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Evidence Shows Dir Gen of WHO Severely Overstated Death Rate of Coronavirus leading to global panic

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  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113

    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    80% of people who contract it have mild cold symptoms. Sheeple.

    Probably more than that, given the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission

    Asymptomatic transmission seems to be driving the spread, so a LOT of people are going to get it

    It'll be bad until the feds approve the existing therapeutic drugs that will knock this shit out and turn it into a bad flu season, no need to wait for a vaccine

    Two months tops
    Elaborate?
    Turns out that the protease inhibitor cocktail for HIV shows promise, and Actemra looks like it can prevent the cytokine storm that affects some severe cases. Gilead's Remdesivir is an experimental antiviral that's been getting some use in China. But the most promising are off the shelf antimalarials developed decades ago, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Cheap, generic, and readily available, they've shown in multiple studies done by the Chinese, French, and Australians that they're effective therapeutically against severe cases and might actually be effective as a preventive. Ramp up production, and give it out like candy when people show up with symptoms and test positive. Very limited side effects, so there's really no reason not to
    Heard Dr. Drew (the love doctor) mention those two just a minute ago https://adamcarolla.com/will-sasso/

    Agree, pass that shit out, let's get back to work.
    While they're cheap and generic, existing stores could be exhausted rather quickly. Chloroquine isn't stockpiled because it's pretty much only been used as an antimalarial, and who needs that anymore since we're not fighting the Japs in New Guinea, but hydroxychloroquine is commonly used to combat rheumatoid arthritis. But put the pharmas on notice to start making this stuff RIGHT NOW. From what I've seen a several-day regimen of hydroxychloroquine costs about $10. Multiply that by 330 million and you've got a $3.3B national bailout which is couch cushion change compared to the numbers we're hearing out of DC. Even if it only knocks out half of the cases it will have been worth it
    BRB, buying 6 cases before the run starts.

    I knew my crippling alcoholism would pay off some day.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,920 Founders Club
    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    80% of people who contract it have mild cold symptoms. Sheeple.

    Probably more than that, given the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission

    Asymptomatic transmission seems to be driving the spread, so a LOT of people are going to get it

    It'll be bad until the feds approve the existing therapeutic drugs that will knock this shit out and turn it into a bad flu season, no need to wait for a vaccine

    Two months tops
    Elaborate?
    Turns out that the protease inhibitor cocktail for HIV shows promise, and Actemra looks like it can prevent the cytokine storm that affects some severe cases. Gilead's Remdesivir is an experimental antiviral that's been getting some use in China. But the most promising are off the shelf antimalarials developed decades ago, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Cheap, generic, and readily available, they've shown in multiple studies done by the Chinese, French, and Australians that they're effective therapeutically against severe cases and might actually be effective as a preventive. Ramp up production, and give it out like candy when people show up with symptoms and test positive. Very limited side effects, so there's really no reason not to
    I'm going to stick to my shark fins and pangolin scales. Or is that for virility? Fuck it...why not both?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,537 Founders Club

    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    80% of people who contract it have mild cold symptoms. Sheeple.

    Probably more than that, given the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission

    Asymptomatic transmission seems to be driving the spread, so a LOT of people are going to get it

    It'll be bad until the feds approve the existing therapeutic drugs that will knock this shit out and turn it into a bad flu season, no need to wait for a vaccine

    Two months tops
    Elaborate?
    Turns out that the protease inhibitor cocktail for HIV shows promise, and Actemra looks like it can prevent the cytokine storm that affects some severe cases. Gilead's Remdesivir is an experimental antiviral that's been getting some use in China. But the most promising are off the shelf antimalarials developed decades ago, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Cheap, generic, and readily available, they've shown in multiple studies done by the Chinese, French, and Australians that they're effective therapeutically against severe cases and might actually be effective as a preventive. Ramp up production, and give it out like candy when people show up with symptoms and test positive. Very limited side effects, so there's really no reason not to
    Heard Dr. Drew (the love doctor) mention those two just a minute ago https://adamcarolla.com/will-sasso/

    Agree, pass that shit out, let's get back to work.
    We started our latest project last night

    What a great time to roam the freeways of Southern California

    Was at the grocery store this morning. Panic has come to Temecula. Had settle for T bones and a NY strip. No rib steaks. Society has broken down
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,416 Standard Supporter
    Gin and tonic. It's why the British survived.
  • RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,920 Founders Club

    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    80% of people who contract it have mild cold symptoms. Sheeple.

