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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

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    @creepycoug just went *poof*. Too many references to Marx and you are on a watchlist.

    It's God's [Stalin's] way of telling me to quit arguing with the retard.
    I see we're down to liberal name calling. All the same. Never having lived in the world makes one sensitive. Having lived in the world I could give a hit what you or anyone else says. I've had more insults and threats than Trump. Like water off a ducks back.

    Now go back to your Marxist studies. I know how interesting they were for you. Did you do Lenin, Engels, Mao, Stalin Krushchev and Ho too?

    Betting you did at least some of them. Just to see. Getting sucked in in college isn't knew here but some of us resisted those washed up hippie professors.
    The irony of you saying this to someone that fled communism is mind numbing.
    Who fled communism?
    And, still, the essential point eludes you.

    Bad night for cops.
    Well I don't recall. So many people so many stories. I know you have some Cuban/Spanish you were in Cuba? If so I am unaware.

    Eludes? Maybe. Don't know definitely.
    I used to think your routine was a schtick.

    Now I'm more convinced that you are an actual moron in real life. Either born that way or serious head trauma in your Copper life.


    Either way, you're fucking stupid.
    I don't know your life story. Nor do i, at this point, give two shits. You are definitely an attorney. Petty. HTH
    I don't know your life story. Nor do i, at this point, give two shits. You are definitely a donut-shop frequenting, evidence-planting, dishonest ex-Copper.
    The upside is there is nothing as low as an attorney.
    Upside? What does that even mean? Your trash talk ranges from non-sensical to 5th grade. It's like your're stupid or something.

    You made a complete fool of yourself in this thread. Everybody saw it. I thought for a second you had an ounce of common sense and had decided to cut your losses.

    But like every other dumb shit, you keeping coming in for more, refusing to give up, and cementing your legend.

    You're becoming monotonous. Get a grip.
    How rich, coming from you.

    Spectacular stupidity. Stop being afraid of books.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,895
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    @creepycoug just went *poof*. Too many references to Marx and you are on a watchlist.

    It's God's [Stalin's] way of telling me to quit arguing with the retard.
    I see we're down to liberal name calling. All the same. Never having lived in the world makes one sensitive. Having lived in the world I could give a hit what you or anyone else says. I've had more insults and threats than Trump. Like water off a ducks back.

    Now go back to your Marxist studies. I know how interesting they were for you. Did you do Lenin, Engels, Mao, Stalin Krushchev and Ho too?

    Betting you did at least some of them. Just to see. Getting sucked in in college isn't knew here but some of us resisted those washed up hippie professors.
    The irony of you saying this to someone that fled communism is mind numbing.
    Who fled communism?
    And, still, the essential point eludes you.

    Bad night for cops.
    Well I don't recall. So many people so many stories. I know you have some Cuban/Spanish you were in Cuba? If so I am unaware.

    Eludes? Maybe. Don't know definitely.
    I used to think your routine was a schtick.

    Now I'm more convinced that you are an actual moron in real life. Either born that way or serious head trauma in your Copper life.


    Either way, you're fucking stupid.
    I don't know your life story. Nor do i, at this point, give two shits. You are definitely an attorney. Petty. HTH
    I don't know your life story. Nor do i, at this point, give two shits. You are definitely a donut-shop frequenting, evidence-planting, dishonest ex-Copper.
    The upside is there is nothing as low as an attorney.
    Upside? What does that even mean? Your trash talk ranges from non-sensical to 5th grade. It's like your're stupid or something.

    You made a complete fool of yourself in this thread. Everybody saw it. I thought for a second you had an ounce of common sense and had decided to cut your losses.

    But like every other dumb shit, you keeping coming in for more, refusing to give up, and cementing your legend.

    You're becoming monotonous. Get a grip.
    How rich, coming from you.

    Spectacular stupidity. Stop being afraid of books.
    Stop being a snowflake. Any more sensitive you'll need a skirt.

    I have no fear of books. I have few fears anymore.

