Serious Question for the Trump Bros
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Mattis should STFU and get back to his book tour talking about transgenders as the most important military issue of our time.
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Yes, and?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sounds like you hate Republics and are a fan of mob rule.HustlinOwl said:If people haven't learned Trump is a bumbling childish idiot in the last 4 years they're not going to figure it out in the next 4 months. Trump only has to win Florida and one or two of the other 5 or 6 swing states and he wins. The vast majority of votes under our awesome electoral college system don't matter anymore.
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It's all fun and games til the mob is hungry and looks at youGrundleStiltzkin said:
Yes, and?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sounds like you hate Republics and are a fan of mob rule.HustlinOwl said:If people haven't learned Trump is a bumbling childish idiot in the last 4 years they're not going to figure it out in the next 4 months. Trump only has to win Florida and one or two of the other 5 or 6 swing states and he wins. The vast majority of votes under our awesome electoral college system don't matter anymore.
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I think people do know and have known trump is as you describe. That’s how bad the left candidates are.HustlinOwl said:If people haven't learned Trump is a bumbling childish idiot in the last 4 years they're not going to figure it out in the next 4 months. Trump only has to win Florida and one or two of the other 5 or 6 swing states and he wins. The vast majority of votes under our awesome electoral college system don't matter anymore.
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That's where I was going generally in the first post. For the first time I can remember, and honest to goodness conservative with real credentials who is figure that plays strong with the base has come out against his former employer. I was wondering, and still wonder, whether it would chip the base.GrundleStiltzkin said:
LIPO.creepycoug said:
I think Trump missed out on a great opportunity for another nickname. I really think I have something in Mopey Maddis.NorthwestFresh said:
Marines I know are going to be really torn on this. They love Mattis, and most if not all are Trump voters.
But then again, as Race points out, the Democrats have rolled out a real retard as a candidate. Hillary, before, was more electable than this clown. -
UW_Doog_Bot said:
Yes and no.SFGbob said:
Trump is definitely vulnerable.creepycoug said:is maintaining loyalty Trump's achilles heel? Mad Dog kept a low profile after his departure. Now he's popping off even without a Rose Bowl.
But does it matter? For the first tim, I'm actually starting to wonder if Trump is vulnerable, even against a complete fucking retard like Biden.
I didn't think the virus would do it. That felt foisted upon us all; and even though I couldn't settle on a view about whether Trump was doing a good job leading us through it (because sometimes I thought he was and other times not), I really didn't think the Hong Kong Flu was going to do him in. Something like a pandemic is intractable and the entire world was dealing with it in a global shit show.
But this thing now is entirely domestic and we?, the country, own it, for better or for worse. Now you have MD talking shit about Trump being divisive. It's early June. We're all going to blink and it's BOOM, we're in late August and everyone's attention will be on that big shift into life in the Fall.
I'm guessing this will all die down, and America's ridiculously short attention span will help Trump in that it'll be behind us by then. If the economy is back en fuego at that poont, I think he beats the Bidentard despite the stumbling. If not, then his foibles could catch up to him. Ironically, I don't think it'll be his best policies that will help him at that point because his best policies are somewhat of an abstraction for the average American. I also think running a heavy handed police force to manage this crisis will be forgiven, too, because the truth is, when the shit hits the fan, the average dip shit wants someone to handle it. The things we toss around here about statists is also an abstraction to the average American. I don't think they'll care. And for Trump to lose, he has to lose part of his base.
He didn't win with independent voters before.
He won by carrying the weird poor populous part of the GOP and by stealing the white working class from the Dems. I don't see anything that has changed his appeal to those voters vid, riots, or otherwise.
Look no further than this bored to see how he's won over plenty of traditional GOP that stayed home last time.
I don't see a huge swing in independent voters happening either. Biden isn't the guy that's going to excite or win over that voter base.
Biden will carry the same people the Dems always do minus the white working class. That's not a winning formula.