    Probably more than that, given the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission

    Asymptomatic transmission seems to be driving the spread, so a LOT of people are going to get it

    It'll be bad until the feds approve the existing therapeutic drugs that will knock this shit out and turn it into a bad flu season, no need to wait for a vaccine

    Two months tops
    Elaborate?
    Turns out that the protease inhibitor cocktail for HIV shows promise, and Actemra looks like it can prevent the cytokine storm that affects some severe cases. Gilead's Remdesivir is an experimental antiviral that's been getting some use in China. But the most promising are off the shelf antimalarials developed decades ago, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Cheap, generic, and readily available, they've shown in multiple studies done by the Chinese, French, and Australians that they're effective therapeutically against severe cases and might actually be effective as a preventive. Ramp up production, and give it out like candy when people show up with symptoms and test positive. Very limited side effects, so there's really no reason not to
    Heard Dr. Drew (the love doctor) mention those two just a minute ago https://adamcarolla.com/will-sasso/

    Agree, pass that shit out, let's get back to work.
    We started our latest project last night

    What a great time to roam the freeways of Southern California

    Was at the grocery store this morning. Panic has come to Temecula. Had settle for T bones and a NY strip. No rib steaks. Society has broken down
    Hmmm, they had rib eyes there last night. Maybe I'll go back today and stock up on more steak and briquettes? Nobody had touched the charcoal. What's wrong with everyone? Buy all the TP in the world but no BBQing? I have plenty of wine but I think these days call for more beer drinking. Fuck, if I ony had football to watch, I'd be in heaven!
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,930

    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    80% of people who contract it have mild cold symptoms. Sheeple.

    Probably more than that, given the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission

    Asymptomatic transmission seems to be driving the spread, so a LOT of people are going to get it

    It'll be bad until the feds approve the existing therapeutic drugs that will knock this shit out and turn it into a bad flu season, no need to wait for a vaccine

    Two months tops
    Elaborate?
    Turns out that the protease inhibitor cocktail for HIV shows promise, and Actemra looks like it can prevent the cytokine storm that affects some severe cases. Gilead's Remdesivir is an experimental antiviral that's been getting some use in China. But the most promising are off the shelf antimalarials developed decades ago, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Cheap, generic, and readily available, they've shown in multiple studies done by the Chinese, French, and Australians that they're effective therapeutically against severe cases and might actually be effective as a preventive. Ramp up production, and give it out like candy when people show up with symptoms and test positive. Very limited side effects, so there's really no reason not to
    Heard Dr. Drew (the love doctor) mention those two just a minute ago https://adamcarolla.com/will-sasso/

    Agree, pass that shit out, let's get back to work.
    We started our latest project last night

    What a great time to roam the freeways of Southern California

    Was at the grocery store this morning. Panic has come to Temecula. Had settle for T bones and a NY strip. No rib steaks. Society has broken down
    One of the weirdest experiences I've had was during the curfew they imposed because of the LA riots. Freeways looked like the Omega Man, the cool one with Charles Heston not the remake. Made it all the way from Westwood to Malibu in 15 to 20 mins.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,537 Founders Club
    How long before Guido and the boys start hijacking grocery trucks for the TP and water?


  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,775 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    80% of people who contract it have mild cold symptoms. Sheeple.

    Probably more than that, given the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission

    Asymptomatic transmission seems to be driving the spread, so a LOT of people are going to get it

    It'll be bad until the feds approve the existing therapeutic drugs that will knock this shit out and turn it into a bad flu season, no need to wait for a vaccine

    Two months tops
    Elaborate?
    Turns out that the protease inhibitor cocktail for HIV shows promise, and Actemra looks like it can prevent the cytokine storm that affects some severe cases. Gilead's Remdesivir is an experimental antiviral that's been getting some use in China. But the most promising are off the shelf antimalarials developed decades ago, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Cheap, generic, and readily available, they've shown in multiple studies done by the Chinese, French, and Australians that they're effective therapeutically against severe cases and might actually be effective as a preventive. Ramp up production, and give it out like candy when people show up with symptoms and test positive. Very limited side effects, so there's really no reason not to
    Heard Dr. Drew (the love doctor) mention those two just a minute ago https://adamcarolla.com/will-sasso/

    Agree, pass that shit out, let's get back to work.
    We started our latest project last night

    What a great time to roam the freeways of Southern California

    Was at the grocery store this morning. Panic has come to Temecula. Had settle for T bones and a NY strip. No rib steaks. Society has broken down
    One of the weirdest experiences I've had was during the curfew they imposed because of the LA riots. Freeways looked like the Omega Man, the cool one with Charles Heston not the remake. Made it all the way from Westwood to Malibu in 15 to 20 mins.
    Chuck boning the black chick was cinema history.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,930

    SFGbob said:

    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    80% of people who contract it have mild cold symptoms. Sheeple.

