Would you assume that he earned his admission into Harvard Law? Would you assume he earned his way to editor of the law review. Would you assume he earned his magna cum laude? barry sure doesn't seem like a brilliant guy to me. Bush was a legacy admit to both Yale and Harvard's MBA program. Bush never seemed like a brilliant guy to me either. I've never gone to bat for Bush's intelligence. Neither Bush or barry are stupid, but barry wasn't the second brightest guy at Harvard Law.
I answered the first question.
The EIC charge ... sure, diversity likely had some play there. And while an EIC would typically get his student article in for publication, it's not unheard of that they don't given their other responsibilities.
Magna Cum Laude? This is conspiracy theory zone. I'd find it more believable that he lied about it than the school rigging it for him. "Well, his grades are average, but let's let the black kid graduate MCL." Lolz. They just don't do that; Obama wasn't exactly the first black guy to sail through Langdell Hall. They weren't that smitten. Jesus.
Second smartest guy at HLS? Who said he was? You know, they hand out more than one Magna Cum Laude designation. It's based on your grades and falling into a specified % ranking.
Your rationale seems to be, "if he got in with affirmative action, everything else must be fraud."
It’s as relevant as trumps tax returns. (Which are irrelevant). Show the transcripts (or tax returns) and if you don’t your opponents will assume there is something to hide.
If you actually cared all this was known in 2008. So, you either didn't care or you just ignored it and lied about it. If I care about something I like to read and learn about it. What is stunning is how leftards are so intellectually incurious about topics that they are so emotionally invested in. They are the equivalent of flat earthers. The rest just want the raw power and are happy to lie to gain the power. In reality, most are a toxic mix of both.
That’s all great. But I only responded to the community organizer comment.
By the time we’re done here, it will be a wonder that the guy can even tie his shoes. Did they manufacture the magna cum laude finish to his legal studies too?
They sure did.
As I've said, you'll have to lay that one out for me or I'm calling bullshit. And don't bother with an Alex Jones piece. Harvard doesn't let people graduate with high honors unless they did. They didn't like him that much.
They liked him enough to admit him and make him editor of the Law Review.
I'm now bored with this topic and we are getting nowhere. If a man from Mars landed just now and read all this, you'd have him thinking that Harvard had never had a competent black guy come through and invented affirmative action just for him. You're exaggerating the benefit. Of course his skin color was relevant to his admission and, likely, his place on the law review. But even with that advantage, he had to be pretty good to get in and get on. And his magna cum laude status at graduation suggests he was, in fact, a cut above the average, and the odds that Harvard just gave him that graduation status that was otherwise unearned is extremely low. They don't do that, and Barry wasn't the first smart black dude they'd ever seen. Come on.
For some reason, there are no details behind barry's admittance to Harvard or his grades. For some reason, we know a lot about W Bush's. I wasn't commenting about your community organizer comment. I was commenting about the credentials comment.
One guy in this thread is telling me that his graduation honors were made up as a gift to him. And another is saying we don’t have details about his grades. It seems like we’d have a good idea about his grades if we knew that HLS took the unprecedented step of giving him high honors graduation status.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama was admitted to HLS in part on diversity considerations. But then again, for the lion’s share of its history (and that of the other Ivy League and other selective schools), being wealthy was the primary admission criterion. How many Presidents got in that way?
But once there, it doesn’t appear he slid by. Someone will have to lay that out for me. And not because I don’t want to believe it. I don’t care at all. But I don’t alter how I assess probability based on how I feel about someone. If you had graduated from HLS with high honors my assumption would be you earned it and that it was real.
It took a lot of looking and it was years ago. I don't have a link but its out there. I didn't make it up. In '95 71% of Harvard grads had honors they tightened it up later that cut the number by 1/3. Maybe it was lower for everyone.
For some reason, there are no details behind barry's admittance to Harvard or his grades. For some reason, we know a lot about W Bush's. I wasn't commenting about your community organizer comment. I was commenting about the credentials comment.
