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A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.creepycoug said:
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.WestlinnDuck said:I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax. -
Dreamers dream. They dream that it could work if only "but, but, but".RaceBannon said:You have to be stupid or a power mad sociopath to embrace socialism after all the evidence of death and destruction
Iron Law
I draw a line between that and stupid. I also know plenty of stupid people who (think they) believe in our system. -
I told your weak ass to leave. You can't even reply to the correct poster and you're reading comprehension is that of a rhesis monkey.HustlinOwl said:
So you're sticking with the claim 10% of college grads work in their field of study?SFGbob said:
There's the white flag. Just admit you were talking out your ass Owl. Take the L Kunt.HustlinOwl said:
In your mind Poli Sci is working for President Trump and sucking his cock all day. It has far broader applications. Simple example, statistics.SFGbob said:
That's a good Kunt, move those goal posts.HustlinOwl said:
History/Poli Sci could be applied to almost everything where more than one person is involved.creepycoug said:
And still, I assume you would assign value to that BS, and that it indirectly helps you do your job better. Critical thinking, writing, comprehension, context, etc. The value of a liberal arts education.SFGbob said:Yeah, all the evidence you provided in support of your feelings was very impressive.
I have a BS in history and Poli Sci. No job I've ever held since graduating from college has been related to either major. You're the dumbest thing I've ever seen Owl outside of Hondo.
I would guess about 10% of those with BS degrees are actually working in a field that is related to their major.
You claimed that statement was the dumbest thing you've ever read. I've never worked in a job that was related to my major. You talked out your ass and now you're dancing like a Kunt.
I said that about 10% of BS grads actually work in a field related to their degree.
Those with MS, MBA's, PhD's are naturally higher.
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How Public Schools Indoctrinate Kids Without Almost Anyone Noticing
Teaching the value of free thought matters now more than ever. Unfortunately, most American public schools take the opposite approach
https://thefederalist.com/2018/10/26/public-schools-indoctrinate-kids-without-almost-anyone-noticing/ -
Every day you post here, you unwittingly provide ample evidence of the benefits of a broad and well-rounded education.Sledog said:
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.creepycoug said:
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.WestlinnDuck said:I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Tell me: how can you "see that"? What does that mean? Are you saying that I'm a communist? Or were you trying to join in and be clever? -
Its well past time for her to wake the fuck upcreepycoug said:
Dreamers dream. They dream that it could work if only "but, but, but".RaceBannon said:You have to be stupid or a power mad sociopath to embrace socialism after all the evidence of death and destruction
Iron Law
I draw a line between that and stupid. I also know plenty of stupid people who (think they) believe in our system.
I'm going with power mad sociopath for AOC -
You have some odd leanings. How does well rounded include Marxism other than cursory study of this scourge of humanity and how not to repeat it? It takes interest to study it extensively that is unhealthy and unnatural.creepycoug said:
Every day you post here, you unwittingly provide ample evidence of the benefits of a broad and well-rounded education.Sledog said:
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.creepycoug said:
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.WestlinnDuck said:I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Tell me: how can you "see that"? What does that mean? Are you saying that I'm a communist? Or were you trying to join in and be clever? -
Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.creepycoug said:
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.WestlinnDuck said:I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax. -
Odd? How so? Please be specific.Sledog said:
A lot of time studying Marx? We can see that. The only thing that needed studying was millions of deaths caused by that shit show of a system and how to eliminate it it.creepycoug said:
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.WestlinnDuck said:I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Well rounded means you study things. People study the tendencies of sociopaths. Should they stop doing that? Does that make them sympathetic to sociopaths? Do the good people in Quantico know that they're breeding serial killers by studying them too much?
How about cancer? Does research of cancer make the researcher a proponent of cancer-causing agents?
Did you think this line of bull shit through at all?
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you don't understand this. I'm also guessing you've always struggled with people who don't look, act, think and feel exactly as you do. -
I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.creepycoug said:
This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.WestlinnDuck said:I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.
I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.
Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.
And, still, here I am, humping for the man.
The sky is not falling. Relax.
Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.
The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.