This right here. That's the secret ingredient in Trump's taco sauce. -
I hear Obama addressed the nation today
But I didn't hear it. I'm not doing hypotheticals and I'll give you him beating Trump if you want but Obama was no better and probably worse
Smooth talk doesn't pay the rent. Obama had 8 years and........ -
without a fucking war. it was "hold my beer" for the US military and the elite Republican guard was shedding their unis and saying "no mas" 5 minutes in.RaceBannon said:
He also had a 90% approval rating at one point and drove Iraq out of KuwaitNorthwestFresh said:
Bush 1 was a NWO shill who said “no new taxes” and raised them. Then Hot Guy Clinton made panties wet with suburban housewives in the 90210 era with Melrose Place starting and Bush 1 was toast.RaceBannon said:Of course Trump is vulnerable. Any GOP president is. Bush 1 by any measure should have won a second term rather easily. He lost.
He should have won
he caved on taxes, but Bush I was the last of a dying breed. he actually had the creds to be there. a real superstar on the merits; but far from the best politician. -
Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs -
What do you mean and...? He drone striked thousands, fucked up healthcare even more, encouraged the exodus of American manufacturing, won a Nobel peace prize, and did a mean job reading off a teleprompter....RaceBannon said:
Smooth talk doesn't pay the rent. Obama had 8 years and........ -
Yep.RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs
Bush I went to sign up for the Navy 5 minutes after graduating from Andover. With his connections could have easily bone spured his way to Wall Street and let the everyday people fight the war. But the establishment didn't do that in those days ... at least not as much.
As you say, no desk jockey. A fucking pilot who was in the war. Then returns to Yale as a married student with Babs, plays on the baseball team and was actually a great player and a great student ... again, at Yale.
Then struck out from the family and went to Texas, where he was a stranger, to start his business. Struggled there to break into politics because "they could smell the New England on him," but nonetheless made himself a key player in the Texas GOP and worked his way from there.
He was also, by reputation, an honest and hard working guy. Beyond that, he carried himself the way you want someone representing you to carry themselves. And he wasn't impulsive and was a good listener.
A bygone guy from a bygone era. Yeah, he had a silver spoon, but he did something with it. -
Perot absolutely was the difference.RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs -
Let me finish Larry can you let me finish? Larry can I finish?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Perot absolutely was the difference.RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs -
creepycoug said:
Yep.RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs
Bush I went to sign up for the Navy 5 minutes after graduating from Andover. With his connections could have easily bone spured his way to Wall Street and let the everyday people fight the war. But the establishment didn't do that in those days ... at least not as much.
As you say, no desk jockey. A fucking pilot who was in the war. Then returns to Yale as a married student with Babs, plays on the baseball team and was actually a great player and a great student ... again, at Yale.
Then struck out from the family and went to Texas, where he was a stranger, to start his business. Struggled there to break into politics because "they could smell the New England on him," but nonetheless made himself a key player in the Texas GOP and worked his way from there.
He was also, by reputation, an honest and hard working guy. Beyond that, he carried himself the way you want someone representing you to carry themselves. And he wasn't impulsive and was a good listener.
A bygone guy from a bygone era. Yeah, he had a silver spoon, but he did something with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8ZYv2TFnZg
Japanese colonel on Chichi Jima was eating US captives. Dodged one. -
I voted for Perot. I actually thought he could win. Then he dropped out and got back in. That said, I was 27. I might be dumber nowRaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs -
Mitt did too but he's a whining khunt.creepycoug said:
Yep.RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs
Bush I went to sign up for the Navy 5 minutes after graduating from Andover. With his connections could have easily bone spured his way to Wall Street and let the everyday people fight the war. But the establishment didn't do that in those days ... at least not as much.
As you say, no desk jockey. A fucking pilot who was in the war. Then returns to Yale as a married student with Babs, plays on the baseball team and was actually a great player and a great student ... again, at Yale.
Then struck out from the family and went to Texas, where he was a stranger, to start his business. Struggled there to break into politics because "they could smell the New England on him," but nonetheless made himself a key player in the Texas GOP and worked his way from there.
He was also, by reputation, an honest and hard working guy. Beyond that, he carried himself the way you want someone representing you to carry themselves. And he wasn't impulsive and was a good listener.
A bygone guy from a bygone era. Yeah, he had a silver spoon, but he did something with it.
