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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    Swaye said:

    I also was a history major in the 70s, but at a time when actual history was analyzed and taught. Critical thinking and writing were rewarded and at the time there was little PC indoctrination and generally US history and Western civilization was a priority. Sociology and political science, however, were already thoroughly contaminated by the commies. Today, at even so-called religious institutions, like say Baylor, liberal arts at the major universities are regressive indoctrination centers not centers of learning. Look at AOC and her “economics” degree from Boston College. Journalism programs certainly are not promoting fair and balanced reporting. When free sh*t, lying and a lust for power are the driving forces behind todays little progressive fascists – then our educational institutions are complete failures.

    This cuts both ways. It sounds like you're all about indoctrination as long as it's the right kind. That's not education. That's indoctrination. Her econ degree, from Boston University, isn't to blame for her values and her beliefs. She is smarter than a good chunk of the dummies in Congress. I think that's pretty plain to see. But she's also an unrealistic dreamer who is carrying a torch for something related to her upbringing ... or something. That doesn't make her stupid any more than Marxist philosophy made Lenin stupid. I know stupid when I see it. She's terribly misguided, inexperienced, young and likely a little damaged from something. But not stupid.

    I think you take an exaggerated and selective view of our educational institutions. They pump out smart and effective people who are taught to think. My kid just graduated from a place you no doubt would score as an indoctrination center, and the the truth on the ground is that it's not really true. It's a liberal place, because young smart kids often tend to question and are full of idealism because life hasn't beaten it out of them yet. And still, kids are going on to all manner of places and careers that are hardly bastions of socialist thought.

    Sure, they question things a lot. That's what you should be doing right after college. There's nothing wrong with studying view points outside of the boundaries you mention above. I am certain that Plato, Aristotle and Socrates would ask you what you're so afraid of. Critical examination of the "other" didn't frighten them. I'm about as capitalist as they come. Talk about indoctrination - when your family lost everything it had to a Marxist revolution, you get pretty well indoctrinated. But I spent a lot of time at Washington studying Marx. And that made me a better thinker. Hiding me from it would have rendered me a lesser educated person. I have a pretty good understanding of historical materialism and Marxist thought, and yet I believe that at this point in human history, capitalism, ever so tweaked at the margins, is still the best system for us. My advisor in the Philo department, Ken Clatterbaugh, was a card-carrying Marxist and one of the best and smartest professors I ever had. He also wrote my recommendation to law school.

    And, still, here I am, humping for the man.

    The sky is not falling. Relax.
    Hahahaha adding to the list of rasins I secretly like the creep. I'm pretty sure Clatterbaugh was one of the people that convinced me living in Academia was a sure fire way to have a myopic philosophy despite being extremely smart. As much as I loved philosophy I felt you have to go out into the world to seek experience for understanding rather than just spend more time in a classroom.
    I agree with that 100%. It applies across the academic spectrum too. I was speaking to one of my D's professors (science guy) about this and that after graduation, and he actually said out loud in response to something I said that he was glad I mentioned what I mentioned because "I'm in a bit of a bubble here."

    Still, Ken was one of the professors who taught me how to think. Not "what" to think, but "how" to think. He didn't mind if I blasted Marx in a paper. But he insisted I do more than base my view on simplistic emotional bleeding, as our local retired cop tends to favor. To do well there, I had to understand Marx to begin with before I could write about a paper about anything having to do with it.

    The Philo department at UW is a hidden gem. I assume they're still safely tucked away up on the top floor of Savory Hall where 98% of the student population don't dare (or care to) set foot. I remember how shocked people outside the major were when their shit papers would come back full of red ink and a "D+" grade on it. People think that department and major is easy. It really isn't.
    I got my ass handed to me in a "Philosophy of Asian Religions" course in Savory. My ass hurt for weeks taking that class. Philo was no joke.

    edit: Did well in a Logic course there, but that was harder than I thought it would be as well. I basically took these two courses the same quarter thinking they would be easy A's, because I think I had business statistics and some other math class for Econ that quarter as well, and instead ended up getting raped by the Philo courses so I never took another one. No easy A in Philo. Fuckers.
    Most people I know did fine in intro to logic. 120. Then some tried intermediate, and many were uncomfortable but go through and said "no mas". The brave who went to advanced didn't enjoy it. All classes were also full of math and the version of comp. sci that existed back then.

    bleh on logic at UW, it's completely centered around symbolic logic as a service to as you mentioned, Comp sci and math majors taking the course. It really does a disservice to anyone else attempting to take logic to, you know, learn logical argumentation.
    There was such a course at UW. It was called, as I recall, "Logical Reasoning" ... formal title was like Logic 117 or something. But to your point, there should have been moar of those. I still have that text book and have encouraged my daughters to review it. One of them actually did. Guess which one is the best student?