One guy in this thread is telling me that his graduation honors were made up as a gift to him. And another is saying we don’t have details about his grades. It seems like we’d have a good idea about his grades if we knew that HLS took the unprecedented step of giving him high honors graduation status.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama was admitted to HLS in part on diversity considerations. But then again, for the lion’s share of its history (and that of the other Ivy League and other selective schools), being wealthy was the primary admission criterion. How many Presidents got in that way?
But once there, it doesn’t appear he slid by. Someone will have to lay that out for me. And not because I don’t want to believe it. I don’t care at all. But I don’t alter how I assess probability based on how I feel about someone. If you had graduated from HLS with high honors my assumption would be you earned it and that it was real.
It took a lot of looking and it was years ago. I don't have a link but its out there. I didn't make it up. In '95 71% of Harvard grads had honors they tightened it up later that cut the number by 1/3. Maybe it was lower for everyone.
Yes. That’s very different than “they lowered the standards for him.”
Can someone, anyone, describe a positive that is spewed by the rat candidates for President? One positive comment about our country, the people in it or the opportunity for all. Half of them are multi millionaires and the other half aren't and are still on that stage running for President yet none of them have any hint of a positive message.
In my lifetime, after researching and ghosting speeches for some politicians, working in DC, working on some campaigns, I have never, ever, seen politicians who actually believe that this country is so evil that they can't be seen saying anything positive about it. There is no pride on that stage, only victim-hood and financial envy. I get it, they are dividing the races, convincing people they are victims, and creating economic envy so that they can polarize and get that sides votes. But the damage the are doing is a lasting one and it seems that they sincerely want to fundamentally change the entire history of this country and what has made it great.
There is nothing more difficult to watch than a minority bar tender, who isn't that bright, lecturing all of us about how there is no opportunity when she is a member of congress. Or watching a rebuttal after the State of the Union by a Governor, who is clearly out of touch, talk about minority children filling in pot holes to help the government of all things. But worst of all, it is those running for President and their clear lack of appreciation for what our country has done and can offer.
Can anyone detail some positives or is this just me?
I agree with much of what you're saying. But out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to say "minority bartender" instead of just saying "bartender"? It seems to imply her rhetoric would be more palatable had she been a white bartender.
Agree with Derek.
She would not have risen to the position she #Occupies within the party if she was a white bartender.
You are absolutely correct. Neither would BO had he not been black. I know hard core Reps who voted only for him because he was black. They wanted to say they voted for the first black President. His racism was ignored, his total lack of experience. Like many predicted of a Chicago rat being President he was also the most corrupt ever.
I can name 20 other minorities and some whitey's that are in congress that are only there because of their skin color. It is actually a good thing for the country. As much as a pain in the ass some idiots are that are in Congress, they have the opportunity to be there representing their constituents. You can't say that anywhere else in the world.
Fair enough. And there a lot of them who are there for other reasons that similarly have little or nothing to do with merit. Rubio and others like him are there because of their ethnic and racial background insofar as that is relevant to their constituency. Rubio would likely not be a senator if he hailed from Spokane. But he doesn't; he's from a place with a lot of Cubans.
Then again, as I write that, I'm reminded that my former law school classmate and friend, Raul Labrador, was a Congressman representing his district in Idaho. I don't think the fact that he's Puerto Rican had shit to do with his election ... Raul is a very conservative Mormon married to a white Mormon woman and meets the criteria for election in Idaho.
In a perverse way, AOC won election to the House on the Trump ticket - the outsider's outsider. She was just supported by a different base with a different agenda.
I suppose all that is to say that the country is working in the way it was intended.
As to BO's lack of experience, he's hardly the first, so it shouldn't be held against him any more than it has against others.
Can you name one other community organizer who never had a real job, no business experience, and never held public office and jumped right to President? Me either. He gave good speeches, the white rats liked that, and he was a good looking black man and the rats liked that. Pretty shallow qualifications but if you doubt any of it, just look at the ex-bartender socialist who is a mouthpiece for the rat party right now. That idiot would destroy the country given the chance.
Lest there be any doubt, remember the following by your current Presidential front runner who said what all rat plantation owners were thinking but to smart to say in public other than that dip shit Biden:
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
What about this guy? From the Senate frying pan right into the fire.
