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America's greatest MUST WIN military victory of all time?

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  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Normandy - 1944
    Washington just had to stay alive and avoid a rout. By evading and Sarking his way to a spirit of ‘76 record, he allowed the SEC to get it’s guys in there and roll Cornwallis.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,482 Founders Club
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    I like battle hawt talk.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Normandy - 1944
    If the Allies take a loss at Normandy, fortress Europe holds and we enter a stalemate. The 101st and 82nd Airborne would be stranded behind enemy lines with no hope of resupply. At the very least many more casualties in follow up landing attempts. Nazis don’t get pressured on multiple fronts. A lot of things have to go right to end up with the same outcome. Not a lot of things have to happen for Hitler and Nazi Germany to remain a military power.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Normandy - 1944

    If the Allies take a loss at Normandy, fortress Europe holds and we enter a stalemate. The 101st and 82nd Airborne would be stranded behind enemy lines with no hope of resupply. At the very least many more casualties in follow up landing attempts. Nazis don’t get pressured on multiple fronts. A lot of things have to go right to end up with the same outcome. Not a lot of things have to happen for Hitler and Nazi Germany to remain a military power.

    The Soviets would have still ended up in Berlin even if Overlord failed. Probably not by April 1945 but it was still going to happen. Consider that 90% of all Whermacht casualties in the war were inflicted by the Soviets. The importance of Normandy was that it enabled us to keep much of Europe out of the Soviet sphere.


    I don’t know. A massive defeat at Normandy might have totally stalled the Allies. Second guessing is a bitch. Just look at Africa and Italy.

    Meanwhile, the Nazis would have been riding high, had more time and resources to devote to the East.

    Let’s say the Soviets roll them anyways (most likely)...if we aren’t meeting them in Berlin, do they stop? I doubt it. Now we are maybe meeting them in Paris? Do we stalemate or do we fight them now that they’ve violated our alliance by invading France (under the pretense of wiping out remaining Nazi units/leaders)? Either way, seems much worse than the way it played out.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,096 Standard Supporter
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    No Battle of New Orleans, no Old Hickory. No Old Hickory, no Trail of Tears. No Trail of Tears, no @Swaye descendants hooking up. No @Swaye, just a bunch of old rich white guys posting here.

    Andrew Jackson founded motherfucking Hardcore Husky. No two ways about it.

    In 1814 we took a little trip
    Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
    We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
    And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.

    [Chorus:]
    We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
    There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
    We fired once more and they began to runnin' on
    Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

    We looked down the river and we see'd the British come.
    And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum.
    They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring.
    We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.

    [Chorus]

    Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
    If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye
    We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well.
    Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... well

    [Chorus]

    Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
    And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
    They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
    Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**

    We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down.
    So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
    We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
    And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.

    [Chorus]

    Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
    And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
    They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
    Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YL3gIFRAnI
    Love that song - and North to Alaska - but Johnny Motherfucking Horton had some pretty rayciss tunes if you look hard enough. Found that out back in the days of Napster buying my first legal downloads.

  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,384 Founders Club
    Gettysburg - 1863


    No Battle of New Orleans, no Old Hickory. No Old Hickory, no Trail of Tears. No Trail of Tears, no @Swaye descendants hooking up. No @Swaye, just a bunch of old rich white guys posting here.

    Andrew Jackson founded motherfucking Hardcore Husky. No two ways about it.

    In 1814 we took a little trip
    Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
    We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
    And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.

    [Chorus:]
    We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
    There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
    We fired once more and they began to runnin' on
    Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

    We looked down the river and we see'd the British come.
    And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum.
    They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring.
    We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.

    [Chorus]

    Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
    If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye
    We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well.
    Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... well

    [Chorus]

    Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
    And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
    They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
    Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**

    We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down.
    So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
    We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
    And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.

    [Chorus]

    Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
    And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
    They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
    Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YL3gIFRAnI
    Love that song - and North to Alaska - but Johnny Motherfucking Horton had some pretty rayciss tunes if you look hard enough. Found that out back in the days of Napster buying my first legal downloads.

    North to Alaska is the greatest song about about Huskies after my avatar...

