I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Yeah, all the evidence you provided in support of your feelings was very impressive.
I have a BS in history and Poli Sci. No job I've ever held since graduating from college has been related to either major. You're the dumbest thing I've ever seen Owl outside of Hondo.
And still, I assume you would assign value to that BS, and that it indirectly helps you do your job better. Critical thinking, writing, comprehension, context, etc. The value of a liberal arts education.
History/Poli Sci could be applied to almost everything where more than one person is involved.
That's a good Kunt, move those goal posts.
I would guess about 10% of those with BS degrees are actually working in a field that is related to their major.
You claimed that statement was the dumbest thing you've ever read. I've never worked in a job that was related to my major. You talked out your ass and now you're dancing like a Kunt.
In your mind Poli Sci is working for President Trump and sucking his cock all day. It has far broader applications. Simple example, statistics.
There's the white flag. Just admit you were talking out your ass Owl. Take the L Kunt.
So you're sticking with the claim 10% of college grads work in their field of study?
I told your weak ass to leave. You can't even reply to the correct poster and you're reading comprehension is that of a rhesis monkey.
I said that about 10% of BS grads actually work in a field related to their degree. Those with MS, MBA's, PhD's are naturally higher.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Every day you post here, you unwittingly provide ample evidence of the benefits of a broad and well-rounded education.
Tell me: how can you "see that"? What does that mean? Are you saying that I'm a communist? Or were you trying to join in and be clever?
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Every day you post here, you unwittingly provide ample evidence of the benefits of a broad and well-rounded education.
Tell me: how can you "see that"? What does that mean? Are you saying that I'm a communist? Or were you trying to join in and be clever?
You have some odd leanings. How does well rounded include Marxism other than cursory study of this scourge of humanity and how not to repeat it? It takes interest to study it extensively that is unhealthy and unnatural.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Odd? How so? Please be specific.
Well rounded means you study things. People study the tendencies of sociopaths. Should they stop doing that? Does that make them sympathetic to sociopaths? Do the good people in Quantico know that they're breeding serial killers by studying them too much?
How about cancer? Does research of cancer make the researcher a proponent of cancer-causing agents?
Did you think this line of bull shit through at all?
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you don't understand this. I'm also guessing you've always struggled with people who don't look, act, think and feel exactly as you do.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.
I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."
Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.
The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Odd? How so? Please be specific.
Well rounded means you study things. People study the tendencies of sociopaths. Should they stop doing that? Does that make them sympathetic to sociopaths? Do the good people in Quantico know that they're breeding serial killers by studying them too much?
How about cancer? Does research of cancer make the researcher a proponent of cancer-causing agents?
Did you think this line of bull shit through at all?
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you don't understand this. I'm also guessing you've always struggled with people who don't look, act, think and feel exactly as you do.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Odd? How so? Please be specific.
Well rounded means you study things. People study the tendencies of sociopaths. Should they stop doing that? Does that make them sympathetic to sociopaths? Do the good people in Quantico know that they're breeding serial killers by studying them too much?
How about cancer? Does research of cancer make the researcher a proponent of cancer-causing agents?
Did you think this line of bull shit through at all?
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you don't understand this. I'm also guessing you've always struggled with people who don't look, act, think and feel exactly as you do.
I get along fine with everyone. Well almost everyone. Evil people don't do well around me.
If Marx is your thing and you are seriously enamored that's OK if your goal is to exterminate. That's why we study cancer, serial killers etc. Prevention and extermination not promote and spread.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Odd? How so? Please be specific.
Well rounded means you study things. People study the tendencies of sociopaths. Should they stop doing that? Does that make them sympathetic to sociopaths? Do the good people in Quantico know that they're breeding serial killers by studying them too much?
How about cancer? Does research of cancer make the researcher a proponent of cancer-causing agents?
Did you think this line of bull shit through at all?
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you don't understand this. I'm also guessing you've always struggled with people who don't look, act, think and feel exactly as you do.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Odd? How so? Please be specific.
Well rounded means you study things. People study the tendencies of sociopaths. Should they stop doing that? Does that make them sympathetic to sociopaths? Do the good people in Quantico know that they're breeding serial killers by studying them too much?
How about cancer? Does research of cancer make the researcher a proponent of cancer-causing agents?
Did you think this line of bull shit through at all?
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you don't understand this. I'm also guessing you've always struggled with people who don't look, act, think and feel exactly as you do.