    Evidently you have many.
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,942
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    CC is a pathetic troll. He can't articulate a series of first intellectual principles. He votes for free sh*t, lies and raw power over the rule of law. He is free to post is first principles. He won't. Leftards lie and love to be lied to
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,201
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    CC is a pathetic troll. He can't articulate a series of first intellectual principles. He votes for free sh*t, lies and raw power over the rule of law. He is free to post is first principles. He won't. Leftards lie and love to be lied to

    Gasbag gotta gasbag.
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    KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,750
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    This has been an interesting thread. The 2nd half of it featured true higher level discussion sandwiched between the standard AIDS. There are a handful of smart mother fuckers on here. Some that dare I say make me think and feel.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    edited June 2019

    CC is a pathetic troll. He can't articulate a series of first intellectual principles. He votes for free sh*t, lies and raw power over the rule of law. He is free to post is first principles. He won't. Leftards lie and love to be lied to

    Someone hit the fanatic retard button.

    Stop being a pussy and being scared of people who don't agree with you OBK.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,895
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    CC is a pathetic troll. He can't articulate a series of first intellectual principles. He votes for free sh*t, lies and raw power over the rule of law. He is free to post is first principles. He won't. Leftards lie and love to be lied to

    Someone hit the fanatic retard button.

    Stop being a pussy and being scared of people who don't agree with you OBK.
    Ironic.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    Sledog said:

    CC is a pathetic troll. He can't articulate a series of first intellectual principles. He votes for free sh*t, lies and raw power over the rule of law. He is free to post is first principles. He won't. Leftards lie and love to be lied to

    Someone hit the fanatic retard button.

    Stop being a pussy and being scared of people who don't agree with you OBK.
    Ironic.
    Almost as ironic as the dishonest Cop who wrote these two gems:

    Stop being a snowflake. Any more sensitive you'll need a skirt.

    Who's afraid of books? See their is your liberal bullshit again. Plant evidence? What a crock of shit. People get arrested because they commit crimes and get caught. It ain't like the show CSI you watch on TV. You probably think cops sit around saying "lets shoot a black guy tonight" at briefing too.

    Copper blah blah blah.

    Time for the donut shop dipshit.


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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 30,895
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    Sledog said:

    CC is a pathetic troll. He can't articulate a series of first intellectual principles. He votes for free sh*t, lies and raw power over the rule of law. He is free to post is first principles. He won't. Leftards lie and love to be lied to

    Someone hit the fanatic retard button.

    Stop being a pussy and being scared of people who don't agree with you OBK.
    Ironic.
    Almost as ironic as the dishonest Cop who wrote these two gems:

    Stop being a snowflake. Any more sensitive you'll need a skirt.

    Who's afraid of books? See their is your liberal bullshit again. Plant evidence? What a crock of shit. People get arrested because they commit crimes and get caught. It ain't like the show CSI you watch on TV. You probably think cops sit around saying "lets shoot a black guy tonight" at briefing too.

    Copper blah blah blah.

    Time for the donut shop dipshit.


    No ambulances to chase today? Maybe one of your lackeys can stage a slip and fall.
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    GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,147
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    SFGbob said:

    The dems spent 20 yrs radicalizing a generation by indoctrination in the public school system. That generation is now going to eat them.

    I think one of the things pushing young folks to the left has been the cost of college and the debt many of these kids are incurring from their school expenses.

    But you have to ask, who is running the schools? Who is making college so expensive? What is making housing so expensive in liberal run cities and states? It's not conservatives or conservative policies.
    College Expense: I don't know for certain, but I've asked the same thing. I'm aware of a few things that must be drivers. For instance, most faculty get some kind of pension and they tend to have good healthcare coverage. Pensions, as even profitable corporations have found, are expensive af - a promise most wished they'd never made (see the many 8-K filings out there reporting pension transfer transactions numbering in the billions of $). Healthcare is everybody's million $ question. Professors don't make much money relative to their options, and so it seems these benefits have settled in as strongly market driven. It is a long and hard road to get a PhD, and not everyone has what it takes. These people tend to be expensive labor. The other thing that makes it expensive is the government and all the other sources of free money. Not everyone should or needs to go to college. Take the free money out of the equation, and I suspect the price would drop.

    Liberal Run Cities: Again, I'm not the expert. But I would surmise that's it's almost entirely driven by good old fashioned supply and demand dynamics. SF, Seattle, Chicago, DC, Boston, Austin, LA, etc. are money towns. Commerce, capital formation, demand for expensive talent, etc. ... these things happen in those cities to a greater extent than they do elsewhere. I just got back from Indianapolis. Not as much going on there as there is here in Seattle, for example. I'm sure the liberal city councils and the extra taxes and fees and bullshit contribute to the expense, but I'm guessing it's a drop in the bucket relative to the main driver.
    This, you can line up the surge in educational costs with the surge in federal money and student loans. Most of it has gone to administration. That's what happens when the government gets in business.

