OC position
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It’s the Browns. That’s a mess from the top down. I don’t see that changing.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection?
For the Bucs, his offenses lit up big numbers. No coach has been able to coach throwing picks out of Jameis Winston.
Monken has done it for longer, he’s coached in both college and pro. He was associated with really good offenses at Oklahoma State and he had Southern Miss doing very well on offense too. -
Except against Cal, Stanford, and Colorado but otherwise, yeahRaceBannon said:Moore has the Cowboys doing well against losing teams and struggling against good teams in his 15 game career
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Kidnap Kyle Shanahan after SNF is over and make him be OC next year
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Hard to say. He’s obviously become a great QB but he wasn’t anything special last year. I don’t knock him at all for losing the job to Haskins considering Haskins was a Heisman contender and threw 50 TD’s and was picked in the first round himself.DawgDaze71 said:I”m thinking LSU’s magic is Burrow more than Brady.
The coaching and scheme changed at LSU and they are fucking rolling. I do think that they will drop off from Burrows (anyone would), but something is going good there besides just Burrow. The rest of the team is playing with a ton of confidence. Confidence is contagious.
This ties back to the point that TBS is so important and coaching isn’t. They both are. LSU always had a lot of talent but wasn’t coming close to this level ever. -
I wouldn't say Moore is a bad hire. Everyone on here has said that coordinators are hot one day, and fired the next. Same with the hot head coaches. Where I think the Moore statement rings true is recruiting. Moore isn't responsible for recruiting in the NFL and has never had to recruit a day in his life or build a team around 18-20 yr olds. Moore's entire career was built on his ability to be incredibly smart, while a bonus in one corner for the OC job, also means you need a guy just as smart as your QB to see what he sees.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection?
The entire coaching world is going to revert back after another couple years to normal levels of graduation jobs. Right now anyone who smells of decent is the "next" savant young coach. Most will be fired within a year or two and back to coordinators or qb coaches.
Not sure if Monken would be a reality, but given that he's done the job in college and recruited, I'd assume he'd be ready to hit the ground running.
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All that being said, please don’t hire MooreFreeChavez said:
I wouldn't say Moore is a bad hire. Everyone on here has said that coordinators are hot one day, and fired the next. Same with the hot head coaches. Where I think the Moore statement rings true is recruiting. Moore isn't responsible for recruiting in the NFL and has never had to recruit a day in his life or build a team around 18-20 yr olds. Moore's entire career was built on his ability to be incredibly smart, while a bonus in one corner for the OC job, also means you need a guy just as smart as your QB to see what he sees.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection?
The entire coaching world is going to revert back after another couple years to normal levels of graduation jobs. Right now anyone who smells of decent is the "next" savant young coach. Most will be fired within a year or two and back to coordinators or qb coaches.
Not sure if Monken would be a reality, but given that he's done the job in college and recruited, I'd assume he'd be ready to hit the ground running.
And at the end of the day nobody fucking knows. -
I don’t want Moore, but to expect him to run a version of Pete’s offense is probably short sighted.
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dude we do not need another bush 2.0, that gives up a running game as soon as the running game gets going. they all are (pete, bush, kellen) are all cut from the same cloth.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection? -
FreeChavez said:
I wouldn't say Moore is a bad hire. Everyone on here has said that coordinators are hot one day, and fired the next. Same with the hot head coaches. Where I think the Moore statement rings true is recruiting. Moore isn't responsible for recruiting in the NFL and has never had to recruit a day in his life or build a team around 18-20 yr olds. Moore's entire career was built on his ability to be incredibly smart, while a bonus in one corner for the OC job, also means you need a guy just as smart as your QB to see what he sees.bananasnblondes said:So I havent done a ton of research on each individual OC candidate, but why do we(?) think Todd Monken, whose offense was a complete disaster this year, would be a homerun hire but Kellen Moore, whose offense was statistically pretty damn good, would be a terrible hire?
Is it just the Boise State connection?
The entire coaching world is going to revert back after another couple years to normal levels of graduation jobs. Right now anyone who smells of decent is the "next" savant young coach. Most will be fired within a year or two and back to coordinators or qb coaches.
Not sure if Monken would be a reality, but given that he's done the job in college and recruited, I'd assume he'd be ready to hit the ground running.
And at the end of the day nobody fucking knows.
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