially, are more likely to abuse drugs, and are more likely to end up in the prison industrial complex. Stop sweeping that problem under the rug. Both parties won't touch that. Well I will (on a semi anonymous message board). -
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Some consumers benefit.Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
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You realize Trump wants to end the endless wars, right?Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
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You cherry picking a couple companies doesnt come close to telling the entire story. Of course outsourcing of some things is going to happen, the point is misguided globalization fucked over the American blue collar work force.Baseman said:
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Some consumers benefit.Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
When you have a complete supply chain reliance on a communist turned dictatorship rival super power that fucking hates you and their long term plan is revenge for the "100 years of embarrassment", youre going to have a bad time. -
I'm calling them out but I don't have a vote. So there's that. Without invading Saudi Arabia that won't change. If we did, shit goes right back to normal when we pull out. How about more renewable energy we can combine with our own oil so we don't need the Saudis and tell them to fuck off.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The Saudis are getting more progressive as more grow fonder of secular life. Women can drive etc. But no one is calling them out for using castrated African slaves...or the surrounding counties in the region. Why is that??Baseman said:
I care but we aren't changing the Middle East. We can go in and topple regimes and new ones sprout up. Meanwhile it ends up costing billions of dollars and American lives.SFGbob said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle east
Don't care, no white Americans are involved.
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Alright then. Prove me wrong and explain how we restore American manufacturing jobs and how those workers and the rest of us are better off paying higher prices to support the wages. I'll listen. Change my mindPostGameOrangeSlices said:
You cherry picking a couple companies doesnt come close to telling the entire story. Of course outsourcing of some things is going to happen, the point is misguided globalization fucked over the American blue collar work force.Baseman said:
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Some consumers benefit.Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
When you have a complete supply chain reliance on a communist turned dictatorship rival super power that fucking hates you and their long term plan is revenge for the "100 years of embarrassment", youre going to have a bad time.
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Yang talked quite a bit about this in his book. Dems, you guys really fucked up by kicking him to the curb.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You cherry picking a couple companies doesnt come close to telling the entire story. Of course outsourcing of some things is going to happen, the point is misguided globalization fucked over the American blue collar work force.Baseman said:
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Some consumers benefit.Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
When you have a complete supply chain reliance on a communist turned dictatorship rival super power that fucking hates you and their long term plan is revenge for the "100 years of embarrassment", youre going to have a bad time.
On the other end of the spectrum, unbridled greed-is-good capitalism essentially destroyed the concept of a 'good corporate citizen' - meaning the overriding purpose of the company was not necessarily share price but a balance of fair treatment of workers, contributing to community causes and a moderate return to shareholders. Instead, it's become all about quarterly earnings and the obscene gazillions the CEO's as a multiple to their median income of the worker bees. It's only been in the last year or so where the C-level guys have to disclose pay ratio information.
Instead of BLM, I'd argue that shifting that mentality would be of greater value to the country - but I'm sure the Bezos' and Gates' and Tim Cook's of the world are quite content with the status quo and using their gazillions to feed the racist narrative.
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He said/says he does. We're still in the Middle East. Even if Trump gets us out — which would be great — it still doesn't change what's going on in our country. That's how this whole thread got startedPurpleThrobber said:
You realize Trump wants to end the endless wars, right?Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
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They were already returning in droves due to Trump's policies. One of the reasons the economy was doing so wellBaseman said:
Alright then. Prove me wrong and explain how we restore American manufacturing jobs and how those workers and the rest of us are better off paying higher prices to support the wages. I'll listen. Change my mindPostGameOrangeSlices said:
You cherry picking a couple companies doesnt come close to telling the entire story. Of course outsourcing of some things is going to happen, the point is misguided globalization fucked over the American blue collar work force.Baseman said:
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Some consumers benefit.Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
When you have a complete supply chain reliance on a communist turned dictatorship rival super power that fucking hates you and their long term plan is revenge for the "100 years of embarrassment", youre going to have a bad time. -
Amazon, Microsoft, and Apple employ lots of American workers and in volume offer some of the highest paying jobs. Are we going to knock them down and take their gazillions like AOC and the Bern say we should? Let's do it and say Bye Bye to those high paying jobs. While we are at it, let's support their plan of eliminating corporate buybacks, impede increase EPS stifling stock prices. But we can give it all to American workers.PurpleThrobber said:
Yang talked quite a bit about this in his book. Dems, you guys really fucked up by kicking him to the curb.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You cherry picking a couple companies doesnt come close to telling the entire story. Of course outsourcing of some things is going to happen, the point is misguided globalization fucked over the American blue collar work force.Baseman said:
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Some consumers benefit.Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
When you have a complete supply chain reliance on a communist turned dictatorship rival super power that fucking hates you and their long term plan is revenge for the "100 years of embarrassment", youre going to have a bad time.
On the other end of the spectrum, unbridled greed-is-good capitalism essentially destroyed the concept of a 'good corporate citizen' - meaning the overriding purpose of the company was not necessarily share price but a balance of fair treatment of workers, contributing to community causes and a moderate return to shareholders. Instead, it's become all about quarterly earnings and the obscene gazillions the CEO's as a multiple to their median income of the worker bees. It's only been in the last year or so where the C-level guys have to disclose pay ratio information.
