Remember the trade war
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No emotions whatsoever. None. I'm cold as a cucumber here Bob. As I type this, with steady and controlled key strokes, I'm neither smiling nor frowning. No affect. At all. But one of us does seem to be getting upset, and it's not me.SFGbob said:
My feelings? All you've done is fucking emote and state your "feelings" Kunt. You have zero evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. You have your worthless opinion and nothing more.creepycoug said:
Your feelings seem to be rising to the surface here. I'll restate, because that's what objective people do:SFGbob said:
Good thing that wasn't my argument. But please continue with your strawman ass fuck.creepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
... but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in the fact gathering facility of our adversarial system of justice. As it is, the facts so gathered objectively support my objectively-based opinion that Fat George, armed with a gun and no legal authority to make an arrest, followed a kid at night and eventually gave chase. Those actions shockingly led to a fist fight against a 155 lb. teenager he couldn't handle.
am I still pumping your strawman?
As I was saying, you claiming to be "objective" on this topic is a fucking joke. Now please return to the strawman's asshole you were fucking.
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.
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Keeping fucking that strawman ass Kunt.creepycoug said:
Why are my opinions worthless? Such a @dnc - level thing to say. I'm telling someone.SFGbob said:
Should say the same to you. There was a trial, facts and evidence were presented. And yet you Kunts still hold tight to your worthless opinions.MisterEm said:
And now it seems that "but but trials" is, in fact, your argument, notwithstanding the strawman comments.
When did you become such a statist? When did you stop having opinions about things that otherwise went to trial? You've really changed man.
I said there were facts and evidence presented at the trial. You've emoted and given us your opinion, which is worthless because it is based entirely on the sensations you have emanating from your ignorant ass. -
But they often operate for far too long until they're brought to heel.creepycoug said:
Indeed. I objectively looked at the facts and decided I didn't like what happened. I also objectively looked at the facts of the Mike Brown case and decided what happened was ok. That's big league Objectivity with a capital "O" right there. It's what separates good guys (me) from paper hangers. Or do I need to be a particular kind of objective for you to think I'm objective? Why don't you objectively explain it to me in terms I can understand.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
And while you're at it, clue me in on why you want to die on the hill for this one? There are so many better cases to illustrate the point that bad guys get what's coming to them from law enforcement and other armed people.
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You are wrong. You said strawman because "good thing" trial outcomes not your argument. Then I rephrased to say that fact finding at trial was your argument, which it turns out, it was. So, ergo, no strawman ass fuckio.SFGbob said:
Keeping fucking that strawman ass Kunt.creepycoug said:
Why are my opinions worthless? Such a @dnc - level thing to say. I'm telling someone.SFGbob said:
Should say the same to you. There was a trial, facts and evidence were presented. And yet you Kunts still hold tight to your worthless opinions.MisterEm said:
And now it seems that "but but trials" is, in fact, your argument, notwithstanding the strawman comments.
When did you become such a statist? When did you stop having opinions about things that otherwise went to trial? You've really changed man.
I said there were facts and evidence presented at the trial. You've emoted and given us your opinion, which is worthless because it is based entirely on the sensations you have emanating from your ignorant ass.
It doesn't logically follow that having an opinion means the opinion holder is emotional. You tend to ascribe emotion to others when their opinions differ from yours. It's a pattern Bob. We have a rather large sample size from which to draw. Facts. Math. Boom. Reflect.
As you know, people used to call you Gay Bob a lot. I never understood that particular barb, FWIW. Emotional Bob is much more accurate. For a guy who says, "but but emoting" so much, you sure do lose your shit rather quickly. That's a fact, not an opinion.