    Took that class over one summer. Taught by this hipster dude who was a freshly minted PhD from Penn. Good guy. He let me take the final in Magnuson Park while he played tennis (poorly).

    If I had to pick one single course at UW that I would cite as 'most valuable', that would be it. Deduction, induction, logical fallacies ... all that shit. Also took another course from him, forget what it was called, where we went over all the abortion debates. He and I were the only men in the room. The other like 12 students were women, many of them middle aged just taking a night class. Holy shit it was hard to make a single fucking point in that class. At times he'd look at me as if to say "Dude, I get it. Just drop it. Give up. We're not getting anywhere here."

    Good times.
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    creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 22,749
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    I got my ass handed to me in a "Philosophy of Asian Religions" course in Savory. My ass hurt for weeks taking that class. Philo was no joke.

    This happened to so many fucking people. I vividly recall this. Frat boys would come in and discover there was nothing in the Frat House "file" to help them cheat for the exam, because there weren't many exams. Many would have someone smart write their papers, but of course, the classes contained a lot of nuanced understanding you'd only get from being, you know, in class, so the smart ghost writer had no chance at hitting the critical points the prof was looking for. Lots and lots of "D" grades that should have been Fs no doubt.

    There was this one really old dude who taught an intermediate survey course that covered Spinoza, Descartes and that whole crowd. He was old school. Yale guy who taught there for years. Super nice, gentile classic old professor. But his grading was fucking brutal. He would write on the board in barely legible notes for 1.5 hours, and those of us who figured out early that you had to write every single fucking thing he wrote did ok. Anybody who tried to answer shit on their own on the exam got ass blasted because, let's face it, it was over everybody's head.

    It might be my single greatest academic accomplishment that I got a 3.7 in that course. People would be whining to him after class about a 2.0 and he'd genuinely look at them perplexed and answer that a 2.0 in his class was perfectly respectable. I got that 3.7, btw, by fucking plagiarizing his words in response to the right questions on the exam, which took three blue books to finish. People who were legitimately serious students got below a 2.0 in that guy's course. Trail of tears I tell ya.

    Hardest course I took was a seminar with the grad students, which you had to do to graduate with departmental honors. I was the only undergrad in that course, and I'm sure I got laughed at once or twice and I've just blocked it out. Professor just gave me a 3.3 or something to be nice.

    More story time with Uncle Creepy.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    So now you're whining like a little bitch when you get a dose of your own medicine? Just shut the fuck up while you've only proven to be 99% dip shit.

    WTFC what I studied? Now you're the thought police Goebbels? Burn some books maybe? People study all kinds of shit that they don't plan to go out and build a life upon dumb dumb. I also studied the living shit out of Plato, and I yet I don't see myself basing most of my day-to-day actions taking into account the theory of forms. Econ majors, who go on to, you know, business careers, also study Marx. Some historians spend a lifetime studying Nazi Fascism, and yet are not trying to take over Western Europe in their private time. In fact, there are several other posters on this board who have studied Marx in quite some depth, including some who share your political leanings.

    Wtf is so off with your brain that you can't get this? I said, in fairly plain English, that I'm not a Marxist. Is reading hard for you?

    Spend more time with your goose-stepping buddies at the donut shop Cletus. They're more your speed.

    Studying Marx isn't normal but rant on.

    Who's whining? I simply pointed out your beliefs.

    I've been called a lot worse.

    No, you were whining alright. Like this:

    Who's afraid of books? See their is your liberal bullshit again. Plant evidence? What a crock of shit. People get arrested because they commit crimes and get caught. It ain't like the show CSI you watch on TV. You probably think cops sit around saying "lets shoot a black guy tonight" at briefing too.

    Blah blah blah. Copper doth protest way too much. That got under your saddle and you fucking know it. And you were too stupid to recognize that it was just return fire and jumped on it like a Cop to a bribe.

    Studying Marx is not normal. Okie dokie Re-Run. Maybe for people like you who need a box of crayons when they read, you're probably right. But for those of us who got near a college campus, we think otherwise.

    Ask Bob or @UW_Doog_Bot or @MikeDamone if they studied Marx and if they consider themselves abnormal. I'd bet a dime to one of your Copper donuts that they've all read Das Kapital.

    You are struggling mightily today.
    I studied Marx. Whether or not I’m abnormal is certainly a valid question.

    Das Kapital, The Marx Engles Reader, Communist Manifesto. That’s how I know he was a bad economist. I read his books.
    We have a bingo. Maybe Barny Fife can comprehend this version of the explanation. God knows all of my attempts missed badly.