I get along fine with everyone. Well almost everyone. Evil people don't do well around me.
If Marx is your thing and you are seriously enamored that's OK if your goal is to exterminate. That's why we study cancer, serial killers etc. Prevention and extermination not promote and spread.
Did you think it through?
I didn't say it was my thing. You said it was my thing. Just like a civil liberty-hating cop: plant fake evidence if need be to hit your numbers. I take it you struggle with those who studied history and understand the persecution of the Christians by the Romans and the rise of the Third Reich. These people have "odd" leanings in your view, yes?
The only people I've ever known who were afraid of books were stupid. My bias remains confirmed.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.
I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."
Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.
The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.
I would actually say that the UW department was/is still a bastion of openess(at least upon my graduation) while still being very liberal in its bias. It was my experience that as everyone got to the upperclass level of classes everyone tended to realize that really smart and well educated people could come to very different conclusions despite being given the same experiences. Civil disagreement. The assholes who didn't we all knew and would roll our eyes at. 100% that I got a great education on "how" to think and not "what". I remember my prof of international justice saying he valued the fact that I brought a very different perspective from the majority far left of the class.
No one majored in Philo because it was an "easy" liberal arts major. Those kids quickly transferred to other majors after having to spend more than 10 minutes on Kant or Spinoza.
It was equally funny watching the finance majors struggle to do math in upper level Econ classes btw.
Sadly, I only got a few quarters in Savory as it was being renovated during my time there. Fond memories of discussing the philosophy of science in the quad during cherry blossom season though. Got stuck in Cold War era bunker Condon off of campus for most of my 300/400 level classes in both Econ and Philo(they are both in savory normally). Sucked major balls. I literally had a classroom with 30 kids in about a 40x20ft room with 7ft tall ceilings and flickering lightbulbs and no windows. I used to walk to campus after class just to feel better even if I had nothing to do there. The reno on Savory was really well done though and did impress. Wish I could have been a few years earlier/later in that regard.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.
I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."
Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.
The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.
I would actually say that the UW department was/is still a bastion of openess(at least upon my graduation) while still being very liberal in its bias. It was my experience that as everyone got to the upperclass level of classes everyone tended to realize that really smart and well educated people could come to very different conclusions despite being given the same experiences. Civil disagreement. The assholes who didn't we all knew and would roll our eyes at. 100% that I got a great education on "how" to think and not "what". I remember my prof of international justice saying he valued the fact that I brought a very different perspective from the majority far left of the class.
No one majored in Philo because it was an "easy" liberal arts major. Those kids quickly transferred to other majors after having to spend more than 10 minutes on Kant or Spinoza.
It was equally funny watching the finance majors struggle to do math in upper level Econ classes btw.
Sadly, I only got a few quarters in Savory as it was being renovated during my time there. Fond memories of discussing the philosophy of science in the quad during cherry blossom season though. Got stuck in Cold War era bunker Condon off of campus for most of my 300/400 level classes in both Econ and Philo(they are both in savory normally). Sucked major balls. I literally had a classroom with 30 kids in about a 40x20ft room with 7ft tall ceilings and flickering lightbulbs and no windows. I used to walk to campus after class just to feel better even if I had nothing to do there. The reno on Savory was really well done though and did impress. Wish I could have been a few years earlier/later in that regard.
This is true. I was one of those "Finance" majors (doubled in Philo to get a better education). I still say to this day that b-school at the undergrad level is a straight-up waste of tim unless you are dying to become an accountant.
People in the McKenzie/Balmer environs would shit if they got bumped out of a B-Econ class because the biz school advisors would just tell you to go take the equivalent in the Econ department to fulfill the requirement, which nobody wanted any part of. Foster (it didn't have a name when I was there) is a classic case of lemming dynamics. It was so popular that you had to apply after taking the two years of pre-reqs, and people did get bumped. If you had (in my day) under a 3.4 your chances were slim, and a 3.4 at the U wasn't some easy-to-hit number. I've always said that anybody with over a 3.5 at UW has some brains because it was not a school that gave away grades easily. So the appearance of exclusivity made people crazy to get in. When all they had to do was walk over to Savory and sign up in the Econ department and they'd gladly let you in. But it was much harder to get through than the biz school. I'm pretty clear on that.