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That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
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Like the impeachment?HHusky said:
That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning -
That's how it comes off. I'm just sayin'. It comes off like you want him to fail.HHusky said:
That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning -
Hard to slip anything past you..creepycoug said:
That's how it comes off. I'm just sayin'. It comes off like you want him to fail.HHusky said:
That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
He does -
Bigly.creepycoug said:
That's how it comes off. I'm just sayin'. It comes off like you want him to fail.HHusky said:
That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning -
It would be awfully silly to think the American voter will be able to tell one way or another by November 2020. Hell! Race is declaring victory after Phase One.creepycoug said:
That's how it comes off. I'm just sayin'. It comes off like you want him to fail.HHusky said:
That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning -
Think of it like being excited your team is up at half time.HHusky said:
It would be awfully silly to think the American voter will be able to tell one way or another by November 2020. Hell! Race is declaring victory after Phase One.creepycoug said:
That's how it comes off. I'm just sayin'. It comes off like you want him to fail.HHusky said:
That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning -
RaceBannon said:
Hard to slip anything past you..creepycoug said:
That's how it comes off. I'm just sayin'. It comes off like you want him to fail.HHusky said:
That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
He does
It is. -
I'm sure your support of the stooge Biden is appreciated in ChinaHHusky said:
It would be awfully silly to think the American voter will be able to tell one way or another by November 2020. Hell! Race is declaring victory after Phase One.creepycoug said:
That's how it comes off. I'm just sayin'. It comes off like you want him to fail.HHusky said:
That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
Comrade -
I'll go ahead and grade this an "F"HHusky said:
That’s not really a point of disagreement. The quarrel is with saying we already won something.creepycoug said:
Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
You sure can pile up dullness unlike anything I've ever seen. -
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If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.creepycoug said:
No emotions whatsoever. None. I'm cold as a cucumber here Bob. As I type this, with steady and controlled key strokes, I'm neither smiling nor frowning. No affect. At all. But one of us does seem to be getting upset, and it's not me.SFGbob said:
My feelings? All you've done is fucking emote and state your "feelings" Kunt. You have zero evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. You have your worthless opinion and nothing more.creepycoug said:
Your feelings seem to be rising to the surface here. I'll restate, because that's what objective people do:SFGbob said:
Good thing that wasn't my argument. But please continue with your strawman ass fuck.creepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
... but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in the fact gathering facility of our adversarial system of justice. As it is, the facts so gathered objectively support my objectively-based opinion that Fat George, armed with a gun and no legal authority to make an arrest, followed a kid at night and eventually gave chase. Those actions shockingly led to a fist fight against a 155 lb. teenager he couldn't handle.
am I still pumping your strawman?
As I was saying, you claiming to be "objective" on this topic is a fucking joke. Now please return to the strawman's asshole you were fucking.
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.
Good to know.
Feeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeelings..... -
Like Wisconsin, you lost this one. Quit arguing about the pass interference call.SFGbob said:
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.creepycoug said:
No emotions whatsoever. None. I'm cold as a cucumber here Bob. As I type this, with steady and controlled key strokes, I'm neither smiling nor frowning. No affect. At all. But one of us does seem to be getting upset, and it's not me.SFGbob said:
My feelings? All you've done is fucking emote and state your "feelings" Kunt. You have zero evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. You have your worthless opinion and nothing more.creepycoug said:
Your feelings seem to be rising to the surface here. I'll restate, because that's what objective people do:SFGbob said:
Good thing that wasn't my argument. But please continue with your strawman ass fuck.creepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
... but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in the fact gathering facility of our adversarial system of justice. As it is, the facts so gathered objectively support my objectively-based opinion that Fat George, armed with a gun and no legal authority to make an arrest, followed a kid at night and eventually gave chase. Those actions shockingly led to a fist fight against a 155 lb. teenager he couldn't handle.
am I still pumping your strawman?
As I was saying, you claiming to be "objective" on this topic is a fucking joke. Now please return to the strawman's asshole you were fucking.
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.
Good to know.
Feeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeelings.....
-
Yeah, there's nothing like ignorant asswholes who make up their own "facts" and then declare victory.creepycoug said:
Like Wisconsin, you lost this one. Quit arguing about the pass interference call.SFGbob said:
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.creepycoug said:
No emotions whatsoever. None. I'm cold as a cucumber here Bob. As I type this, with steady and controlled key strokes, I'm neither smiling nor frowning. No affect. At all. But one of us does seem to be getting upset, and it's not me.SFGbob said:
My feelings? All you've done is fucking emote and state your "feelings" Kunt. You have zero evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. You have your worthless opinion and nothing more.creepycoug said:
Your feelings seem to be rising to the surface here. I'll restate, because that's what objective people do:SFGbob said:
Good thing that wasn't my argument. But please continue with your strawman ass fuck.creepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
... but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in the fact gathering facility of our adversarial system of justice. As it is, the facts so gathered objectively support my objectively-based opinion that Fat George, armed with a gun and no legal authority to make an arrest, followed a kid at night and eventually gave chase. Those actions shockingly led to a fist fight against a 155 lb. teenager he couldn't handle.
am I still pumping your strawman?
As I was saying, you claiming to be "objective" on this topic is a fucking joke. Now please return to the strawman's asshole you were fucking.
