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FBI investigates death of black man after video shows cop kneeling on his neck
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Bob, I quoted you verbatim.SFGbob said:
Yeah you did you fucking liar.doogie said:
No Bob, I didn’t.SFGbob said:
Go fuck yourself. You said I was making up my own facts. Don't be a fucking liar.doogie said:Bob, don’t be a Dick.
Don’t be a dick.
The video didn’t lie.
There is no explanation for the justification of this Murder. OR the lack of preventative action by the accessories to this Murder.
Great bob, Now would be the perfect time for you to produce your special set of facts
And I'm not making any justification for murder. So you can take your dick out of that strawman's ass right now.
It would be great if we lived in a world where cops were 100% professional and never engaged in excessive force and brutality. But since we don't live in that fantasy land I'd tell everyone that when you resist arrest, you're only increasing your chances of being abused by the cops.
This guy would be alive today if the cops he encountered were 100% professional but he has no control over that. The one thing he did have control over was whether to resist or not resist his arrest. Yes, the cops should be prosecuted but that provides little comfort to the dead guy.
I’m lying?
Why can’t you simply Go ask your wife if she’ll let you Borrow Your Balls for a few minutes, reread what you wrote and either
1. Defend this Murder By Cop(S) you think is justified or
2. Man up and admit you misread what was actually written? -
Fuck off, I didn't make up any facts you lying piece of crap. I've stated repeatedly that this killing wasn't justified in any way. I just stated that you increase your chances of being a victim of unjustified abuse by the police when you resist arrest.doogie said:
Bob, I quoted you verbatim.SFGbob said:
Yeah you did you fucking liar.doogie said:
No Bob, I didn’t.SFGbob said:
Go fuck yourself. You said I was making up my own facts. Don't be a fucking liar.doogie said:Bob, don’t be a Dick.
Don’t be a dick.
The video didn’t lie.
There is no explanation for the justification of this Murder. OR the lack of preventative action by the accessories to this Murder.
Great bob, Now would be the perfect time for you to produce your special set of facts
And I'm not making any justification for murder. So you can take your dick out of that strawman's ass right now.
It would be great if we lived in a world where cops were 100% professional and never engaged in excessive force and brutality. But since we don't live in that fantasy land I'd tell everyone that when you resist arrest, you're only increasing your chances of being abused by the cops.
This guy would be alive today if the cops he encountered were 100% professional but he has no control over that. The one thing he did have control over was whether to resist or not resist his arrest. Yes, the cops should be prosecuted but that provides little comfort to the dead guy.
I’m lying?
Why can’t you simply Go ask your wife if she’ll let you Borrow Your Balls for a few minutes, reread what you wrote and either
1. Defend this Murder By Cop(S) you think is justified or
2. Man up and admit you misread what was actually written? -
Focus, Bob.
I’ll take that as an admission
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What facts are there to support race played a part in this incident of police brutality? Is is it just assumed and accepted by the super woke crowd?
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Have you ever heard the phrase "that's beside the point"?SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
Learn it, love it, live it. -
It's as plain as the nose on your face. White supremacy was the motive, despite the fact that one of the cop's looks Asian and one looks black. They aren't really black or Asian, just ask Biden.MikeDamone said:What facts are there to support race played a part in this incident of police brutality? Is is it just assumed and accepted by the super woke crowd?
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Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
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Yeah, I said that right after you said you want to fuck him in the ass while he is cuffed on the ground.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
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The soft authoritarianism of low expectations.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
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Do you encourage your kids and or your clients to resist arrest Dazzler? Would you resist arrest? Why not?HHusky said:
The soft authoritarianism of low expectations.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
The cops are always professionals right? So why not resist? -
Cuz I’m really no match for 4 doughnut stuffed thugs.SFGbob said:
Do you encourage your kids and or your clients to resist arrest Dazzler? Would you resist arrest? Why not?HHusky said:
The soft authoritarianism of low expectations.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
The cops are always professionals right? So why not resist? -
Dazzler with the Kunt dodge.HHusky said:
Cuz I’m really no match for 4 doughnut stuffed thugs.SFGbob said:
Do you encourage your kids and or your clients to resist arrest Dazzler? Would you resist arrest? Why not?HHusky said:
The soft authoritarianism of low expectations.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
The cops are always professionals right? So why not resist? -
Once the suspect is subdued, a cop’s gotta vent.SFGbob said:
Dazzler with the Kunt dodge.HHusky said:
Cuz I’m really no match for 4 doughnut stuffed thugs.SFGbob said:
Do you encourage your kids and or your clients to resist arrest Dazzler? Would you resist arrest? Why not?HHusky said:
The soft authoritarianism of low expectations.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
The cops are always professionals right? So why not resist? -
Why does this seems to happen mostly in left leaning states controlled by Democrats with black police chiefs, with very left leaning city councils?