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Perot's mistake was picking a functional retard as his VP choice. He was killing it up to the point the Admiral opened his mouth...MikeDamone said:
I voted for Perot. I actually thought he could win. Then he dropped out and got back in. That said, I was 27. I might be dumber nowRaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs
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Race didn’t you dodge the civil war draft?RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs -
"If the people were to ever find out we have done, they would chase us down the
street and lynch us" - George HW Bush, 1992, the year he betrayed the United States
and signed on to UN Agenda 21, ceding the sovereignty of the USA to the United Nations. -
He didn't dodge it, he was wounded fighting voluntarily with the French Foreign Legion under NapoleonFireCohen said:
Race didn’t you dodge the civil war draft?RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs -
Stockdale was a legit hero. But yeah, couldn't speak worth a damn after what the North Vietnamese did to him.PurpleThrobber said:
Perot's mistake was picking a functional retard as his VP choice. He was killing it up to the point the Admiral opened his mouth...MikeDamone said:
I voted for Perot. I actually thought he could win. Then he dropped out and got back in. That said, I was 27. I might be dumber nowRaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs -
The Clinton 1992 campaign documentary showed how over their heads Begala, Carville, and Stephanopolous were. They actually celebrated when Perot dropped out thinking it would help them. Then somehow Perot got back into the race gee I wonder why and Clinton won with 43%,of the national vote as Perot took at minimum 12% of votes from Bush 1. Would have likely been a Bush 1 win looking at the dates where Perot took the votes from Bush 1, who was an awful President IMO anyhow.RaceBannon said:
Let me finish Larry can you let me finish? Larry can I finish?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Perot absolutely was the difference.RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs -
Fuck Mathis. He’s not a “conservative”...he’s been an undeclared Democrat for years. And fuck him for trying to get us into war in Syria and for being part of the appeasement of Iran. If he had his way we would be knee-deep in Syria right now.creepycoug said:
That's where I was going generally in the first post. For the first time I can remember, and honest to goodness conservative with real credentials who is figure that plays strong with the base has come out against his former employer. I was wondering, and still wonder, whether it would chip the base.GrundleStiltzkin said:
LIPO.creepycoug said:
I think Trump missed out on a great opportunity for another nickname. I really think I have something in Mopey Maddis.NorthwestFresh said:
Marines I know are going to be really torn on this. They love Mattis, and most if not all are Trump voters.
But then again, as Race points out, the Democrats have rolled out a real retard as a candidate. Hillary, before, was more electable than this clown.
You think we would have nailed Solomani (sp?) if he was still in the administration? Props for ISIS, but TBH any halfway competent military person not hindered by Obama’s policies could have gotten rid of them in short order. It’s not like there was some brilliant strategy involved. -
The mob mentality is fucking crazy. I was reading some celebrity gossip to get away from this bullshit and some nobody actress on Glee called out Lea Michele (the main actress on Glee) because she said she would shit in her wig. Of course, the one accusing does it right now, in this heightened time.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
It's all fun and games til the mob is hungry and looks at youGrundleStiltzkin said:
Yes, and?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Sounds like you hate Republics and are a fan of mob rule.HustlinOwl said:If people haven't learned Trump is a bumbling childish idiot in the last 4 years they're not going to figure it out in the next 4 months. Trump only has to win Florida and one or two of the other 5 or 6 swing states and he wins. The vast majority of votes under our awesome electoral college system don't matter anymore.
Then a bunch of other people calls her out for being a cunt in their work or personal interactions with her. She very well could be a fucking cunt, but the mob mentality got here. Outrage culture over a spoiled Hollywood actress that is a diva and people don’t get why it’s stupid. -
I have never called anyone a racist for voting for BO. I believe liberal policies are racist to their core. That's a big difference. But don't let me take away from your lie that made you get all tingly. Keep pleasuring yourself if you must.creepycoug said:
Actually, you do that daily for stretches at a time.Bendintheriver said:
I knew BO was the most corrupt President in the history of the country. The facts have shown the light on that. Only a rat liar denies it.RaceBannon said:You have two choices in this election same as last
Trump voters are no different than any other voter.
If you think Biden is the answer and he gets elected I wont spend 4 years attacking you and calling you vile names
Can't say the same about Biden
Payback is a bitch
However I never called a dem voter or in the case of BO, a Rep voter, a racist. I never set things on fire, beat innocent Americans half to death, killed people, shot people, pulled people out of their cars and beat them, kicked anyone out of an establishment because they had a BO hat or T-Shirt on, travelled around the world telling foreigners how bad our President was, lie and then try to impeach BO, twice.
That is uniquely democrat behavior.