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.
Good to know.
Feeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeelings..... -
Nope. Not one single made up fact. But what you said was.SFGbob said:
Yeah, there's nothing like ignorant asswholes who make up their own "facts" and then declare victory.creepycoug said:
Like Wisconsin, you lost this one. Quit arguing about the pass interference call.SFGbob said:
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.creepycoug said:
No emotions whatsoever. None. I'm cold as a cucumber here Bob. As I type this, with steady and controlled key strokes, I'm neither smiling nor frowning. No affect. At all. But one of us does seem to be getting upset, and it's not me.SFGbob said:
My feelings? All you've done is fucking emote and state your "feelings" Kunt. You have zero evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. You have your worthless opinion and nothing more.creepycoug said:
Your feelings seem to be rising to the surface here. I'll restate, because that's what objective people do:SFGbob said:
Good thing that wasn't my argument. But please continue with your strawman ass fuck.creepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
... but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in the fact gathering facility of our adversarial system of justice. As it is, the facts so gathered objectively support my objectively-based opinion that Fat George, armed with a gun and no legal authority to make an arrest, followed a kid at night and eventually gave chase. Those actions shockingly led to a fist fight against a 155 lb. teenager he couldn't handle.
am I still pumping your strawman?
As I was saying, you claiming to be "objective" on this topic is a fucking joke. Now please return to the strawman's asshole you were fucking.
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.
Good to know.
Feeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeelings.....
Also, keep moving the goal posts. I’m not as smart as I think I am so it’s hard to keep up. -
What goal post asswhole? You're making up your own "facts" and mistaking your opinion for facts. That's been my position from the outset. There's no evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. There's all kinds of evidence that Trademark did. Saying that he "chased him with a gun" is disingenuous bullshit. You might as well as say he chased him with his dick. Zimmerman was perfectly within his rights to follow Trademark and he broke no laws in doing so. Trademark did break the law when he assaulted Zimmerman. And your claim that Zimmerman had no reason to follow Trademark again is pure bullshit that ignores the facts that were presented at trial.creepycoug said:
Nope. Not one single made up fact. But what you said was.SFGbob said:
Yeah, there's nothing like ignorant asswholes who make up their own "facts" and then declare victory.creepycoug said:
Like Wisconsin, you lost this one. Quit arguing about the pass interference call.SFGbob said:
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.creepycoug said:
No emotions whatsoever. None. I'm cold as a cucumber here Bob. As I type this, with steady and controlled key strokes, I'm neither smiling nor frowning. No affect. At all. But one of us does seem to be getting upset, and it's not me.SFGbob said:
My feelings? All you've done is fucking emote and state your "feelings" Kunt. You have zero evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. You have your worthless opinion and nothing more.creepycoug said:
Your feelings seem to be rising to the surface here. I'll restate, because that's what objective people do:SFGbob said:
Good thing that wasn't my argument. But please continue with your strawman ass fuck.creepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
... but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in the fact gathering facility of our adversarial system of justice. As it is, the facts so gathered objectively support my objectively-based opinion that Fat George, armed with a gun and no legal authority to make an arrest, followed a kid at night and eventually gave chase. Those actions shockingly led to a fist fight against a 155 lb. teenager he couldn't handle.
am I still pumping your strawman?
As I was saying, you claiming to be "objective" on this topic is a fucking joke. Now please return to the strawman's asshole you were fucking.
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.
Good to know.
Feeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeelings.....
Also, keep moving the goal posts. I’m not as smart as I think I am so it’s hard to keep up.