These are the same people who want haul a citizen to jail for opening their store. Resist going to jail opening your store, end up dead. Leftists wet dream. -
I do recall. White identitarianism needed a champion on the Woodshed that day. Atlduck rose to the occasion.GDS said:
This is the same dude that posts links to AmRen...I know you’re not surprised at Atl’s reaction.ramenduck said:
So in response to a video of a black man being brutalized by police and likely dying as a result, you blame the media, call others in the thread racist, cite apples/oranges statistics, pull out anecdotes about cops you allegedly know, demand to see videos of white people being killed that you strongly feel exist, then finally get around to condemning the cop.Bendintheriver said:
Then post videos of COPS killing white, Asian or Latino perps. I don't consider COPS as government.vadawg said:This is fucking murder. Cops and government suck. Fuck the cops.
It doesn't happen. You know why? Because it doesn't fit the media's narrative.
In 2017 and 2018, twice as many pale faces were killed by COPS. Show us the videos that the main stream media posted to ginn up outrage.
It never happened! Period.
I have been treated poorly and kindly by police officers. I have police officers, DEA agents, FBI and Sheriff's around me now. The stories they tell are outrageous. The danger they are put in by all races is atrocious. For the MSM to focus on the bad few is criminal.
I bet you’re a riot at parties.
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Dazzler in fully jackass dance mode now.HHusky said:
Once the suspect is subdued, a cop’s gotta vent.SFGbob said:
Dazzler with the Kunt dodge.HHusky said:
Cuz I’m really no match for 4 doughnut stuffed thugs.SFGbob said:
Do you encourage your kids and or your clients to resist arrest Dazzler? Would you resist arrest? Why not?HHusky said:
The soft authoritarianism of low expectations.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
The cops are always professionals right? So why not resist? -
With 4 cops there all whom appear calm, once the cuffs were on, can’t the cop with his knee on throat simply tap out to one of the other three and walk away?HHusky said:
Once the suspect is subdued, a cop’s gotta vent.SFGbob said:
Dazzler with the Kunt dodge.HHusky said:
Cuz I’m really no match for 4 doughnut stuffed thugs.SFGbob said:
Do you encourage your kids and or your clients to resist arrest Dazzler? Would you resist arrest? Why not?HHusky said:
The soft authoritarianism of low expectations.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
The cops are always professionals right? So why not resist?
Why don’t the other cops seem to give One fuck about the condition of the man in the ground? -
I just finished the 8+ minute video. I'm not going to lie, seeing it unfold on video is quite disturbing. They have the suspect cuffed and under control. Heck, if you aren't sure, pin the guy's back. Don't press your knee and your body weight on a person's neck. I'd understand if in the heat of the moment he needs to do that until they cuff and secure him. But he's literally driving his knee with all his body weight into the cuffed and secured man's neck for 5-6 minutes, and that's just what's on video. How long was that knee pinned before the video started? The cop is even seen grinding in the knee multiple times. It looked as if the cop was getting a hard on while doing it, total sadist behavior. That little short pudgy cop with the little man syndrome saw what was happening and he also needs to be charged with murder as well. This is wrong on so many levels. This isn't your typical on duty in the heat of the moment accidental killing, this was blatant negligence. There is no excuse for that abuse of force. We don't see what the suspect did prior to filming, but it doesn't matter. Once a suspect is subdued, you have to show restraint. This cop didn't and the others didn't stop it from happening when they have a duty to do so, especially that short little cop. He of all had an upfront view of what was happening, and didn't do anything to stop it.
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Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here. -
And based upon your observations and recitation of the facts, several cops have already been fired, will face criminal charges, and their department will get hit with a large wrongful death and civil rights verdict that will send a message that the community won't tolerate this behavior from it's cops. We've seen decades of "police reform" but this shit still keeps happening. It's not going to change while cops are seen as enemies of the community, whether real or perceived, but instead as members of the community they police.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:I just finished the 8+ minute video. I'm not going to lie, seeing it unfold on video is quite disturbing. They have the suspect cuffed and under control. Heck, if you aren't sure, pin the guy's back. Don't press your knee and your body weight on a person's neck. I'd understand if in the heat of the moment he needs to do that until they cuff and secure him. But he's literally driving his knee with all his body weight into the cuffed and secured man's neck for 5-6 minutes, and that's just what's on video. How long was that knee pinned before the video started? The cop is even seen grinding in the knee multiple times. It looked as if the cop was getting a hard on while doing it, total sadist behavior. That little short pudgy cop with the little man syndrome saw what was happening and he also needs to be charged with murder as well. This is wrong on so many levels. This isn't your typical on duty in the heat of the moment accidental killing, this was blatant negligence. There is no excuse for that abuse of force. We don't see what the suspect did prior to filming, but it doesn't matter. Once a suspect is subdued, you have to show restraint. This cop didn't and the others didn't stop it from happening when they have a duty to do so, especially that short little cop. He of all had an upfront view of what was happening, and didn't do anything to stop it.