    Probably more than that, given the prevalence of asymptomatic transmission

    Asymptomatic transmission seems to be driving the spread, so a LOT of people are going to get it

    It'll be bad until the feds approve the existing therapeutic drugs that will knock this shit out and turn it into a bad flu season, no need to wait for a vaccine

    Two months tops
    Elaborate?
    Turns out that the protease inhibitor cocktail for HIV shows promise, and Actemra looks like it can prevent the cytokine storm that affects some severe cases. Gilead's Remdesivir is an experimental antiviral that's been getting some use in China. But the most promising are off the shelf antimalarials developed decades ago, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Cheap, generic, and readily available, they've shown in multiple studies done by the Chinese, French, and Australians that they're effective therapeutically against severe cases and might actually be effective as a preventive. Ramp up production, and give it out like candy when people show up with symptoms and test positive. Very limited side effects, so there's really no reason not to
    Heard Dr. Drew (the love doctor) mention those two just a minute ago https://adamcarolla.com/will-sasso/

    Agree, pass that shit out, let's get back to work.
    We started our latest project last night

    What a great time to roam the freeways of Southern California

    Was at the grocery store this morning. Panic has come to Temecula. Had settle for T bones and a NY strip. No rib steaks. Society has broken down
    One of the weirdest experiences I've had was during the curfew they imposed because of the LA riots. Freeways looked like the Omega Man, the cool one with Charles Heston not the remake. Made it all the way from Westwood to Malibu in 15 to 20 mins.
    Chuck boning the black chick was cinema history.
    Watched that movie about 5 years ago, it hasn't aged well but it was the 10 year old GBob's favorite movie.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,034
    FWIW an addition to the list, a flu vaccine that also seems to work preventively and on milder cases but not so well on more severe cases. Developed in 2014, so a known quantity at this poont

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    BearsWiin said:

    FWIW an addition to the list, a flu vaccine that also seems to work preventively and on milder cases but not so well on more severe cases. Developed in 2014, so a known quantity at this poont

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china

    Bill Gates just did a Q&A that repeated a lot of the stuff you've said here:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,144 Swaye's Wigwam
    For the record antimalarial drugs do have one interesting side effect, night terrors. Definitely had the most vivid nightmares of my life while on them living in India.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter

    For the record antimalarial drugs do have one interesting side effect, night terrors. Definitely had the most vivid nightmares of my life while on them living in India.

    But were they coVIVid?
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,886

    For the record antimalarial drugs do have one interesting side effect, night terrors. Definitely had the most vivid nightmares of my life while on them living in India.

    So does a bowl of honey nut cheerios at 1:00 AM.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    DJDuck said:

    GDS said:

    HHusky said:

    If you are seriously calculating the death rate from the flu by looking at CONFIRMED cases of the flu, you deserve to get your medical advice from gatewaypundit.

    In Europe they are now upto 700 deaths per day. That rate is continuing to increase as icus fill up and doctors are having to treat patients in triage tents. Hopefully the draconian measures taken here can lower the rate in the US.
    Panic

    Actually with all due respect Scott that’s Bull

    “As of March 17, 2020, there have been 2,764 deaths in Europe overall due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) since the first recorded European death in France on February 15. The vast majority of deaths have occurred in Italy at 2,158. March 16 was the virus' deadliest day so far in Europe with 593 deaths recorded in 13 different European countries.”

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102288/coronavirus-deaths-development-europe/
    Not bull at all. Yesterday was 593. Today it’s over 700 through 18:00 gmt.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    As you point out the rate is increasing. Bigly.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    DJDuck said:

    GDS said:

    HHusky said:

    If you are seriously calculating the death rate from the flu by looking at CONFIRMED cases of the flu, you deserve to get your medical advice from gatewaypundit.

