"Collusion" sets up a false choice
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which says the research started in 2015 by a wealthy Republican opposed to the idiot Trump. I suppose you can argue the Steele Dossier was totally separate, but that is assuming Steele didn't use information obtained from the "wealthy Republican" funding. Doubtful. Anyway, Steele was NOT associating himself with the same goals as the Kremlin, as was the case with Trump's contacts.
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I'll wait right here cupcake.CirrhosisDawg said:
Why not? Who says?Sledog said:
Odd it's high crimes and misdemeanors. Why did they only list crimes? Because you can't impeach him because you don't LIKE him.RaceBannon said:
High crimes and misdemeanorsApostleofGrief said:You guys are getting still that impeachable offenses need not be illegal
Go ahead and do it.
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Bob isn't smart enough to read links as long as they contradict his pre conceived notions. He only reads shit that backs what he wants to hear.ApostleofGrief said:
Here is snopes: https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/10/25/dnc-clinton-campaign-pay-trump-russia-steele-dossier/SFGbob said:
The Steele Dossier wasn’t started until Hillary and the DNC started paying Fusion GPS through the Perkins Coie law firm. It’s a lie to say otherwise which I keep telling you and Hondo. Hondo keeps repeating it because he is a pathological liar, what is your excuse?ApostleofGrief said:
It is fine with me if they investigate this. The investigation started with a tipoff from the Australian intelligence not this report (which was not started by Hillary.) It's a red herring since as I keep reminding you: Trump didn't report his contacts to the FBI.SFGbob said:Isn't it amazing how they have absolutely no interest in the one Presidential campaign that we know for a fact did collude with the Russians in order impact the election.
Hillary paid for a British foreign national to gather dirt on Trump, from his Russian sources, none of which has ever been verified and which the author himself says was mostly bullshit and in all likelihood Russian disinformation that was then used by State Department, the DOJ the FBI and CIA to open up a counter-intelligence investigation on the Trump campaign, and none of you Kunt give a shit.
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Discussing receiving stolen goods isn't a crime?ApostleofGrief said:
Because it isn't a crime, dumbfuck! Like I've tried to explain, a president can be impeached just 'cuz the House says so. The history of high crimes and misdemeanors is ancient, and it is not a legal process. It means for example the House of Commons didn't like somebody's decision making.SFGbob said:
But he could charge everyone at the Trump Tower meeting with that crime, so why didn't he?ApostleofGrief said:
He can't charge a sitting president, if that is what you meanSFGbob said:Why didn't Mueller charge anyone with this crime?
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The impeachment of the King's Chancellor, Michael de la Pole, 1st Earl of Suffolk in 1386 was the first case to use this charge. One charge under this heading alleged that de la Pole broke a promise to Parliament. He had promised to follow the advice of a committee regarding improvement of the kingdom. Another charge said that he failed to pay a ransom for the town of Ghent, and because of that the town fell to the French.
The 1450 impeachment of William de la Pole, 1st Duke of Suffolk, a descendant of Michael's, was next to allege charges under this title. He was charged with using his influence to obstruct justice, cronyism, and wasting public money. Other charges against him included acts of high treason.
Impeachment fell out of use after 1459 but Parliament revived it in the early 17th century to try the King's ministers. In 1621, Parliament impeached the King's Attorney General, Sir Henry Yelverton for high crimes and misdemeanors. The charges included failing to prosecute after starting lawsuits and using authority before it was properly his.
After the Restoration the scope of the charge grew to include negligence, and abuse of power or trust while in office. For example, charges in the impeachment of Edward Russell, 1st Earl of Orford in 1701 included many violations of trust and his position. In this case, he abused his position in the Privy Council to make profits for himself; as Treasurer of the Navy he embezzled funds; and as Admiral of the Fleet he got a commission for the pirate William Kidd. -
Great thanks supports what I said:ApostleofGrief said:
Here is snopes: https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/10/25/dnc-clinton-campaign-pay-trump-russia-steele-dossier/SFGbob said:
The Steele Dossier wasn’t started until Hillary and the DNC started paying Fusion GPS through the Perkins Coie law firm. It’s a lie to say otherwise which I keep telling you and Hondo. Hondo keeps repeating it because he is a pathological liar, what is your excuse?ApostleofGrief said:
It is fine with me if they investigate this. The investigation started with a tipoff from the Australian intelligence not this report (which was not started by Hillary.) It's a red herring since as I keep reminding you: Trump didn't report his contacts to the FBI.SFGbob said:Isn't it amazing how they have absolutely no interest in the one Presidential campaign that we know for a fact did collude with the Russians in order impact the election.