Now declare victory again Kunt. -
feeeelings. nothing more than feeeeelings. trying to forget my, feeeeelings of .....SFGbob said:
What goal post asswhole? You're making up your own "facts" and mistaking your opinion for facts. That's been my position from the outset. There's no evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. There's all kinds of evidence that Trademark did. Saying that he "chased him with a gun" is disingenuous bullshit. You might as well as say he chased him with his dick. Zimmerman was perfectly within his rights to follow Trademark and he broke no laws in doing so. Trademark did break the law when he assaulted Zimmerman. And your claim that Zimmerman had no reason to follow Trademark again is pure bullshit that ignores the facts that were presented at trial.creepycoug said:
Nope. Not one single made up fact. But what you said was.SFGbob said:
Yeah, there's nothing like ignorant asswholes who make up their own "facts" and then declare victory.creepycoug said:
Like Wisconsin, you lost this one. Quit arguing about the pass interference call.SFGbob said:
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.creepycoug said:
No emotions whatsoever. None. I'm cold as a cucumber here Bob. As I type this, with steady and controlled key strokes, I'm neither smiling nor frowning. No affect. At all. But one of us does seem to be getting upset, and it's not me.SFGbob said:
My feelings? All you've done is fucking emote and state your "feelings" Kunt. You have zero evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. You have your worthless opinion and nothing more.creepycoug said:
Your feelings seem to be rising to the surface here. I'll restate, because that's what objective people do:SFGbob said:
Good thing that wasn't my argument. But please continue with your strawman ass fuck.creepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
... but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in the fact gathering facility of our adversarial system of justice. As it is, the facts so gathered objectively support my objectively-based opinion that Fat George, armed with a gun and no legal authority to make an arrest, followed a kid at night and eventually gave chase. Those actions shockingly led to a fist fight against a 155 lb. teenager he couldn't handle.
am I still pumping your strawman?
As I was saying, you claiming to be "objective" on this topic is a fucking joke. Now please return to the strawman's asshole you were fucking.
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.
Good to know.
Feeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeelings.....
Also, keep moving the goal posts. I’m not as smart as I think I am so it’s hard to keep up.
Now declare victory again Kunt.
first of all, his dick couldn't kill the 155 lb. kid he couldn't handle; his gun could. so he was, in FACT, chasing him with a gun. Fact. Boom!
speaking of making up facts, how do you know Treyvon assaulted Zimmerman? how do you know he wasn't defending himself? what would you do if someone were chasing you with a gun, assuming you could nut up at least as much as a skinny 17-year old kid did, which I'm starting to doubt?
someone was just saying in another thread that they don't identify with the actual libertarian party anymore because they don't live in the real world. that's you. so I say, again, ... if I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, and I wind up shooting him, I'll make sure to remind you before you lose your shit (again) that there is no evidence I started the fight.
PS: I now hate Oregon again. Your fault.
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Also, "Victory" declared.
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The fact that every time Trayvon comes up we get 6 pages of the same argument leads me to believe that the AIDS won
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The model of objectivity.creepycoug said:
feeeelings. nothing more than feeeeelings. trying to forget my, feeeeelings of .....SFGbob said:
What goal post asswhole? You're making up your own "facts" and mistaking your opinion for facts. That's been my position from the outset. There's no evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. There's all kinds of evidence that Trademark did. Saying that he "chased him with a gun" is disingenuous bullshit. You might as well as say he chased him with his dick. Zimmerman was perfectly within his rights to follow Trademark and he broke no laws in doing so. Trademark did break the law when he assaulted Zimmerman. And your claim that Zimmerman had no reason to follow Trademark again is pure bullshit that ignores the facts that were presented at trial.creepycoug said:
Nope. Not one single made up fact. But what you said was.SFGbob said:
Yeah, there's nothing like ignorant asswholes who make up their own "facts" and then declare victory.creepycoug said:
Like Wisconsin, you lost this one. Quit arguing about the pass interference call.SFGbob said:
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.creepycoug said:
No emotions whatsoever. None. I'm cold as a cucumber here Bob. As I type this, with steady and controlled key strokes, I'm neither smiling nor frowning. No affect. At all. But one of us does seem to be getting upset, and it's not me.SFGbob said:
My feelings? All you've done is fucking emote and state your "feelings" Kunt. You have zero evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. You have your worthless opinion and nothing more.creepycoug said:
Your feelings seem to be rising to the surface here. I'll restate, because that's what objective people do:SFGbob said:
Good thing that wasn't my argument. But please continue with your strawman ass fuck.creepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
... but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in the fact gathering facility of our adversarial system of justice. As it is, the facts so gathered objectively support my objectively-based opinion that Fat George, armed with a gun and no legal authority to make an arrest, followed a kid at night and eventually gave chase. Those actions shockingly led to a fist fight against a 155 lb. teenager he couldn't handle.
am I still pumping your strawman?
As I was saying, you claiming to be "objective" on this topic is a fucking joke. Now please return to the strawman's asshole you were fucking.
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.
Good to know.
Feeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeelings.....
Also, keep moving the goal posts. I’m not as smart as I think I am so it’s hard to keep up.