And what business chops did, say, Reagan have?
Look, if you want to suggest that they should all be like HW Bush ... a verifiably accomplished individual long before he got to the WH, then I'm on board. But you seem to be cherry picking here a little.
JFK? Another good looking well spoken rat politician? Thanks for making my point.
Just stop.
Stop what? Which one of us said this?
Can you name one other community organizer who never had a real job, no business experience, and never held public office and jumped right to President? Me either.
Obama is hardly the first guy to hold office whose primary experience is politics and not business. Simple point.
"Hold office"? He was fucking President. His most esteemed experience was as a guest lecturer at Chicago. He was given the job because of his skin color.
Yeah, I know. That’s what we’re talking about. He’s not the first guy to hold office whose main qualification was politics. And he lectured at Chicago for years.
If you liked his politics you wouldn’t care about this.
If I liked his politics? He was the most corrupt President in our history. Anyone who is objective would object to his spying on a rival Presidential HQ. Would have a serious problem with his wire tapping journalists and Congressmen who he disagreed with politically. Used the IRS as a weapon against Republican groups. Supported his SofS as she erased 33K emails. Lied to the entire country that they could keep their doctors and insurance. That the entire country would save $2700 a year on health insurance.
What kind of fucking American are you? You think it was about politics that I didn't like him? He was crooked as hell. You settled and had no problem with that,
Can someone, anyone, describe a positive that is spewed by the rat candidates for President? One positive comment about our country, the people in it or the opportunity for all. Half of them are multi millionaires and the other half aren't and are still on that stage running for President yet none of them have any hint of a positive message.
In my lifetime, after researching and ghosting speeches for some politicians, working in DC, working on some campaigns, I have never, ever, seen politicians who actually believe that this country is so evil that they can't be seen saying anything positive about it. There is no pride on that stage, only victim-hood and financial envy. I get it, they are dividing the races, convincing people they are victims, and creating economic envy so that they can polarize and get that sides votes. But the damage the are doing is a lasting one and it seems that they sincerely want to fundamentally change the entire history of this country and what has made it great.
There is nothing more difficult to watch than a minority bar tender, who isn't that bright, lecturing all of us about how there is no opportunity when she is a member of congress. Or watching a rebuttal after the State of the Union by a Governor, who is clearly out of touch, talk about minority children filling in pot holes to help the government of all things. But worst of all, it is those running for President and their clear lack of appreciation for what our country has done and can offer.
Can anyone detail some positives or is this just me?
I agree with much of what you're saying. But out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to say "minority bartender" instead of just saying "bartender"? It seems to imply her rhetoric would be more palatable had she been a white bartender.
Agree with Derek.
She would not have risen to the position she #Occupies within the party if she was a white bartender.
You are absolutely correct. Neither would BO had he not been black. I know hard core Reps who voted only for him because he was black. They wanted to say they voted for the first black President. His racism was ignored, his total lack of experience. Like many predicted of a Chicago rat being President he was also the most corrupt ever.
I can name 20 other minorities and some whitey's that are in congress that are only there because of their skin color. It is actually a good thing for the country. As much as a pain in the ass some idiots are that are in Congress, they have the opportunity to be there representing their constituents. You can't say that anywhere else in the world.
Fair enough. And there a lot of them who are there for other reasons that similarly have little or nothing to do with merit. Rubio and others like him are there because of their ethnic and racial background insofar as that is relevant to their constituency. Rubio would likely not be a senator if he hailed from Spokane. But he doesn't; he's from a place with a lot of Cubans.
Then again, as I write that, I'm reminded that my former law school classmate and friend, Raul Labrador, was a Congressman representing his district in Idaho. I don't think the fact that he's Puerto Rican had shit to do with his election ... Raul is a very conservative Mormon married to a white Mormon woman and meets the criteria for election in Idaho.
In a perverse way, AOC won election to the House on the Trump ticket - the outsider's outsider. She was just supported by a different base with a different agenda.
I suppose all that is to say that the country is working in the way it was intended.