    If only the socialist fags here would read. I posted links for Hondo that were very basic. Henry Hazlitt, Hayek, Mises, Friedman. He would even take the time to read and formulate cohesive arguments. Waste of space. An emotional dip shit. 100% that Hondo hasn’t read Marx.
    You posted those links when I was working 70-80 hours a week for a few weeks. When my schedule (you know, real life) calmed down a few weeks later. I asked for them again and you refused to provide them. For quite a while. I was genuinely interested in reading them. But you see Mike. I only use this forum on my phone and the search function on mobile is shit. And desktop site on mobile is shit.

    So repost them. I'd even welcome a new thread that we can argue about shit.
    El oh fucking el. The only thing you were spending 80 hours on is camping out here.

    So many excuses. Fuck off. You’re. It genuinely interested in anything except excuses and lying. The links are still on the board. Find them yourself fuck stick. My god you’re pathetic
    Why are you afraid to post the links again Mike? Pussy
    Eat shit. I’m not your errand boy. The links are there. They are also widely available. So fuck off. You didn’t read the first time because that’s what you do, ignore things that will challenge you. You’re a pussy afraid to actually learn. Fuuuuuuuuuck off.

    You’re “too busy” line of bullshit is comedy gold.
    Pussy. Why are you afraid to post them again? Post them in a new thread and we can discuss. Sounds like a good time.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,498
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    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    @creepycoug just went *poof*. Too many references to Marx and you are on a watchlist.

    It's God's [Stalin's] way of telling me to quit arguing with the retard.
    I see we're down to liberal name calling. All the same. Never having lived in the world makes one sensitive. Having lived in the world I could give a hit what you or anyone else says. I've had more insults and threats than Trump. Like water off a ducks back.

    Now go back to your Marxist studies. I know how interesting they were for you. Did you do Lenin, Engels, Mao, Stalin Krushchev and Ho too?

    Betting you did at least some of them. Just to see. Getting sucked in in college isn't knew here but some of us resisted those washed up hippie professors.
    The irony of you saying this to someone that fled communism is mind numbing.
    Who fled communism?
    And, still, the essential point eludes you.

    Bad night for cops.
    Well I don't recall. So many people so many stories. I know you have some Cuban/Spanish you were in Cuba? If so I am unaware.

    Eludes? Maybe. Don't know definitely.
    I used to think your routine was a schtick.

    Now I'm more convinced that you are an actual moron in real life. Either born that way or serious head trauma in your Copper life.


    Either way, you're fucking stupid.
    Sledog is what Race actually wants to say.
    Got a link for this gibberish?
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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,066
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    I got my ass handed to me in a "Philosophy of Asian Religions" course in Savory. My ass hurt for weeks taking that class. Philo was no joke.

    This happened to so many fucking people. I vividly recall this. Frat boys would come in and discover there was nothing in the Frat House "file" to help them cheat for the exam, because there weren't many exams. Many would have someone smart write their papers, but of course, the classes contained a lot of nuanced understanding you'd only get from being, you know, in class, so the smart ghost writer had no chance at hitting the critical points the prof was looking for. Lots and lots of "D" grades that should have been Fs no doubt.

    There was this one really old dude who taught an intermediate survey course that covered Spinoza, Descartes and that whole crowd. He was old school. Yale guy who taught there for years. Super nice, gentile classic old professor. But his grading was fucking brutal. He would write on the board in barely legible notes for 1.5 hours, and those of us who figured out early that you had to write every single fucking thing he wrote did ok. Anybody who tried to answer shit on their own on the exam got ass blasted because, let's face it, it was over everybody's head.

    It might be my single greatest academic accomplishment that I got a 3.7 in that course. People would be whining to him after class about a 2.0 and he'd genuinely look at them perplexed and answer that a 2.0 in his class was perfectly respectable. I got that 3.7, btw, by fucking plagiarizing his words in response to the right questions on the exam, which took three blue books to finish. People who were legitimately serious students got below a 2.0 in that guy's course. Trail of tears I tell ya.

    Hardest course I took was a seminar with the grad students, which you had to do to graduate with departmental honors. I was the only undergrad in that course, and I'm sure I got laughed at once or twice and I've just blocked it out. Professor just gave me a 3.3 or something to be nice.

    More story time with Uncle Creepy.

    That's good shit. Yeah man, I had no idea the buzzsaw I was walking into. I thought we would be learning some history and bullshit about ancient chinese proverbs and shit. Instead I had to write 3 pages on the nuanced differences between Taoist and Buddhist positions on the inner self. Da fuq? I even read all the shit and was still like da fuq?