Now declare victory again Kunt.
first of all, his dick couldn't kill the 155 lb. kid he couldn't handle; his gun could. so he was, in FACT, chasing him with a gun. Fact. Boom!
speaking of making up facts, how do you know Treyvon assaulted Zimmerman? how do you know he wasn't defending himself? what would you do if someone were chasing you with a gun, assuming you could nut up at least as much as a skinny 17-year old kid did, which I'm starting to doubt?
someone was just saying in another thread that they don't identify with the actual libertarian party anymore because they don't live in the real world. that's you. so I say, again, ... if I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, and I wind up shooting him, I'll make sure to remind you before you lose your shit (again) that there is no evidence I started the fight.
PS: I now hate Oregon again. Your fault.
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What argument? We get Kunts who make shit up and believe their opinions are facts who obviously didn't follow the trial. My point from the very beginning is that for CC to talk about other people not being able to be objective about the Trayvon case is a fucking joke. He chased him with a gun!!!!RaceBannon said:The fact that every time Trayvon comes up we get 6 pages of the same argument leads me to believe that the AIDS won
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When it happened the narrative changing from white guy kills teen to white hispanic kills teen was a big tell on the truth of the narrative
Zimmerman had his day in court and was found not guilty. That's our system. Why it still is such a cause is a mystery to me
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If Jorge Zappata had killed Trayvon you'd have never heard anything about the story.RaceBannon said:When it happened the narrative changing from white guy kills teen to white hispanic kills teen was a big tell on the truth of the narrative
Zimmerman had his day in court and was found not guilty. That's our system. Why it still is such a cause is a mystery to me -
My take is I'm glad Martin is dead. Waste of space. I wish Zimmerman were dead. Waste of space.RaceBannon said:When it happened the narrative changing from white guy kills teen to white hispanic kills teen was a big tell on the truth of the narrative
Zimmerman had his day in court and was found not guilty. That's our system. Why it still is such a cause is a mystery to me
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That's not very objective.SFGbob said:
The model of objectivity.creepycoug said:
feeeelings. nothing more than feeeeelings. trying to forget my, feeeeelings of .....SFGbob said:
What goal post asswhole? You're making up your own "facts" and mistaking your opinion for facts. That's been my position from the outset. There's no evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. There's all kinds of evidence that Trademark did. Saying that he "chased him with a gun" is disingenuous bullshit. You might as well as say he chased him with his dick. Zimmerman was perfectly within his rights to follow Trademark and he broke no laws in doing so. Trademark did break the law when he assaulted Zimmerman. And your claim that Zimmerman had no reason to follow Trademark again is pure bullshit that ignores the facts that were presented at trial.creepycoug said:
Nope. Not one single made up fact. But what you said was.SFGbob said:
Yeah, there's nothing like ignorant asswholes who make up their own "facts" and then declare victory.creepycoug said:
Like Wisconsin, you lost this one. Quit arguing about the pass interference call.SFGbob said:
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.creepycoug said:
No emotions whatsoever. None. I'm cold as a cucumber here Bob. As I type this, with steady and controlled key strokes, I'm neither smiling nor frowning. No affect. At all. But one of us does seem to be getting upset, and it's not me.SFGbob said:
My feelings? All you've done is fucking emote and state your "feelings" Kunt. You have zero evidence that Zimmerman started any fight. You have your worthless opinion and nothing more.creepycoug said:
Your feelings seem to be rising to the surface here. I'll restate, because that's what objective people do:SFGbob said:
Good thing that wasn't my argument. But please continue with your strawman ass fuck.creepycoug said:
Not a very good argument, but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in our system of justice, such as it is. Casey What's Her Face killed her kid, everybody in the clear thinking world knows it, even her parents, and yet she walks around today free as a bird. Trials get fucked up every day. I can live with that. It's reality.SFGbob said:
Model of objectivitycreepycoug said:
Offense taken. I was a model of objectivity, and then some.SFGbob said:
No offense but you weren't exactly the model of objectivity when it came to the Trayvon matter.creepycoug said:
I gotta say here man, you are coming off like the guy who is going to see it his way no matter what is put under his nose. I hate that in people. It reminds me of arguing with Sledog on the Trayvon matter - obstinance for the sake of obstinance. Buckling down on China was always a good move, no matter who makes it.HHusky said:
One of us declared victory. Now you’re saying two thirds of the war remains.RaceBannon said:
What does part one of three mean to you?HHusky said:
Sounds like the war is still on.UW_Doog_Bot said:Good news for the short term markets but it's a stalling tactic by the CCP I have no doubt, just like everything they've ever agreed to in regards to the WTO etc. At least it seems like Trump understands enforcement is necessary or they'll just continue to lie.