We've heard the talk our whole lives, but real reform has proven elusive. It's going to take a lot of change on both sides of the equation, as much as people hate to acknowledge it. We have a problem with abusive cops, no doubt. We also have a problem with communities hating and resenting cops because cops bust criminals. Yes, it's that simple in many places. Until that attitude, on that side of the coin changes, there's no way out of the mess. -
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here. -
Black victim, white officer. It’s like the Bat Signal goes up for blob and Turd to defend the indefensible.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here. -
Maybe for you, and that's good. But others on these boreds? Dead on Bidenesque.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here. -
Who invited the dumbshit to this discussion? @HHusky would rather see more blacks killed to bolster his liberal bona fides than see genuine progress and less deaths like this one. It's what he's all about.HHusky said:
Black victim, white officer. It’s like the Bat Signal goes up for blob and Turd to defend the indefensible.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here. -
People are going to resist arrest. White people, black people, yella people. It's part of the gig when you're a cop. Am I teaching my kids to resist arrest? Of course not. Is it a sound strategy? No.TurdBomber said:
Who invited the dumbshit to this discussion?HHusky said:
Black victim, white officer. It’s like the Bat Signal goes up for blob and Turd to defend the indefensible.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here.
Butt it's going to happen. And when it does, it doesn't give the officers carte blanche to torture the perp. The officer is supposed to represent the state, keep their emotions in check and follow procedure. I realize that's a lot to ask and not everyone is cut out to be a police officer.
Butt that's what a cop is signing up for. If they can't handle that kind of pressure then there are a million other professions to pursue. -
Nothing in your post about race as it should be.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:I just finished the 8+ minute video. I'm not going to lie, seeing it unfold on video is quite disturbing. They have the suspect cuffed and under control. Heck, if you aren't sure, pin the guy's back. Don't press your knee and your body weight on a person's neck. I'd understand if in the heat of the moment he needs to do that until they cuff and secure him. But he's literally driving his knee with all his body weight into the cuffed and secured man's neck for 5-6 minutes, and that's just what's on video. How long was that knee pinned before the video started? The cop is even seen grinding in the knee multiple times. It looked as if the cop was getting a hard on while doing it, total sadist behavior. That little short pudgy cop with the little man syndrome saw what was happening and he also needs to be charged with murder as well. This is wrong on so many levels. This isn't your typical on duty in the heat of the moment accidental killing, this was blatant negligence. There is no excuse for that abuse of force. We don't see what the suspect did prior to filming, but it doesn't matter. Once a suspect is subdued, you have to show restraint. This cop didn't and the others didn't stop it from happening when they have a duty to do so, especially that short little cop. He of all had an upfront view of what was happening, and didn't do anything to stop it.
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Yeah, I've called for the officers to be prosecuted. Some defense. Fuck off Dazzler.HHusky said:
Black victim, white officer. It’s like the Bat Signal goes up for blob and Turd to defend the indefensible.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here. -
Yeah but the bigger picture is the cops went too far and killed a man.HHusky said:
Black victim, white officer. It’s like the Bat Signal goes up for blob and Turd to defend the indefensible.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here.
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Even with race removed, it doesn't matter one bit. This is different than an injury or death due to justifiable force, which happens. It isn't like his head smacked the pavement from a struggle. Dude is on the ground, under control, in handcuffs. "Two to tango" is out the window. At that stage, the cop doesn't even have to be perfect to not kill the guy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here. -
Here's another question for you to dodge like a Kunt Dazzler. Do your odds of being abused by the police increase or decrease when you resist arrest? Been my experience that they increase, greatly. So tell me again Kunt, what's wrong with telling people not to resist arrest?
I am in no way saying that anything these cops did was legal and correct. But knowing that many cops are violent assholes looking to dole out a little street justice whenever the opportunity presents itself, I've always told my kids that if they get arrested or even pulled over by the cops for any reason that they should comply and not resist arrest. Do you tell your kids differently? Yes or no Kunt?