As for the rest of your representations, I'll just have to take your word for it; because you seem like the zealous type to me.
Get your facts straight junior. -
Bendintheriver said:
I have never called anyone a racist for voting for BO. I believe liberal policies are racist to their core. That's a big difference. But don't let me take away from your lie that made you get all tingly. Keep pleasuring yourself if you must.creepycoug said:
Actually, you do that daily for stretches at a time.Bendintheriver said:
I knew BO was the most corrupt President in the history of the country. The facts have shown the light on that. Only a rat liar denies it.RaceBannon said:You have two choices in this election same as last
Trump voters are no different than any other voter.
If you think Biden is the answer and he gets elected I wont spend 4 years attacking you and calling you vile names
Can't say the same about Biden
Payback is a bitch
However I never called a dem voter or in the case of BO, a Rep voter, a racist. I never set things on fire, beat innocent Americans half to death, killed people, shot people, pulled people out of their cars and beat them, kicked anyone out of an establishment because they had a BO hat or T-Shirt on, travelled around the world telling foreigners how bad our President was, lie and then try to impeach BO, twice.
That is uniquely democrat behavior.
As for the rest of your representations, I'll just have to take your word for it; because you seem like the zealous type to me.
Get your facts straight junior.
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Perot said he was there to split the vote so Clinton could win.NorthwestFresh said:
The Clinton 1992 campaign documentary showed how over their heads Begala, Carville, and Stephanopolous were. They actually celebrated when Perot dropped out thinking it would help them. Then somehow Perot got back into the race gee I wonder why and Clinton won with 43%,of the national vote as Perot took at minimum 12% of votes from Bush 1. Would have likely been a Bush 1 win looking at the dates where Perot took the votes from Bush 1, who was an awful President IMO anyhow.RaceBannon said:
Let me finish Larry can you let me finish? Larry can I finish?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Perot absolutely was the difference.RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs -
I don't care. You are not someone I care to convince or impress.creepycoug said:Bendintheriver said:
I have never called anyone a racist for voting for BO. I believe liberal policies are racist to their core. That's a big difference. But don't let me take away from your lie that made you get all tingly. Keep pleasuring yourself if you must.creepycoug said:
Actually, you do that daily for stretches at a time.Bendintheriver said:
I knew BO was the most corrupt President in the history of the country. The facts have shown the light on that. Only a rat liar denies it.RaceBannon said:You have two choices in this election same as last
Trump voters are no different than any other voter.
If you think Biden is the answer and he gets elected I wont spend 4 years attacking you and calling you vile names
Can't say the same about Biden
Payback is a bitch
However I never called a dem voter or in the case of BO, a Rep voter, a racist. I never set things on fire, beat innocent Americans half to death, killed people, shot people, pulled people out of their cars and beat them, kicked anyone out of an establishment because they had a BO hat or T-Shirt on, travelled around the world telling foreigners how bad our President was, lie and then try to impeach BO, twice.
That is uniquely democrat behavior.
As for the rest of your representations, I'll just have to take your word for it; because you seem like the zealous type to me.
Get your facts straight junior. -
Perot cost Bush the election on election night. Bush cost Bush the election momentum leading up to the day of voting. No Perot, Bush wins. No Bush screw up on "no new taxes" and Bush wins regardless of Perot. Back then going back on your promise meant something. Now days BO lied over and over to Americans about their healthcare and idiots still voted for him.Sledog said:
Perot said he was there to split the vote so Clinton could win.NorthwestFresh said:
The Clinton 1992 campaign documentary showed how over their heads Begala, Carville, and Stephanopolous were. They actually celebrated when Perot dropped out thinking it would help them. Then somehow Perot got back into the race gee I wonder why and Clinton won with 43%,of the national vote as Perot took at minimum 12% of votes from Bush 1. Would have likely been a Bush 1 win looking at the dates where Perot took the votes from Bush 1, who was an awful President IMO anyhow.RaceBannon said:
Let me finish Larry can you let me finish? Larry can I finish?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Perot absolutely was the difference.RaceBannon said:Watching a doc on W they covered Bush 1. He really didn't think voters would pick Clinton over him. Not out of arrogance, just like look at my resume.
Perot probably was the difference
For you kids Clinton avoided if not dodged the draft and Bush 1 was a war hero
That was the end of that argument.
It's why NOC about bone spurs