Condon ... that was the law school when I attended. We used to say that it would make for a perfect university police building, and now, that's exactly what it is. I lamented that the new school was built after my day. It's a great building. The issue was that, for years and years, there was this constituency on upper campus about "open space", and everyone was freaked out about using any of that field next to the Burke. This was like a 20-year long raging debate that was finally settled after I was gone. The whole point from the law school's perspective was that the law school should be on the main campus for inter-disciplinary learning purposes. I think that was the right argument and I'm glad they got to go back to upper campus.
I give all you guys some shit with my football allegiances, which i admit are a little weird, but I do love the university itself. From a value proposition, it was the best decision I ever made.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.
I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."
Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.
The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.
I would actually say that the UW department was/is still a bastion of openess(at least upon my graduation) while still being very liberal in its bias. It was my experience that as everyone got to the upperclass level of classes everyone tended to realize that really smart and well educated people could come to very different conclusions despite being given the same experiences. Civil disagreement. The assholes who didn't we all knew and would roll our eyes at. 100% that I got a great education on "how" to think and not "what". I remember my prof of international justice saying he valued the fact that I brought a very different perspective from the majority far left of the class.
No one majored in Philo because it was an "easy" liberal arts major. Those kids quickly transferred to other majors after having to spend more than 10 minutes on Kant or Spinoza.
It was equally funny watching the finance majors struggle to do math in upper level Econ classes btw.
Sadly, I only got a few quarters in Savory as it was being renovated during my time there. Fond memories of discussing the philosophy of science in the quad during cherry blossom season though. Got stuck in Cold War era bunker Condon off of campus for most of my 300/400 level classes in both Econ and Philo(they are both in savory normally). Sucked major balls. I literally had a classroom with 30 kids in about a 40x20ft room with 7ft tall ceilings and flickering lightbulbs and no windows. I used to walk to campus after class just to feel better even if I had nothing to do there. The reno on Savory was really well done though and did impress. Wish I could have been a few years earlier/later in that regard.
This is true. I was one of those "Finance" majors (doubled in Philo to get a better education). I still say to this day that b-school at the undergrad level is a straight-up waste of tim unless you are dying to become an accountant.
People in the McKenzie/Balmer environs would shit if they got bumped out of a B-Econ class because the biz school advisors would just tell you to go take the equivalent in the Econ department to fulfill the requirement, which nobody wanted any part of. Foster (it didn't have a name when I was there) is a classic case of lemming dynamics. It was so popular that you had to apply after taking the two years of pre-reqs, and people did get bumped. If you had (in my day) under a 3.4 your chances were slim, and a 3.4 at the U wasn't some easy-to-hit number. I've always said that anybody with over a 3.5 at UW has some brains because it was not a school that gave away grades easily. So the appearance of exclusivity made people crazy to get in. When all they had to do was walk over to Savory and sign up in the Econ department and they'd gladly let you in. But it was much harder to get through than the biz school. I'm pretty clear on that.
Condon ... that was the law school when I attended. We used to say that it would make for a perfect university police building, and now, that's exactly what it is. I lamented that the new school was built after my day. It's a great building. The issue was that, for years and years, there was this constituency on upper campus about "open space", and everyone was freaked out about using any of that field next to the Burke. This was like a 20-year long raging debate that was finally settled after I was gone. The whole point from the law school's perspective was that the law school should be on the main campus for inter-disciplinary learning purposes. I think that was the right argument and I'm glad they got to go back to upper campus.
I give all you guys some shit with my football allegiances, which i admit are a little weird, but I do love the university itself. From a value proposition, it was the best decision I ever made.
Mostly agree unless your program has in-roads someplace(which has little to do with the actual b-schools curriculum).
I was the last of the "walk-ins" for Econ. It switched to a competitive major while I was there. All kinds of hassle at the time as the class supply hadn't caught up with the demand for all of the BS requirements. Had I not been concurrently pursuing a Philo BA I would have been royally screwed as I didn't get into the classes I needed to graduate with a BS that were only offered once per year. Filled out my BA requirements while dutifully waiting my turn in line for Econometrics classes. Literally walked in and applied for graduation and a switch to the Econ BS degree at the same tim in spring. It was a bizarre situation but kind of satisfying.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.
I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."
Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.
The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.
I would actually say that the UW department was/is still a bastion of openess(at least upon my graduation) while still being very liberal in its bias. It was my experience that as everyone got to the upperclass level of classes everyone tended to realize that really smart and well educated people could come to very different conclusions despite being given the same experiences. Civil disagreement. The assholes who didn't we all knew and would roll our eyes at. 100% that I got a great education on "how" to think and not "what". I remember my prof of international justice saying he valued the fact that I brought a very different perspective from the majority far left of the class.