    I actually think the driver for city pricing is just good old fashioned NIMBY-ism which spans both left and right. Cities where the supply of housing can't get built to accommodate the increase in demand have increasing prices. Everyone is for affordable housing when they are renting and against development once they own property.
    Absolutely. Another thing that gets overlooked is the cultural shift to the city. Young, up and coming millenials and Gen Z'ers are choosing to spend their money to live in cities. I'm generalizing heavily, but wealthy boomers in contrast flocked to the suburbs, leaving the cities to stay relatively ungentrified and affordable. Seattle itself is a microcosm of this. If Microsoft were starting today, they wouldn't put their HQ in a sleepy Seattle suburb, they'd pull an Amazon and build their own urban neighborhood.
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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,273
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    Swaye said:

    SFGbob said:

    The dems spent 20 yrs radicalizing a generation by indoctrination in the public school system. That generation is now going to eat them.

    I think one of the things pushing young folks to the left has been the cost of college and the debt many of these kids are incurring from their school expenses.

    But you have to ask, who is running the schools? Who is making college so expensive? What is making housing so expensive in liberal run cities and states? It's not conservatives or conservative policies.
    College Expense: I don't know for certain, but I've asked the same thing. I'm aware of a few things that must be drivers. For instance, most faculty get some kind of pension and they tend to have good healthcare coverage. Pensions, as even profitable corporations have found, are expensive af - a promise most wished they'd never made (see the many 8-K filings out there reporting pension transfer transactions numbering in the billions of $). Healthcare is everybody's million $ question. Professors don't make much money relative to their options, and so it seems these benefits have settled in as strongly market driven. It is a long and hard road to get a PhD, and not everyone has what it takes. These people tend to be expensive labor. The other thing that makes it expensive is the government and all the other sources of free money. Not everyone should or needs to go to college. Take the free money out of the equation, and I suspect the price would drop.

    Liberal Run Cities: Again, I'm not the expert. But I would surmise that's it's almost entirely driven by good old fashioned supply and demand dynamics. SF, Seattle, Chicago, DC, Boston, Austin, LA, etc. are money towns. Commerce, capital formation, demand for expensive talent, etc. ... these things happen in those cities to a greater extent than they do elsewhere. I just got back from Indianapolis. Not as much going on there as there is here in Seattle, for example. I'm sure the liberal city councils and the extra taxes and fees and bullshit contribute to the expense, but I'm guessing it's a drop in the bucket relative to the main driver.
    This, you can line up the surge in educational costs with the surge in federal money and student loans. Most of it has gone to administration. That's what happens when the government gets in business.

    I actually think the driver for city pricing is just good old fashioned NIMBY-ism which spans both left and right. Cities where the supply of housing can't get built to accommodate the increase in demand have increasing prices. Everyone is for affordable housing when they are renting and against development once they own property.
    Absolutely. Another thing that gets overlooked is the cultural shift to the city. Young, up and coming millenials and Gen Z'ers are choosing to spend their money to live in cities. I'm generalizing heavily, but wealthy boomers in contrast flocked to the suburbs, leaving the cities to stay relatively ungentrified and affordable. Seattle itself is a microcosm of this. If Microsoft were starting today, they wouldn't put their HQ in a sleepy Seattle suburb, they'd pull an Amazon and build their own urban neighborhood.
    Agree hard in DC. In my day, ILTCIMD, when you hit it big and got your first good paying job in your late 20's to early 30's, you headed for a nice 3K square foot house in the burbs so your new wife could schlep the kids (in a few years when they got old enough) to idyllic soccer fields in whatever SUV was cool and you could maintain your lawn and chat with neighbors over a beer with nary the sound of a car horn or ambulance for miles and miles in any direction. This was only 20 years ago.

    Now, all the mid 20's to early 30's people I work with who are earning good coin are putting huge down payments on brick front townhouses right in the thick of the city in Alexandria, Arlington, Dupont Circle and the better areas of DC. The thought of living in the suburbs is like dying to them. They are sending their kids to overcrowded schools, and listening to traffic and ambulances all day and night with nary a yard to manicure in sight. This, to them, is nirvana. They live two blocks from a Crossfit Gym, one block from a Starbucks, and right next door to a Trader Joe's. Them and 15,000 other people in a 6 block radius. Pure millennial bliss.