    He talked to his team of Huskies as he mushed them across the snow
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,384 Founders Club
    Gettysburg - 1863

    If the Allies take a loss at Normandy, fortress Europe holds and we enter a stalemate. The 101st and 82nd Airborne would be stranded behind enemy lines with no hope of resupply. At the very least many more casualties in follow up landing attempts. Nazis don’t get pressured on multiple fronts. A lot of things have to go right to end up with the same outcome. Not a lot of things have to happen for Hitler and Nazi Germany to remain a military power.

    The Soviets would have still ended up in Berlin even if Overlord failed. Probably not by April 1945 but it was still going to happen. Consider that 90% of all Whermacht casualties in the war were inflicted by the Soviets. The importance of Normandy was that it enabled us to keep much of Europe out of the Soviet sphere.


    I don’t know. A massive defeat at Normandy might have totally stalled the Allies. Second guessing is a bitch. Just look at Africa and Italy.

    Meanwhile, the Nazis would have been riding high, had more time and resources to devote to the East.

    Let’s say the Soviets roll them anyways (most likely)...if we aren’t meeting them in Berlin, do they stop? I doubt it. Now we are maybe meeting them in Paris? Do we stalemate or do we fight them now that they’ve violated our alliance by invading France (under the pretense of wiping out remaining Nazi units/leaders)? Either way, seems much worse than the way it played out.
    We can agree getting thwarted on the beaches of Normandy would have been a disaster. It's difficult to say how far the Soviets would have advanced. We had some leverage in the sense that they were still receiving massive lend lease aid from us. We know the bomb was ready by Aug 1945. Might Germany have received it first?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,681 Founders Club

    If the Allies take a loss at Normandy, fortress Europe holds and we enter a stalemate. The 101st and 82nd Airborne would be stranded behind enemy lines with no hope of resupply. At the very least many more casualties in follow up landing attempts. Nazis don’t get pressured on multiple fronts. A lot of things have to go right to end up with the same outcome. Not a lot of things have to happen for Hitler and Nazi Germany to remain a military power.

    The Soviets would have still ended up in Berlin even if Overlord failed. Probably not by April 1945 but it was still going to happen. Consider that 90% of all Whermacht casualties in the war were inflicted by the Soviets. The importance of Normandy was that it enabled us to keep much of Europe out of the Soviet sphere.


    I don’t know. A massive defeat at Normandy might have totally stalled the Allies. Second guessing is a bitch. Just look at Africa and Italy.

    Meanwhile, the Nazis would have been riding high, had more time and resources to devote to the East.

    Let’s say the Soviets roll them anyways (most likely)...if we aren’t meeting them in Berlin, do they stop? I doubt it. Now we are maybe meeting them in Paris? Do we stalemate or do we fight them now that they’ve violated our alliance by invading France (under the pretense of wiping out remaining Nazi units/leaders)? Either way, seems much worse than the way it played out.
    We can agree getting thwarted on the beaches of Normandy would have been a disaster. It's difficult to say how far the Soviets would have advanced. We had some leverage in the sense that they were still receiving massive lend lease aid from us. We know the bomb was ready by Aug 1945. Might Germany have received it first?
    My woke history taught me that the bomb was reserved for the yellow folks not the white folks

    Probably because the Japs bombed us and we were still really pissed off

    Or racist
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,681 Founders Club
    Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people

    WW2 was brutal

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,681 Founders Club
    The Brits did Dresden

    That was revenge too
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,384 Founders Club
    Gettysburg - 1863

    The Brits did Dresden

    That was revenge too

    It was a team effort. They sent 769 bombers to our 527.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    Normandy - 1944

    Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people

    WW2 was brutal

    Better 80k of theirs than 1 of ours.

    War is hell.
  • digitsdigits Member Posts: 1,524
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    Battle of the Little Bighorn - 1876

    On June 25, 1876, while leading the 7th Cavalry Regiment at the Battle of the Little Bighorn in Montana Territory against a coalition of Native American tribes, George Armstrong Custer was killed along with over one third of his command during an action later romanticized as "Custer's Last Stand". - Wiki
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