As to BO's lack of experience, he's hardly the first, so it shouldn't be held against him any more than it has against others.
Can you name one other community organizer who never had a real job, no business experience, and never held public office and jumped right to President? Me either. He gave good speeches, the white rats liked that, and he was a good looking black man and the rats liked that. Pretty shallow qualifications but if you doubt any of it, just look at the ex-bartender socialist who is a mouthpiece for the rat party right now. That idiot would destroy the country given the chance.
Lest there be any doubt, remember the following by your current Presidential front runner who said what all rat plantation owners were thinking but to smart to say in public other than that dip shit Biden:
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
What about this guy? From the Senate frying pan right into the fire.
And what business chops did, say, Reagan have?
Look, if you want to suggest that they should all be like HW Bush ... a verifiably accomplished individual long before he got to the WH, then I'm on board. But you seem to be cherry picking here a little.
JFK? Another good looking well spoken rat politician? Thanks for making my point.
Just stop.
Stop what? Which one of us said this?
Can you name one other community organizer who never had a real job, no business experience, and never held public office and jumped right to President? Me either.
Obama is hardly the first guy to hold office whose primary experience is politics and not business. Simple point.
"Hold office"? He was fucking President. His most esteemed experience was as a guest lecturer at Chicago. He was given the job because of his skin color.
Yeah, I know. That’s what we’re talking about. He’s not the first guy to hold office whose main qualification was politics. And he lectured at Chicago for years.
If you liked his politics you wouldn’t care about this.
If I liked his politics? He was the most corrupt President in our history. Anyone who is objective would object to his spying on a rival Presidential HQ. Would have a serious problem with his wire tapping journalists and Congressmen who he disagreed with politically. Used the IRS as a weapon against Republican groups. Supported his SofS as she erased 33K emails. Lied to the entire country that they could keep their doctors and insurance. That the entire country would save $2700 a year on health insurance.
What kind of fucking American are you? You think it was about politics that I didn't like him? He was crooked as hell. You settled and had no problem with that,
Since it wasn't your last post. My point still stands. Barry was not the second most brilliant student in his class.
Never said he was. Not that either one of us has any idea, but sure, the odds are against it. Harvard Law School is one the country’s largest and they admit a lot of very bright people. But that’s not what ‘magna cum laude’ means in any event. It just means he did very well.
Since it wasn't your last post. My point still stands. Barry was not the second most brilliant student in his class.
Never said he was. Not that either one of us has any idea, but sure, the odds are against it. Harvard Law School is one the country’s largest and they admit a lot of very bright people. But that’s not what ‘magna cum laude’ means in any event. It just means he did very well.
Since it wasn't your last post. My point still stands. Barry was not the second most brilliant student in his class.
Never said he was. Not that either one of us has any idea, but sure, the odds are against it. Harvard Law School is one the country’s largest and they admit a lot of very bright people. But that’s not what ‘magna cum laude’ means in any event. It just means he did very well.
3.4-3.7 GPA IIRC. Most schools.
I’m sure it varies. But given the talent at HLS, graduating with high honors means you did well in a class of very smart people.
Can someone, anyone, describe a positive that is spewed by the rat candidates for President? One positive comment about our country, the people in it or the opportunity for all. Half of them are multi millionaires and the other half aren't and are still on that stage running for President yet none of them have any hint of a positive message.
In my lifetime, after researching and ghosting speeches for some politicians, working in DC, working on some campaigns, I have never, ever, seen politicians who actually believe that this country is so evil that they can't be seen saying anything positive about it. There is no pride on that stage, only victim-hood and financial envy. I get it, they are dividing the races, convincing people they are victims, and creating economic envy so that they can polarize and get that sides votes. But the damage the are doing is a lasting one and it seems that they sincerely want to fundamentally change the entire history of this country and what has made it great.
There is nothing more difficult to watch than a minority bar tender, who isn't that bright, lecturing all of us about how there is no opportunity when she is a member of congress. Or watching a rebuttal after the State of the Union by a Governor, who is clearly out of touch, talk about minority children filling in pot holes to help the government of all things. But worst of all, it is those running for President and their clear lack of appreciation for what our country has done and can offer.