    Fucking weird how much this shit has changed.
    Weird how black flight can make whyte peeple comfortable in cities again.

    No but seriously, urban crime being way fucking down has yugely helped gentrification occur.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    CC is a pathetic troll. He can't articulate a series of first intellectual principles. He votes for free sh*t, lies and raw power over the rule of law. He is free to post is first principles. He won't. Leftards lie and love to be lied to

    Someone hit the fanatic retard button.

    Stop being a pussy and being scared of people who don't agree with you OBK.
    Ironic.
    Almost as ironic as the dishonest Cop who wrote these two gems:

    Stop being a snowflake. Any more sensitive you'll need a skirt.

    Who's afraid of books? See their is your liberal bullshit again. Plant evidence? What a crock of shit. People get arrested because they commit crimes and get caught. It ain't like the show CSI you watch on TV. You probably think cops sit around saying "lets shoot a black guy tonight" at briefing too.

    Copper blah blah blah.

    Time for the donut shop dipshit.


    No ambulances to chase today? Maybe one of your lackeys can stage a slip and fall.
    Some of your best work.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    Swaye said:

    SFGbob said:

    The dems spent 20 yrs radicalizing a generation by indoctrination in the public school system. That generation is now going to eat them.

    I think one of the things pushing young folks to the left has been the cost of college and the debt many of these kids are incurring from their school expenses.

    But you have to ask, who is running the schools? Who is making college so expensive? What is making housing so expensive in liberal run cities and states? It's not conservatives or conservative policies.
    College Expense: I don't know for certain, but I've asked the same thing. I'm aware of a few things that must be drivers. For instance, most faculty get some kind of pension and they tend to have good healthcare coverage. Pensions, as even profitable corporations have found, are expensive af - a promise most wished they'd never made (see the many 8-K filings out there reporting pension transfer transactions numbering in the billions of $). Healthcare is everybody's million $ question. Professors don't make much money relative to their options, and so it seems these benefits have settled in as strongly market driven. It is a long and hard road to get a PhD, and not everyone has what it takes. These people tend to be expensive labor. The other thing that makes it expensive is the government and all the other sources of free money. Not everyone should or needs to go to college. Take the free money out of the equation, and I suspect the price would drop.

    Liberal Run Cities: Again, I'm not the expert. But I would surmise that's it's almost entirely driven by good old fashioned supply and demand dynamics. SF, Seattle, Chicago, DC, Boston, Austin, LA, etc. are money towns. Commerce, capital formation, demand for expensive talent, etc. ... these things happen in those cities to a greater extent than they do elsewhere. I just got back from Indianapolis. Not as much going on there as there is here in Seattle, for example. I'm sure the liberal city councils and the extra taxes and fees and bullshit contribute to the expense, but I'm guessing it's a drop in the bucket relative to the main driver.
    This, you can line up the surge in educational costs with the surge in federal money and student loans. Most of it has gone to administration. That's what happens when the government gets in business.

    I actually think the driver for city pricing is just good old fashioned NIMBY-ism which spans both left and right. Cities where the supply of housing can't get built to accommodate the increase in demand have increasing prices. Everyone is for affordable housing when they are renting and against development once they own property.
    Absolutely. Another thing that gets overlooked is the cultural shift to the city. Young, up and coming millenials and Gen Z'ers are choosing to spend their money to live in cities. I'm generalizing heavily, but wealthy boomers in contrast flocked to the suburbs, leaving the cities to stay relatively ungentrified and affordable. Seattle itself is a microcosm of this. If Microsoft were starting today, they wouldn't put their HQ in a sleepy Seattle suburb, they'd pull an Amazon and build their own urban neighborhood.
    Agree hard in DC. In my day, ILTCIMD, when you hit it big and got your first good paying job in your late 20's to early 30's, you headed for a nice 3K square foot house in the burbs so your new wife could schlep the kids (in a few years when they got old enough) to idyllic soccer fields in whatever SUV was cool and you could maintain your lawn and chat with neighbors over a beer with nary the sound of a car horn or ambulance for miles and miles in any direction. This was only 20 years ago.

    Now, all the mid 20's to early 30's people I work with who are earning good coin are putting huge down payments on brick front townhouses right in the thick of the city in Alexandria, Arlington, Dupont Circle and the better areas of DC. The thought of living in the suburbs is like dying to them. They are sending their kids to overcrowded schools, and listening to traffic and ambulances all day and night with nary a yard to manicure in sight. This, to them, is nirvana. They live two blocks from a Crossfit Gym, one block from a Starbucks, and right next door to a Trader Joe's. Them and 15,000 other people in a 6 block radius. Pure millennial bliss.