No one majored in Philo because it was an "easy" liberal arts major. Those kids quickly transferred to other majors after having to spend more than 10 minutes on Kant or Spinoza.
It was equally funny watching the finance majors struggle to do math in upper level Econ classes btw.
Sadly, I only got a few quarters in Savory as it was being renovated during my time there. Fond memories of discussing the philosophy of science in the quad during cherry blossom season though. Got stuck in Cold War era bunker Condon off of campus for most of my 300/400 level classes in both Econ and Philo(they are both in savory normally). Sucked major balls. I literally had a classroom with 30 kids in about a 40x20ft room with 7ft tall ceilings and flickering lightbulbs and no windows. I used to walk to campus after class just to feel better even if I had nothing to do there. The reno on Savory was really well done though and did impress. Wish I could have been a few years earlier/later in that regard.
This is true. I was one of those "Finance" majors (doubled in Philo to get a better education). I still say to this day that b-school at the undergrad level is a straight-up waste of tim unless you are dying to become an accountant.
People in the McKenzie/Balmer environs would shit if they got bumped out of a B-Econ class because the biz school advisors would just tell you to go take the equivalent in the Econ department to fulfill the requirement, which nobody wanted any part of. Foster (it didn't have a name when I was there) is a classic case of lemming dynamics. It was so popular that you had to apply after taking the two years of pre-reqs, and people did get bumped. If you had (in my day) under a 3.4 your chances were slim, and a 3.4 at the U wasn't some easy-to-hit number. I've always said that anybody with over a 3.5 at UW has some brains because it was not a school that gave away grades easily. So the appearance of exclusivity made people crazy to get in. When all they had to do was walk over to Savory and sign up in the Econ department and they'd gladly let you in. But it was much harder to get through than the biz school. I'm pretty clear on that.
Condon ... that was the law school when I attended. We used to say that it would make for a perfect university police building, and now, that's exactly what it is. I lamented that the new school was built after my day. It's a great building. The issue was that, for years and years, there was this constituency on upper campus about "open space", and everyone was freaked out about using any of that field next to the Burke. This was like a 20-year long raging debate that was finally settled after I was gone. The whole point from the law school's perspective was that the law school should be on the main campus for inter-disciplinary learning purposes. I think that was the right argument and I'm glad they got to go back to upper campus.
I give all you guys some shit with my football allegiances, which i admit are a little weird, but I do love the university itself. From a value proposition, it was the best decision I ever made.
Condon was built like they designed it to survive a blast by the SDS. Which might be the case.
It was nicknamed "Attica West" according to the guy who led the 1L orientation when I entered in '83.
Balmer was a horrible facility. I got a Bachelors and a Masters there.
I agree the UW was a terrific value. I got a history degree too, because why not? Tuition was $229 a quarter and there was a recession.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Odd? How so? Please be specific.
Well rounded means you study things. People study the tendencies of sociopaths. Should they stop doing that? Does that make them sympathetic to sociopaths? Do the good people in Quantico know that they're breeding serial killers by studying them too much?
How about cancer? Does research of cancer make the researcher a proponent of cancer-causing agents?
Did you think this line of bull shit through at all?
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you don't understand this. I'm also guessing you've always struggled with people who don't look, act, think and feel exactly as you do.
I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.
Odd? How so? Please be specific.
Well rounded means you study things. People study the tendencies of sociopaths. Should they stop doing that? Does that make them sympathetic to sociopaths? Do the good people in Quantico know that they're breeding serial killers by studying them too much?
How about cancer? Does research of cancer make the researcher a proponent of cancer-causing agents?
Did you think this line of bull shit through at all?
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you don't understand this. I'm also guessing you've always struggled with people who don't look, act, think and feel exactly as you do.
I get along fine with everyone. Well almost everyone. Evil people don't do well around me.
If Marx is your thing and you are seriously enamored that's OK if your goal is to exterminate. That's why we study cancer, serial killers etc. Prevention and extermination not promote and spread.
Did you think it through?
I didn't say it was my thing. You said it was my thing. Just like a civil liberty-hating cop: plant fake evidence if need be to hit your numbers. I take it you struggle with those who studied history and understand the persecution of the Christians by the Romans and the rise of the Third Reich. These people have "odd" leanings in your view, yes?
The only people I've ever known who were afraid of books were stupid. My bias remains confirmed.