I'm sure they are hoping Trump is gone in 2020 and Biden can give them the green light.
Also this, "Beijing also rejected a call to include a pledge not to hack US companies, arguing such a promise was not part of a trade deal." which effectively means that they'll continue tech transfer as a large portion of their GDP.
Best case scenario, this floats the economy past the world headwinds of 2020, helps Trump get re-elected, and he can double down on decoupling in the second term.
It really comes down to the fact that the economy and political system the CCP has built can't stand an actual free market.
You can ask a friend if you need to
I guess I was right again. #TiredOfAllTheWinning
I'm not a protectionist by any means or measure, but China has never been free trade. I have no issue with their economy growing even it means manufacturing jobs moving from here to there, as long as it's market driven. That's organic growth, that's real and they deserve it if they can get it.
But fuck ... even in the commodity business you have to go through a gauntlet of pick pockets at the port dock in China before you get anywhere near your markets, and even then you are faced with more obstacles. That we sell anything there at all is a minor miracle.
Free market theory works when everybody is playing free market. Not sometimes and when they feel like it. China bad.
I didn't know Travyon, I don't care about Trayvon and I believe firmly in the right to defend yourself and your property, with lethal force if necessary. But I'm a firm believer in the right of any citizen to take a walk at night without being harassed by a police academy reject carrying a gun ... a guy who has proven beyond any doubt that he is a giant piece of shit to be afforded zero credibility. Acting like a thug on the internet and getting into a few scrapes in high school doesn't constitute forfeiture of those rights.
It is beyond my comprehension how anyone wouldn't be a little troubled by what happened there. I still can't really figure out your angle on it, but Sleddy was just being a stubborn mule ... a guy who had no moves to make but just kept making them to make them. Hence, my reference to him in that chat as a comparison to the one you call El Monte ... at least I think that's him.
If only there had been a trial where all of the facts of the case could have been presented.
I rest my case.
Accepting a trial outcome like an adult, and being ok with Zimmerman's role in what happened, are two very different things. At least they are where I'm concerned. YMMV. Zimmerman FS started a fight with a kid he couldn't finish and shot him. All that kid was doing that night was walking from point A to B. I'm no fan of gun control, but Zimmerman's fat pockmarked face is the poster for it.
... but it's good to know you have such strong and abiding faith in the fact gathering facility of our adversarial system of justice. As it is, the facts so gathered objectively support my objectively-based opinion that Fat George, armed with a gun and no legal authority to make an arrest, followed a kid at night and eventually gave chase. Those actions shockingly led to a fist fight against a 155 lb. teenager he couldn't handle.
am I still pumping your strawman?
As I was saying, you claiming to be "objective" on this topic is a fucking joke. Now please return to the strawman's asshole you were fucking.
If I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, you'll first want to sort out who technically started the fight if, God forbid, something 'goes wrong'.
Good to know.
Feeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeelings.....
Also, keep moving the goal posts. I’m not as smart as I think I am so it’s hard to keep up.
Now declare victory again Kunt.
first of all, his dick couldn't kill the 155 lb. kid he couldn't handle; his gun could. so he was, in FACT, chasing him with a gun. Fact. Boom!
speaking of making up facts, how do you know Treyvon assaulted Zimmerman? how do you know he wasn't defending himself? what would you do if someone were chasing you with a gun, assuming you could nut up at least as much as a skinny 17-year old kid did, which I'm starting to doubt?
someone was just saying in another thread that they don't identify with the actual libertarian party anymore because they don't live in the real world. that's you. so I say, again, ... if I ever find myself chasing your baseball superstar with a gun, at night and for no reason, and I wind up shooting him, I'll make sure to remind you before you lose your shit (again) that there is no evidence I started the fight.
PS: I now hate Oregon again. Your fault.
Victory is mine. -
He had a gun, and the dispatcher told him to not pursue him. He ignored the dispatcher and found himself face to face with an unarmed 155 lb. kid, who kicked his ass.SFGbob said:
What argument? We get Kunts who make shit up and believe their opinions are facts who obviously didn't follow the trial. My point from the very beginning is that for CC to talk about other people not being able to be objective about the Trayvon case is a fucking joke. He chased him with a gun!!!!RaceBannon said:The fact that every time Trayvon comes up we get 6 pages of the same argument leads me to believe that the AIDS won
Again
Facts. Boom!
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