    Fucking weird how much this shit has changed.
    Is it ok that I smiled and figuratively patted myself on the back for immediately interpreting ILTCIMD? Because I fucking did!!! Yeah bitches!!!! First take and I got it.
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,066
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    Swaye said:

    SFGbob said:

    The dems spent 20 yrs radicalizing a generation by indoctrination in the public school system. That generation is now going to eat them.

    I think one of the things pushing young folks to the left has been the cost of college and the debt many of these kids are incurring from their school expenses.

    But you have to ask, who is running the schools? Who is making college so expensive? What is making housing so expensive in liberal run cities and states? It's not conservatives or conservative policies.
    College Expense: I don't know for certain, but I've asked the same thing. I'm aware of a few things that must be drivers. For instance, most faculty get some kind of pension and they tend to have good healthcare coverage. Pensions, as even profitable corporations have found, are expensive af - a promise most wished they'd never made (see the many 8-K filings out there reporting pension transfer transactions numbering in the billions of $). Healthcare is everybody's million $ question. Professors don't make much money relative to their options, and so it seems these benefits have settled in as strongly market driven. It is a long and hard road to get a PhD, and not everyone has what it takes. These people tend to be expensive labor. The other thing that makes it expensive is the government and all the other sources of free money. Not everyone should or needs to go to college. Take the free money out of the equation, and I suspect the price would drop.

    Liberal Run Cities: Again, I'm not the expert. But I would surmise that's it's almost entirely driven by good old fashioned supply and demand dynamics. SF, Seattle, Chicago, DC, Boston, Austin, LA, etc. are money towns. Commerce, capital formation, demand for expensive talent, etc. ... these things happen in those cities to a greater extent than they do elsewhere. I just got back from Indianapolis. Not as much going on there as there is here in Seattle, for example. I'm sure the liberal city councils and the extra taxes and fees and bullshit contribute to the expense, but I'm guessing it's a drop in the bucket relative to the main driver.
    This, you can line up the surge in educational costs with the surge in federal money and student loans. Most of it has gone to administration. That's what happens when the government gets in business.

    I actually think the driver for city pricing is just good old fashioned NIMBY-ism which spans both left and right. Cities where the supply of housing can't get built to accommodate the increase in demand have increasing prices. Everyone is for affordable housing when they are renting and against development once they own property.
    Absolutely. Another thing that gets overlooked is the cultural shift to the city. Young, up and coming millenials and Gen Z'ers are choosing to spend their money to live in cities. I'm generalizing heavily, but wealthy boomers in contrast flocked to the suburbs, leaving the cities to stay relatively ungentrified and affordable. Seattle itself is a microcosm of this. If Microsoft were starting today, they wouldn't put their HQ in a sleepy Seattle suburb, they'd pull an Amazon and build their own urban neighborhood.
    Agree hard in DC. In my day, ILTCIMD, when you hit it big and got your first good paying job in your late 20's to early 30's, you headed for a nice 3K square foot house in the burbs so your new wife could schlep the kids (in a few years when they got old enough) to idyllic soccer fields in whatever SUV was cool and you could maintain your lawn and chat with neighbors over a beer with nary the sound of a car horn or ambulance for miles and miles in any direction. This was only 20 years ago.

    Now, all the mid 20's to early 30's people I work with who are earning good coin are putting huge down payments on brick front townhouses right in the thick of the city in Alexandria, Arlington, Dupont Circle and the better areas of DC. The thought of living in the suburbs is like dying to them. They are sending their kids to overcrowded schools, and listening to traffic and ambulances all day and night with nary a yard to manicure in sight. This, to them, is nirvana. They live two blocks from a Crossfit Gym, one block from a Starbucks, and right next door to a Trader Joe's. Them and 15,000 other people in a 6 block radius. Pure millennial bliss.

    Fucking weird how much this shit has changed.
    Is it ok that I smiled and figuratively patted myself on the back for immediately interpreting ILTCIMD? Because I fucking did!!! Yeah bitches!!!! First take and I got it.