Hillary paid for a British foreign national to gather dirt on Trump, from his Russian sources, none of which has ever been verified and which the author himself says was mostly bullshit and in all likelihood Russian disinformation that was then used by State Department, the DOJ the FBI and CIA to open up a counter-intelligence investigation on the Trump campaign, and none of you Kunt give a shit.
Why are you not upset about the DNC and Hillary using "Russian operatives" to gather dirt on Trump?
The Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign partially funded the investigation that produced the controversial “Steele Dossier,” according to a 24 October 2017 report by the Washington Post citing “people familiar with the matter.” Both CNN and Fox News said they had independently confirmed the Post‘s reporting via anonymous sources.
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So you "suppose" that calling it the "Steele dossier" before Steele even started working on it is ok.ApostleofGrief said:which says the research started in 2015 by a wealthy Republican opposed to the idiot Trump. I suppose you can argue the Steele Dossier was totally separate, but that is assuming Steele didn't use information obtained from the "wealthy Republican" funding. Doubtful. Anyway, Steele was NOT associating himself with the same goals as the Kremlin, as was the case with Trump's contacts.
No need to "suppose" that you're a dishonest dumbfuck. -
You mean the link that supports exactly what I said Hondo?2001400ex said:
Bob isn't smart enough to read links as long as they contradict his pre conceived notions. He only reads shit that backs what he wants to hear.ApostleofGrief said:
Here is snopes: https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/10/25/dnc-clinton-campaign-pay-trump-russia-steele-dossier/SFGbob said:
The Steele Dossier wasn’t started until Hillary and the DNC started paying Fusion GPS through the Perkins Coie law firm. It’s a lie to say otherwise which I keep telling you and Hondo. Hondo keeps repeating it because he is a pathological liar, what is your excuse?ApostleofGrief said:
It is fine with me if they investigate this. The investigation started with a tipoff from the Australian intelligence not this report (which was not started by Hillary.) It's a red herring since as I keep reminding you: Trump didn't report his contacts to the FBI.SFGbob said:Isn't it amazing how they have absolutely no interest in the one Presidential campaign that we know for a fact did collude with the Russians in order impact the election.
Hillary paid for a British foreign national to gather dirt on Trump, from his Russian sources, none of which has ever been verified and which the author himself says was mostly bullshit and in all likelihood Russian disinformation that was then used by State Department, the DOJ the FBI and CIA to open up a counter-intelligence investigation on the Trump campaign, and none of you Kunt give a shit.
Why are you not upset about the DNC and Hillary using "Russian operatives" to gather dirt on Trump?
The Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign partially funded the investigation that produced the controversial “Steele Dossier,” according to a 24 October 2017 report by the Washington Post citing “people familiar with the matter.” Both CNN and Fox News said they had independently confirmed the Post‘s reporting via anonymous sources. -
Bob is too dumb to understand that writing the dossier is just that.... Writing it. Where do you think the information came from for the dossier? Do you think Steele ignored everything that was paid for by the free beacon?
Seriously Bob. Do you ever wonder why no other conservative here circle jerks with you on this point or the point that Trump's team met with Russia about Democrat emails? -
“All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to The Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that The Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,” they said. “The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele.”
The Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee retained Fusion GPS to research any possible connections between Mr. Trump, his businesses, his campaign team and Russia, court filings revealed this week. Working for them, the firm retained Christopher Steele, a respected former British intelligence officer.
Hondo is a pathological liar who will repeat a lie long after it has been shown that his claims are false. -
Odd how there's no link for that quote.SFGbob said:“All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to The Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that The Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,” they said. “The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele.”
The Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee retained Fusion GPS to research any possible connections between Mr. Trump, his businesses, his campaign team and Russia, court filings revealed this week. Working for them, the firm retained Christopher Steele, a respected former British intelligence officer.
Hondo is a pathological liar who will repeat a lie long after it has been shown that his claims are false.