You said you studied it quite a bit. That makes it a thing. One studies what one is interested in. Did they have a "Fun and wonderful facts of Marxism elective major or minor?
Who's afraid of books? See their is your liberal bullshit again. Plant evidence? What a crock of shit. People get arrested because they commit crimes and get caught. It ain't like the show CSI you watch on TV. You probably think cops sit around saying "lets shoot a black guy tonight" at briefing too.
So now you're whining like a little bitch when you get a dose of your own medicine? Just shut the fuck up while you've only proven to be 99% dip shit.
WTFC what I studied? Now you're the thought police Goebbels? Burn some books maybe? People study all kinds of shit that they don't plan to go out and build a life upon dumb dumb. I also studied the living shit out of Plato, and I yet I don't see myself basing most of my day-to-day actions taking into account the theory of forms. Econ majors, who go on to, you know, business careers, also study Marx. Some historians spend a lifetime studying Nazi Fascism, and yet are not trying to take over Western Europe in their private time. In fact, there are several other posters on this board who have studied Marx in quite some depth, including some who share your political leanings.
Wtf is so off with your brain that you can't get this? I said, in fairly plain English, that I'm not a Marxist. Is reading hard for you?
Spend more time with your goose-stepping buddies at the donut shop Cletus. They're more your speed.
So now you're whining like a little bitch when you get a dose of your own medicine? Just shut the fuck up while you've only proven to be 99% dip shit.
WTFC what I studied? Now you're the thought police Goebbels? Burn some books maybe? People study all kinds of shit that they don't plan to go out and build a life upon dumb dumb. I also studied the living shit out of Plato, and I yet I don't see myself basing most of my day-to-day actions taking into account the theory of forms. Econ majors, who go on to, you know, business careers, also study Marx. Some historians spend a lifetime studying Nazi Fascism, and yet are not trying to take over Western Europe in their private time. In fact, there are several other posters on this board who have studied Marx in quite some depth, including some who share your political leanings.
Wtf is so off with your brain that you can't get this? I said, in fairly plain English, that I'm not a Marxist. Is reading hard for you?
Spend more time with your goose-stepping buddies at the donut shop Cletus. They're more your speed.
Have studied lots, and lots, of Marx between an Econ and Philo degree. Valid criticisms of the world he lived in(which was only marginally free market) and lots of laughable solutions.
No one has been able to make the labor theory of value make sense no matter how many logical hoops you jump.
So now you're whining like a little bitch when you get a dose of your own medicine? Just shut the fuck up while you've only proven to be 99% dip shit.
WTFC what I studied? Now you're the thought police Goebbels? Burn some books maybe? People study all kinds of shit that they don't plan to go out and build a life upon dumb dumb. I also studied the living shit out of Plato, and I yet I don't see myself basing most of my day-to-day actions taking into account the theory of forms. Econ majors, who go on to, you know, business careers, also study Marx. Some historians spend a lifetime studying Nazi Fascism, and yet are not trying to take over Western Europe in their private time. In fact, there are several other posters on this board who have studied Marx in quite some depth, including some who share your political leanings.
Wtf is so off with your brain that you can't get this? I said, in fairly plain English, that I'm not a Marxist. Is reading hard for you?
Spend more time with your goose-stepping buddies at the donut shop Cletus. They're more your speed.
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I draw a line between that and stupid. I also know plenty of stupid people who (think they) believe in our system.
I said that about 10% of BS grads actually work in a field related to their degree.
Those with MS, MBA's, PhD's are naturally higher.
Teaching the value of free thought matters now more than ever. Unfortunately, most American public schools take the opposite approach
https://thefederalist.com/2018/10/26/public-schools-indoctrinate-kids-without-almost-anyone-noticing/
Tell me: how can you "see that"? What does that mean? Are you saying that I'm a communist? Or were you trying to join in and be clever?
I'm going with power mad sociopath for AOC
Well rounded means you study things. People study the tendencies of sociopaths. Should they stop doing that? Does that make them sympathetic to sociopaths? Do the good people in Quantico know that they're breeding serial killers by studying them too much?
How about cancer? Does research of cancer make the researcher a proponent of cancer-causing agents?
Did you think this line of bull shit through at all?
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you don't understand this. I'm also guessing you've always struggled with people who don't look, act, think and feel exactly as you do.
Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.
The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.