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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    HHusky said:

    CC is a pathetic troll. He can't articulate a series of first intellectual principles. He votes for free sh*t, lies and raw power over the rule of law. He is free to post is first principles. He won't. Leftards lie and love to be lied to

    Gasbag gotta gasbag.
    Obviously you bought into the narrative put forth by the Russian bots.
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,066
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    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    SFGbob said:

    The dems spent 20 yrs radicalizing a generation by indoctrination in the public school system. That generation is now going to eat them.

    I think one of the things pushing young folks to the left has been the cost of college and the debt many of these kids are incurring from their school expenses.

    But you have to ask, who is running the schools? Who is making college so expensive? What is making housing so expensive in liberal run cities and states? It's not conservatives or conservative policies.
    College Expense: I don't know for certain, but I've asked the same thing. I'm aware of a few things that must be drivers. For instance, most faculty get some kind of pension and they tend to have good healthcare coverage. Pensions, as even profitable corporations have found, are expensive af - a promise most wished they'd never made (see the many 8-K filings out there reporting pension transfer transactions numbering in the billions of $). Healthcare is everybody's million $ question. Professors don't make much money relative to their options, and so it seems these benefits have settled in as strongly market driven. It is a long and hard road to get a PhD, and not everyone has what it takes. These people tend to be expensive labor. The other thing that makes it expensive is the government and all the other sources of free money. Not everyone should or needs to go to college. Take the free money out of the equation, and I suspect the price would drop.

    Liberal Run Cities: Again, I'm not the expert. But I would surmise that's it's almost entirely driven by good old fashioned supply and demand dynamics. SF, Seattle, Chicago, DC, Boston, Austin, LA, etc. are money towns. Commerce, capital formation, demand for expensive talent, etc. ... these things happen in those cities to a greater extent than they do elsewhere. I just got back from Indianapolis. Not as much going on there as there is here in Seattle, for example. I'm sure the liberal city councils and the extra taxes and fees and bullshit contribute to the expense, but I'm guessing it's a drop in the bucket relative to the main driver.
    This, you can line up the surge in educational costs with the surge in federal money and student loans. Most of it has gone to administration. That's what happens when the government gets in business.

    I actually think the driver for city pricing is just good old fashioned NIMBY-ism which spans both left and right. Cities where the supply of housing can't get built to accommodate the increase in demand have increasing prices. Everyone is for affordable housing when they are renting and against development once they own property.
    Absolutely. Another thing that gets overlooked is the cultural shift to the city. Young, up and coming millenials and Gen Z'ers are choosing to spend their money to live in cities. I'm generalizing heavily, but wealthy boomers in contrast flocked to the suburbs, leaving the cities to stay relatively ungentrified and affordable. Seattle itself is a microcosm of this. If Microsoft were starting today, they wouldn't put their HQ in a sleepy Seattle suburb, they'd pull an Amazon and build their own urban neighborhood.
    Agree hard in DC. In my day, ILTCIMD, when you hit it big and got your first good paying job in your late 20's to early 30's, you headed for a nice 3K square foot house in the burbs so your new wife could schlep the kids (in a few years when they got old enough) to idyllic soccer fields in whatever SUV was cool and you could maintain your lawn and chat with neighbors over a beer with nary the sound of a car horn or ambulance for miles and miles in any direction. This was only 20 years ago.

    Now, all the mid 20's to early 30's people I work with who are earning good coin are putting huge down payments on brick front townhouses right in the thick of the city in Alexandria, Arlington, Dupont Circle and the better areas of DC. The thought of living in the suburbs is like dying to them. They are sending their kids to overcrowded schools, and listening to traffic and ambulances all day and night with nary a yard to manicure in sight. This, to them, is nirvana. They live two blocks from a Crossfit Gym, one block from a Starbucks, and right next door to a Trader Joe's. Them and 15,000 other people in a 6 block radius. Pure millennial bliss.

    Fucking weird how much this shit has changed.
    Weird how black flight can make whyte peeple comfortable in cities again.

    No but seriously, urban crime being way fucking down has yugely helped gentrification occur.
    You are probably right. I live out near horse farms. As far from all that shit in the city as possible. It is dumbfounding to me people would want to raise kids in the city. "Look little Katie, that homeless man is pissing on the street right in front of us. That's called a penis Katie. Isn't taking in all this plight great Katie?"

    At the same time, they think I am a lunatic for wanting to hear nothing outside. Nothing at all but birds and the occasional rabbit hopping across the back 40. Before I shoot it.
    Moved the trailer out of the park and started squatting on some land? Good for you. You should take back your land from the white man one squatting acre at a tim.
    You need wide open country and someone else's land to start up a good meth lab.
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    The dems spent 20 yrs radicalizing a generation by indoctrination in the public school system. That generation is now going to eat them.