Can anyone detail some positives or is this just me?
I agree with much of what you're saying. But out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to say "minority bartender" instead of just saying "bartender"? It seems to imply her rhetoric would be more palatable had she been a white bartender.
Agree with Derek.
She would not have risen to the position she #Occupies within the party if she was a white bartender.
You are absolutely correct. Neither would BO had he not been black. I know hard core Reps who voted only for him because he was black. They wanted to say they voted for the first black President. His racism was ignored, his total lack of experience. Like many predicted of a Chicago rat being President he was also the most corrupt ever.
I can name 20 other minorities and some whitey's that are in congress that are only there because of their skin color. It is actually a good thing for the country. As much as a pain in the ass some idiots are that are in Congress, they have the opportunity to be there representing their constituents. You can't say that anywhere else in the world.
Fair enough. And there a lot of them who are there for other reasons that similarly have little or nothing to do with merit. Rubio and others like him are there because of their ethnic and racial background insofar as that is relevant to their constituency. Rubio would likely not be a senator if he hailed from Spokane. But he doesn't; he's from a place with a lot of Cubans.
Then again, as I write that, I'm reminded that my former law school classmate and friend, Raul Labrador, was a Congressman representing his district in Idaho. I don't think the fact that he's Puerto Rican had shit to do with his election ... Raul is a very conservative Mormon married to a white Mormon woman and meets the criteria for election in Idaho.
In a perverse way, AOC won election to the House on the Trump ticket - the outsider's outsider. She was just supported by a different base with a different agenda.
I suppose all that is to say that the country is working in the way it was intended.
As to BO's lack of experience, he's hardly the first, so it shouldn't be held against him any more than it has against others.
Can you name one other community organizer who never had a real job, no business experience, and never held public office and jumped right to President? Me either. He gave good speeches, the white rats liked that, and he was a good looking black man and the rats liked that. Pretty shallow qualifications but if you doubt any of it, just look at the ex-bartender socialist who is a mouthpiece for the rat party right now. That idiot would destroy the country given the chance.
Lest there be any doubt, remember the following by your current Presidential front runner who said what all rat plantation owners were thinking but to smart to say in public other than that dip shit Biden:
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
What about this guy? From the Senate frying pan right into the fire.
And what business chops did, say, Reagan have?
Look, if you want to suggest that they should all be like HW Bush ... a verifiably accomplished individual long before he got to the WH, then I'm on board. But you seem to be cherry picking here a little.
JFK? Another good looking well spoken rat politician? Thanks for making my point.
Just stop.
Stop what? Which one of us said this?
Can you name one other community organizer who never had a real job, no business experience, and never held public office and jumped right to President? Me either.
Obama is hardly the first guy to hold office whose primary experience is politics and not business. Simple point.
True, but he had little political experience either. I blame Mike Ditka for the whole bloody mess.
State senator for 7 years; just a hair under 4 years in the real senate. Taught con law at Chicago, which is better than being an actor or a professional fuck-around in Hyannisport any day. Yeah, it was a little light. But not "none", which is what I'm responding to; we're clearly cherry picking here as you well know. If we'd liked his politics, the narrative would take what I've written just here and make it sound wonderful.
Barack spent most of his US Senate career running for President.
Can someone, anyone, describe a positive that is spewed by the rat candidates for President? One positive comment about our country, the people in it or the opportunity for all. Half of them are multi millionaires and the other half aren't and are still on that stage running for President yet none of them have any hint of a positive message.
In my lifetime, after researching and ghosting speeches for some politicians, working in DC, working on some campaigns, I have never, ever, seen politicians who actually believe that this country is so evil that they can't be seen saying anything positive about it. There is no pride on that stage, only victim-hood and financial envy. I get it, they are dividing the races, convincing people they are victims, and creating economic envy so that they can polarize and get that sides votes. But the damage the are doing is a lasting one and it seems that they sincerely want to fundamentally change the entire history of this country and what has made it great.