    In Europe they are now upto 700 deaths per day. That rate is continuing to increase as icus fill up and doctors are having to treat patients in triage tents. Hopefully the draconian measures taken here can lower the rate in the US.
    Panic

    Actually with all due respect Scott that’s Bull

    “As of March 17, 2020, there have been 2,764 deaths in Europe overall due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) since the first recorded European death in France on February 15. The vast majority of deaths have occurred in Italy at 2,158. March 16 was the virus' deadliest day so far in Europe with 593 deaths recorded in 13 different European countries.”

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102288/coronavirus-deaths-development-europe/
    Not bull at all. Yesterday was 593. Today it’s over 700 through 18:00 gmt.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    As you point out the rate is increasing. Bigly.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    DJDuck said:

    GDS said:

    HHusky said:

    If you are seriously calculating the death rate from the flu by looking at CONFIRMED cases of the flu, you deserve to get your medical advice from gatewaypundit.

    In Europe they are now upto 700 deaths per day. That rate is continuing to increase as icus fill up and doctors are having to treat patients in triage tents. Hopefully the draconian measures taken here can lower the rate in the US.
    Panic

    Actually with all due respect Scott that’s Bull

    “As of March 17, 2020, there have been 2,764 deaths in Europe overall due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) since the first recorded European death in France on February 15. The vast majority of deaths have occurred in Italy at 2,158. March 16 was the virus' deadliest day so far in Europe with 593 deaths recorded in 13 different European countries.”

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102288/coronavirus-deaths-development-europe/
    And today it’s over 700 as of 18:00 GMT.

    As you point out the rate is increasing. Bigly.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    DJDuck said:

    GDS said:

    HHusky said:

    If you are seriously calculating the death rate from the flu by looking at CONFIRMED cases of the flu, you deserve to get your medical advice from gatewaypundit.

    In Europe they are now upto 700 deaths per day. That rate is continuing to increase as icus fill up and doctors are having to treat patients in triage tents. Hopefully the draconian measures taken here can lower the rate in the US.
    Panic

    Actually with all due respect Scott that’s Bull

    “As of March 17, 2020, there have been 2,764 deaths in Europe overall due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) since the first recorded European death in France on February 15. The vast majority of deaths have occurred in Italy at 2,158. March 16 was the virus' deadliest day so far in Europe with 593 deaths recorded in 13 different European countries.”

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102288/coronavirus-deaths-development-europe/
    Not bull at all. Yesterday was 593. Today it’s over 700 through 18:00 gmt.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    As you point out the rate is increasing. Bigly.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    DJDuck said:

    GDS said:

    HHusky said:

    If you are seriously calculating the death rate from the flu by looking at CONFIRMED cases of the flu, you deserve to get your medical advice from gatewaypundit.

    In Europe they are now upto 700 deaths per day. That rate is continuing to increase as icus fill up and doctors are having to treat patients in triage tents. Hopefully the draconian measures taken here can lower the rate in the US.
    Panic

    Actually with all due respect Scott that’s Bull

    “As of March 17, 2020, there have been 2,764 deaths in Europe overall due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) since the first recorded European death in France on February 15. The vast majority of deaths have occurred in Italy at 2,158. March 16 was the virus' deadliest day so far in Europe with 593 deaths recorded in 13 different European countries.”

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102288/coronavirus-deaths-development-europe/
    Not bull at all. Yesterday was 593. Today it’s over 700 through 18:00 gmt.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    As you point out the rate is increasing. Bigly.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    DJDuck said:

    GDS said:

    HHusky said:

    If you are seriously calculating the death rate from the flu by looking at CONFIRMED cases of the flu, you deserve to get your medical advice from gatewaypundit.

    In Europe they are now upto 700 deaths per day. That rate is continuing to increase as icus fill up and doctors are having to treat patients in triage tents. Hopefully the draconian measures taken here can lower the rate in the US.
    Panic

    Actually with all due respect Scott that’s Bull

    “As of March 17, 2020, there have been 2,764 deaths in Europe overall due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) since the first recorded European death in France on February 15. The vast majority of deaths have occurred in Italy at 2,158. March 16 was the virus' deadliest day so far in Europe with 593 deaths recorded in 13 different European countries.”

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102288/coronavirus-deaths-development-europe/
    And today it’s over 700 as of 18:00 GMT.

    As you point out the rate is increasing. Bigly.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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