    I think one of the things pushing young folks to the left has been the cost of college and the debt many of these kids are incurring from their school expenses.

    But you have to ask, who is running the schools? Who is making college so expensive? What is making housing so expensive in liberal run cities and states? It's not conservatives or conservative policies.
    College Expense: I don't know for certain, but I've asked the same thing. I'm aware of a few things that must be drivers. For instance, most faculty get some kind of pension and they tend to have good healthcare coverage. Pensions, as even profitable corporations have found, are expensive af - a promise most wished they'd never made (see the many 8-K filings out there reporting pension transfer transactions numbering in the billions of $). Healthcare is everybody's million $ question. Professors don't make much money relative to their options, and so it seems these benefits have settled in as strongly market driven. It is a long and hard road to get a PhD, and not everyone has what it takes. These people tend to be expensive labor. The other thing that makes it expensive is the government and all the other sources of free money. Not everyone should or needs to go to college. Take the free money out of the equation, and I suspect the price would drop.

    Liberal Run Cities: Again, I'm not the expert. But I would surmise that's it's almost entirely driven by good old fashioned supply and demand dynamics. SF, Seattle, Chicago, DC, Boston, Austin, LA, etc. are money towns. Commerce, capital formation, demand for expensive talent, etc. ... these things happen in those cities to a greater extent than they do elsewhere. I just got back from Indianapolis. Not as much going on there as there is here in Seattle, for example. I'm sure the liberal city councils and the extra taxes and fees and bullshit contribute to the expense, but I'm guessing it's a drop in the bucket relative to the main driver.
    This, you can line up the surge in educational costs with the surge in federal money and student loans. Most of it has gone to administration. That's what happens when the government gets in business.

    I actually think the driver for city pricing is just good old fashioned NIMBY-ism which spans both left and right. Cities where the supply of housing can't get built to accommodate the increase in demand have increasing prices. Everyone is for affordable housing when they are renting and against development once they own property.
    Absolutely. Another thing that gets overlooked is the cultural shift to the city. Young, up and coming millenials and Gen Z'ers are choosing to spend their money to live in cities. I'm generalizing heavily, but wealthy boomers in contrast flocked to the suburbs, leaving the cities to stay relatively ungentrified and affordable. Seattle itself is a microcosm of this. If Microsoft were starting today, they wouldn't put their HQ in a sleepy Seattle suburb, they'd pull an Amazon and build their own urban neighborhood.
    Agree hard in DC. In my day, ILTCIMD, when you hit it big and got your first good paying job in your late 20's to early 30's, you headed for a nice 3K square foot house in the burbs so your new wife could schlep the kids (in a few years when they got old enough) to idyllic soccer fields in whatever SUV was cool and you could maintain your lawn and chat with neighbors over a beer with nary the sound of a car horn or ambulance for miles and miles in any direction. This was only 20 years ago.

    Now, all the mid 20's to early 30's people I work with who are earning good coin are putting huge down payments on brick front townhouses right in the thick of the city in Alexandria, Arlington, Dupont Circle and the better areas of DC. The thought of living in the suburbs is like dying to them. They are sending their kids to overcrowded schools, and listening to traffic and ambulances all day and night with nary a yard to manicure in sight. This, to them, is nirvana. They live two blocks from a Crossfit Gym, one block from a Starbucks, and right next door to a Trader Joe's. Them and 15,000 other people in a 6 block radius. Pure millennial bliss.

    Fucking weird how much this shit has changed.
    Weird how black flight can make whyte peeple comfortable in cities again.

    No but seriously, urban crime being way fucking down has yugely helped gentrification occur.
    You are probably right. I live out near horse farms. As far from all that shit in the city as possible. It is dumbfounding to me people would want to raise kids in the city. "Look little Katie, that homeless man is pissing on the street right in front of us. That's called a penis Katie. Isn't taking in all this plight great Katie?"

    At the same time, they think I am a lunatic for wanting to hear nothing outside. Nothing at all but birds and the occasional rabbit hopping across the back 40. Before I shoot it.
    Moved the trailer out of the park and started squatting on some land? Good for you. You should take back your land from the white man one squatting acre at a tim.
    You need wide open country and someone else's land to start up a good meth lab.
    I actually laffed.
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