Instead of BLM, I'd argue that shifting that mentality would be of greater value to the country - but I'm sure the Bezos' and Gates' and Tim Cook's of the world are quite content with the status quo and using their gazillions to feed the racist narrative. -
I work in that world, man. There's some egregious shit that goes down that most shareholders would shit their pants over. E-fucking-gregious.Baseman said:
Amazon, Microsoft, and Apple employ lots of American workers and in volume offer some of the highest paying jobs. Are we going to knock them down and take their gazillions like AOC and the Bern say we should? Let's do it and say Bye Bye to those high paying jobs. While we are at it, let's support their plan of eliminating corporate buybacks, impede increase EPS stifling stock prices. But we can give it all to American workers.PurpleThrobber said:
Yang talked quite a bit about this in his book. Dems, you guys really fucked up by kicking him to the curb.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You cherry picking a couple companies doesnt come close to telling the entire story. Of course outsourcing of some things is going to happen, the point is misguided globalization fucked over the American blue collar work force.Baseman said:
Apple and Amazon are two of the US's largest employers and offer high paying jobs. Most of the goods each company sells are manufactured in China. "Apple is one of the biggest job creators in the United States, responsible for two million jobs in all 50 states. Last year, we spent over $50 billion with more than 9,000 U.S. suppliers and manufacturers. Since we launched the App Store in 2008, U.S. developers have earned over $16 billion in App Store sales worldwide. And we’re just getting started."PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Some consumers benefit.Baseman said:
We can't change other countries without wars. That's worked out so well.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I know, but your OP made a big deal about that stuff from hundreds of years ago, when the same thing is going on today but no one gives a shit because its not white people doing itBaseman said:
I'm not a citizen in either country, nor do I have any interest in becoming one. I'm talking about helping our own.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Wait until Baseman and Bearswiin finds out about the modern slavery going on today in north africa or the middle eastGrundleStiltzkin said:
A market requires a buyer and seller.Baseman said:
Yeah, but stillTurdBomber said:
Good post, except for this revisionist history. Our forefathers bought and sold them at auctions in the Caribbean or on the West Coast shores of Africa from slave traders who bought them from kings, princes, and rival tribes in Africa. That's right, but for the extremely rare capture of slaves from small villages, they were sold by rival tribes and their own kings, which may or may not be morally worse than white men capturing them like animals. But that ain't the way it went down in 99% of the cases.Baseman said:Simple fact.
I've got lots of black friends. My black and Samoan teammates all had my back. more than the white guys. No one gives a shit. I am white and I am privileged.
Tacoma's finest killed another black man today. It's bullshit and it's my obligation to go further than saying All Lives Matter. I'm not talking slave reparations but I'm acknowledging blacks have been fucked over for too long. Hitler and the Nazis are a big and fascinating part of history but you don't see statutes of Hitler, Goering, and Himmler in Berlin. No one who lobbied for keeping Confederate statues should be considered very fine people.
I'd happily sign up to kill Jew exterminating Nazis. Dark Americans deserve better than the shit this country has dealt them from the day our forefathers chained the Africans up and shanghaied them to America. Our grandfathers enlisted in mass when the Japanese bombed our boys at Peal Harbor, why aren't we doing the same for our black brothers?
I don't know what to do but I need to do more. We all should.
Same with the Uighur cultural/actual genocide in China. No one gives a fuck, especially not the American left who is so fond of offshoring labor to a morally bankrupt authoritarian hellhole
Why wouldn't businesses pursue maximizing profit. Goods produced in China cost less, American consumers benefit. Its also raised Chinese living standards.. Tariffs and protectionism doesn't help Americans. It hurts. The Chinese don't pay tariffs, American consumers do. The idea of producing all goods with American labor is flawed. Take the price of TV's, appliances, iPhones, whatever and tack on 40%, 50%, or more but we can create more middle class jobs which comes with less spending power. We end up worse off. Trade deficits benefit Americans. Today someone can create a small business, manufacture goods in China and pay Amazon 30% for end to end fulfillment and marketing on the defacto sales platform.
What about if those manufacturing jobs stuck around and blue collar workers had millions of those jobs at middle class wages? They then spend disposable income at restuarants, bars, entertainment venues, real estate, other assets, etc.
But sure, no one could afford anything before China took on American manufacturing...give me a fucking break
Maybe we can go back to using only American steel mills. Funny how Trump built his real estate empire using Chinese manufactured steel. Better yet, let's bail out GM again when the unions strong arm them into paying line workers $80,000 wages plus benefits. They need a working wage to pay for those American goods. BMW and Honda build cars in right to work states and pay $18-$22 an hour. Without a raise I expect, they can't afford American made goods. I expect you'll suggest we eliminate unions, which is a nice thought. Good luck getting that one through the House and Senate.
When you have a complete supply chain reliance on a communist turned dictatorship rival super power that fucking hates you and their long term plan is revenge for the "100 years of embarrassment", youre going to have a bad time.
On the other end of the spectrum, unbridled greed-is-good capitalism essentially destroyed the concept of a 'good corporate citizen' - meaning the overriding purpose of the company was not necessarily share price but a balance of fair treatment of workers, contributing to community causes and a moderate return to shareholders. Instead, it's become all about quarterly earnings and the obscene gazillions the CEO's as a multiple to their median income of the worker bees. It's only been in the last year or so where the C-level guys have to disclose pay ratio information.
Instead of BLM, I'd argue that shifting that mentality would be of greater value to the country - but I'm sure the Bezos' and Gates' and Tim Cook's of the world are quite content with the status quo and using their gazillions to feed the racist narrative.
Hopefully the Throbber doesn't end up sleeping with Luka Brasi with that disclosure.