    And Clark Hall was nothing like Frats. No tests on file. Nothing. Some word of mouth oral tradition shit to help you out with the standard classes, but nobody had ever even heard of half the Philo Departments courses, much less taken them. We were training Marines and Navy pilots, not deep thinkers. FML.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    So now you're whining like a little bitch when you get a dose of your own medicine? Just shut the fuck up while you've only proven to be 99% dip shit.

    WTFC what I studied? Now you're the thought police Goebbels? Burn some books maybe? People study all kinds of shit that they don't plan to go out and build a life upon dumb dumb. I also studied the living shit out of Plato, and I yet I don't see myself basing most of my day-to-day actions taking into account the theory of forms. Econ majors, who go on to, you know, business careers, also study Marx. Some historians spend a lifetime studying Nazi Fascism, and yet are not trying to take over Western Europe in their private time. In fact, there are several other posters on this board who have studied Marx in quite some depth, including some who share your political leanings.

    Wtf is so off with your brain that you can't get this? I said, in fairly plain English, that I'm not a Marxist. Is reading hard for you?

    Spend more time with your goose-stepping buddies at the donut shop Cletus. They're more your speed.

    Studying Marx isn't normal but rant on.

    Who's whining? I simply pointed out your beliefs.

    I've been called a lot worse.

    No, you were whining alright. Like this:

    Who's afraid of books? See their is your liberal bullshit again. Plant evidence? What a crock of shit. People get arrested because they commit crimes and get caught. It ain't like the show CSI you watch on TV. You probably think cops sit around saying "lets shoot a black guy tonight" at briefing too.

    Blah blah blah. Copper doth protest way too much. That got under your saddle and you fucking know it. And you were too stupid to recognize that it was just return fire and jumped on it like a Cop to a bribe.

    Studying Marx is not normal. Okie dokie Re-Run. Maybe for people like you who need a box of crayons when they read, you're probably right. But for those of us who got near a college campus, we think otherwise.

    Ask Bob or @UW_Doog_Bot or @MikeDamone if they studied Marx and if they consider themselves abnormal. I'd bet a dime to one of your Copper donuts that they've all read Das Kapital.

    You are struggling mightily today.
    I studied Marx. Whether or not I’m abnormal is certainly a valid question.

    Das Kapital, The Marx Engles Reader, Communist Manifesto. That’s how I know he was a bad economist. I read his books.
    We have a bingo. Maybe Barny Fife can comprehend this version of the explanation. God knows all of my attempts missed badly.


    If only the socialist fags here would read. I posted links for Hondo that were very basic. Henry Hazlitt, Hayek, Mises, Friedman. He would even take the time to read and formulate cohesive arguments. Waste of space. An emotional dip shit. 100% that Hondo hasn’t read Marx.
    You posted those links when I was working 70-80 hours a week for a few weeks. When my schedule (you know, real life) calmed down a few weeks later. I asked for them again and you refused to provide them. For quite a while. I was genuinely interested in reading them. But you see Mike. I only use this forum on my phone and the search function on mobile is shit. And desktop site on mobile is shit.

    So repost them. I'd even welcome a new thread that we can argue about shit.
    El oh fucking el. The only thing you were spending 80 hours on is camping out here.

    So many excuses. Fuck off. You’re. It genuinely interested in anything except excuses and lying. The links are still on the board. Find them yourself fuck stick. My god you’re pathetic
    Why are you afraid to post the links again Mike? Pussy
    Eat shit. I’m not your errand boy. The links are there. They are also widely available. So fuck off. You didn’t read the first time because that’s what you do, ignore things that will challenge you. You’re a pussy afraid to actually learn. Fuuuuuuuuuck off.

    You’re “too busy” line of bullshit is comedy gold.
    Pussy. Why are you afraid to post them again? Post them in a new thread and we can discuss. Sounds like a good time.
    Yeah. I’m a pussy for telling you to fuck off. I’m not into doing things twice because some dumbshit is too stupid to figure it out the first time.

    Go figure it out dumbass. Yeah, I’m so afraid to post things I already posted. Just terrified.

    You’re such an idiot. Eat shit and kill yourself.
    Ok lil man.
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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,273
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    Swaye said:

    @UW_Doog_Bot when I was an Econ major there were two tracks - BS and BA. Is it still that way?

    Yessum. BS in Econ BA in Philo for me.
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    Swaye said:

    @UW_Doog_Bot when I was an Econ major there were two tracks - BS and BA. Is it still that way?