There is nothing more difficult to watch than a minority bar tender, who isn't that bright, lecturing all of us about how there is no opportunity when she is a member of congress. Or watching a rebuttal after the State of the Union by a Governor, who is clearly out of touch, talk about minority children filling in pot holes to help the government of all things. But worst of all, it is those running for President and their clear lack of appreciation for what our country has done and can offer.
Can anyone detail some positives or is this just me?
I agree with much of what you're saying. But out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to say "minority bartender" instead of just saying "bartender"? It seems to imply her rhetoric would be more palatable had she been a white bartender.
Agree with Derek.
She would not have risen to the position she #Occupies within the party if she was a white bartender.
You are absolutely correct. Neither would BO had he not been black. I know hard core Reps who voted only for him because he was black. They wanted to say they voted for the first black President. His racism was ignored, his total lack of experience. Like many predicted of a Chicago rat being President he was also the most corrupt ever.
I can name 20 other minorities and some whitey's that are in congress that are only there because of their skin color. It is actually a good thing for the country. As much as a pain in the ass some idiots are that are in Congress, they have the opportunity to be there representing their constituents. You can't say that anywhere else in the world.
Fair enough. And there a lot of them who are there for other reasons that similarly have little or nothing to do with merit. Rubio and others like him are there because of their ethnic and racial background insofar as that is relevant to their constituency. Rubio would likely not be a senator if he hailed from Spokane. But he doesn't; he's from a place with a lot of Cubans.
Then again, as I write that, I'm reminded that my former law school classmate and friend, Raul Labrador, was a Congressman representing his district in Idaho. I don't think the fact that he's Puerto Rican had shit to do with his election ... Raul is a very conservative Mormon married to a white Mormon woman and meets the criteria for election in Idaho.
In a perverse way, AOC won election to the House on the Trump ticket - the outsider's outsider. She was just supported by a different base with a different agenda.
I suppose all that is to say that the country is working in the way it was intended.
As to BO's lack of experience, he's hardly the first, so it shouldn't be held against him any more than it has against others.
Can you name one other community organizer who never had a real job, no business experience, and never held public office and jumped right to President? Me either. He gave good speeches, the white rats liked that, and he was a good looking black man and the rats liked that. Pretty shallow qualifications but if you doubt any of it, just look at the ex-bartender socialist who is a mouthpiece for the rat party right now. That idiot would destroy the country given the chance.
Lest there be any doubt, remember the following by your current Presidential front runner who said what all rat plantation owners were thinking but to smart to say in public other than that dip shit Biden:
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
What about this guy? From the Senate frying pan right into the fire.
And what business chops did, say, Reagan have?
Look, if you want to suggest that they should all be like HW Bush ... a verifiably accomplished individual long before he got to the WH, then I'm on board. But you seem to be cherry picking here a little.
JFK? Another good looking well spoken rat politician? Thanks for making my point.
Just stop.
Stop what? Which one of us said this?
Can you name one other community organizer who never had a real job, no business experience, and never held public office and jumped right to President? Me either.
Obama is hardly the first guy to hold office whose primary experience is politics and not business. Simple point.
True, but he had little political experience either. I blame Mike Ditka for the whole bloody mess.
State senator for 7 years; just a hair under 4 years in the real senate. Taught con law at Chicago, which is better than being an actor or a professional fuck-around in Hyannisport any day. Yeah, it was a little light. But not "none", which is what I'm responding to; we're clearly cherry picking here as you well know. If we'd liked his politics, the narrative would take what I've written just here and make it sound wonderful.
Barack spent most of his US Senate career running for President.
They used to joke about the fact that he was put in the seat to not be in the seat. His bosses put him on the fast track to the Presidency and the Senate was simply a resume filler for him. They couldn't believe they had a black man who could speak well and was good looking according to Biden so they put him in the WH when he was completely unqualified. Like I have said before, he did what all Chicago politicians do, they lie, cheat and steal and rats loved him for it.
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What kind of fucking American are you? You think it was about politics that I didn't like him? He was crooked as hell. You settled and had no problem with that,
No need to go to the hackneyed patriot test.