If Marx is your thing and you are seriously enamored that's OK if your goal is to exterminate. That's why we study cancer, serial killers etc. Prevention and extermination not promote and spread.
Did you think it through?
The only people I've ever known who were afraid of books were stupid. My bias remains confirmed.
No one majored in Philo because it was an "easy" liberal arts major. Those kids quickly transferred to other majors after having to spend more than 10 minutes on Kant or Spinoza.
It was equally funny watching the finance majors struggle to do math in upper level Econ classes btw.
Sadly, I only got a few quarters in Savory as it was being renovated during my time there. Fond memories of discussing the philosophy of science in the quad during cherry blossom season though. Got stuck in Cold War era bunker Condon off of campus for most of my 300/400 level classes in both Econ and Philo(they are both in savory normally). Sucked major balls. I literally had a classroom with 30 kids in about a 40x20ft room with 7ft tall ceilings and flickering lightbulbs and no windows. I used to walk to campus after class just to feel better even if I had nothing to do there. The reno on Savory was really well done though and did impress. Wish I could have been a few years earlier/later in that regard.
People in the McKenzie/Balmer environs would shit if they got bumped out of a B-Econ class because the biz school advisors would just tell you to go take the equivalent in the Econ department to fulfill the requirement, which nobody wanted any part of. Foster (it didn't have a name when I was there) is a classic case of lemming dynamics. It was so popular that you had to apply after taking the two years of pre-reqs, and people did get bumped. If you had (in my day) under a 3.4 your chances were slim, and a 3.4 at the U wasn't some easy-to-hit number. I've always said that anybody with over a 3.5 at UW has some brains because it was not a school that gave away grades easily. So the appearance of exclusivity made people crazy to get in. When all they had to do was walk over to Savory and sign up in the Econ department and they'd gladly let you in. But it was much harder to get through than the biz school. I'm pretty clear on that.
Condon ... that was the law school when I attended. We used to say that it would make for a perfect university police building, and now, that's exactly what it is. I lamented that the new school was built after my day. It's a great building. The issue was that, for years and years, there was this constituency on upper campus about "open space", and everyone was freaked out about using any of that field next to the Burke. This was like a 20-year long raging debate that was finally settled after I was gone. The whole point from the law school's perspective was that the law school should be on the main campus for inter-disciplinary learning purposes. I think that was the right argument and I'm glad they got to go back to upper campus.
I give all you guys some shit with my football allegiances, which i admit are a little weird, but I do love the university itself. From a value proposition, it was the best decision I ever made.
I was the last of the "walk-ins" for Econ. It switched to a competitive major while I was there. All kinds of hassle at the time as the class supply hadn't caught up with the demand for all of the BS requirements. Had I not been concurrently pursuing a Philo BA I would have been royally screwed as I didn't get into the classes I needed to graduate with a BS that were only offered once per year. Filled out my BA requirements while dutifully waiting my turn in line for Econometrics classes. Literally walked in and applied for graduation and a switch to the Econ BS degree at the same tim in spring. It was a bizarre situation but kind of satisfying.
It was nicknamed "Attica West" according to the guy who led the 1L orientation when I entered in '83.
Balmer was a horrible facility. I got a Bachelors and a Masters there.
I agree the UW was a terrific value. I got a history degree too, because why not? Tuition was $229 a quarter and there was a recession.
Who's afraid of books? See their is your liberal bullshit again. Plant evidence? What a crock of shit. People get arrested because they commit crimes and get caught. It ain't like the show CSI you watch on TV. You probably think cops sit around saying "lets shoot a black guy tonight" at briefing too.
WTFC what I studied? Now you're the thought police Goebbels? Burn some books maybe? People study all kinds of shit that they don't plan to go out and build a life upon dumb dumb. I also studied the living shit out of Plato, and I yet I don't see myself basing most of my day-to-day actions taking into account the theory of forms. Econ majors, who go on to, you know, business careers, also study Marx. Some historians spend a lifetime studying Nazi Fascism, and yet are not trying to take over Western Europe in their private time. In fact, there are several other posters on this board who have studied Marx in quite some depth, including some who share your political leanings.
Wtf is so off with your brain that you can't get this? I said, in fairly plain English, that I'm not a Marxist. Is reading hard for you?
Spend more time with your goose-stepping buddies at the donut shop Cletus. They're more your speed.
No one has been able to make the labor theory of value make sense no matter how many logical hoops you jump.
Who's whining? I simply pointed out your beliefs.
I've been called a lot worse.