    Yessum. BS in Econ BA in Philo for me.
    Very good. I did the same. BS Econ BA Pol Sci. Neither one of which helped me a fly a plane.
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    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    So now you're whining like a little bitch when you get a dose of your own medicine? Just shut the fuck up while you've only proven to be 99% dip shit.

    WTFC what I studied? Now you're the thought police Goebbels? Burn some books maybe? People study all kinds of shit that they don't plan to go out and build a life upon dumb dumb. I also studied the living shit out of Plato, and I yet I don't see myself basing most of my day-to-day actions taking into account the theory of forms. Econ majors, who go on to, you know, business careers, also study Marx. Some historians spend a lifetime studying Nazi Fascism, and yet are not trying to take over Western Europe in their private time. In fact, there are several other posters on this board who have studied Marx in quite some depth, including some who share your political leanings.

    Wtf is so off with your brain that you can't get this? I said, in fairly plain English, that I'm not a Marxist. Is reading hard for you?

    Spend more time with your goose-stepping buddies at the donut shop Cletus. They're more your speed.

    Studying Marx isn't normal but rant on.

    Who's whining? I simply pointed out your beliefs.

    I've been called a lot worse.

    No, you were whining alright. Like this:

    Who's afraid of books? See their is your liberal bullshit again. Plant evidence? What a crock of shit. People get arrested because they commit crimes and get caught. It ain't like the show CSI you watch on TV. You probably think cops sit around saying "lets shoot a black guy tonight" at briefing too.

    Blah blah blah. Copper doth protest way too much. That got under your saddle and you fucking know it. And you were too stupid to recognize that it was just return fire and jumped on it like a Cop to a bribe.

    Studying Marx is not normal. Okie dokie Re-Run. Maybe for people like you who need a box of crayons when they read, you're probably right. But for those of us who got near a college campus, we think otherwise.

    Ask Bob or @UW_Doog_Bot or @MikeDamone if they studied Marx and if they consider themselves abnormal. I'd bet a dime to one of your Copper donuts that they've all read Das Kapital.

    You are struggling mightily today.
    I studied Marx. Whether or not I’m abnormal is certainly a valid question.

    Das Kapital, The Marx Engles Reader, Communist Manifesto. That’s how I know he was a bad economist. I read his books.
    We have a bingo. Maybe Barny Fife can comprehend this version of the explanation. God knows all of my attempts missed badly.


    If only the socialist fags here would read. I posted links for Hondo that were very basic. Henry Hazlitt, Hayek, Mises, Friedman. He would even take the time to read and formulate cohesive arguments. Waste of space. An emotional dip shit. 100% that Hondo hasn’t read Marx.
    You posted those links when I was working 70-80 hours a week for a few weeks. When my schedule (you know, real life) calmed down a few weeks later. I asked for them again and you refused to provide them. For quite a while. I was genuinely interested in reading them. But you see Mike. I only use this forum on my phone and the search function on mobile is shit. And desktop site on mobile is shit.

    So repost them. I'd even welcome a new thread that we can argue about shit.
    El oh fucking el. The only thing you were spending 80 hours on is camping out here.

    So many excuses. Fuck off. You’re. It genuinely interested in anything except excuses and lying. The links are still on the board. Find them yourself fuck stick. My god you’re pathetic
    Why are you afraid to post the links again Mike? Pussy
    Eat shit. I’m not your errand boy. The links are there. They are also widely available. So fuck off. You didn’t read the first time because that’s what you do, ignore things that will challenge you. You’re a pussy afraid to actually learn. Fuuuuuuuuuck off.

    You’re “too busy” line of bullshit is comedy gold.
    Pussy. Why are you afraid to post them again? Post them in a new thread and we can discuss. Sounds like a good time.
    Yeah. I’m a pussy for telling you to fuck off. I’m not into doing things twice because some dumbshit is too stupid to figure it out the first time.

    Go figure it out dumbass. Yeah, I’m so afraid to post things I already posted. Just terrified.

    You’re such an idiot. Eat shit and kill yourself.
    While Hondo is busy calling you a pussy in this thread for you not being willing to re-post something you've already provided him, Hondo the non-pussy is dodging like a Kunt the other thread where he lied and claimed Trump called all Mexican immigrants rapists.
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    Did anyone else have Dean Worcester as an Econ prof? Dude cracked me up.
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    edited June 2019

    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    @UW_Doog_Bot when I was an Econ major there were two tracks - BS and BA. Is it still that way?

    Yessum. BS in Econ BA in Philo for me.
    Very good. I did the same. BS Econ BA Pol Sci. Neither one of which helped me a fly a plane.
    Still impressive when you can't read.
    This is where @dnc and I found one another. He would read to me before tests. The salad days of my life.
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