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PSA: Oregon has more white people on the roster than UW
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What do you think?Pitchfork51 said:What was the impetus to this ridiculous conversation
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The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?jecornel said:Derek might consider rename
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt. -
So if I understand this correctly, it seems like Dennis is trying to point out that the perception is there. Which is fair.
But what others are trying to point out is that perception alone isn't proof that racism exists. And if there is no proof that it exists, then we should assume it doesn't. So where are we supposed to go from there? -
And if a guy doesn't fit the locker room and the current players on the roster don't like him, than that's that. Some of you think it's all Petersen behind recruiting decisions but it's also about the players on the roster who are hosting recruits on their visits and have been empowered to report back to Petersen if they think a guy is or isn't a fit in the locker room. JT Daniels was not a fit after he visited. A guy like Josh Rosen would have never been signed by UW. Not a fit with the rest of the players. If a guy is not going to be able to get along with the players we already have, he's probably not going to be successful here and will end up transferring out anyways. We're better off identifying those kinds of guy beforehand and not signing them in the first place. #TEAMOKG
Now, if we could just combine the OKG/BFL philosophy with FUN and EXCITEMENT that resonates beyond the program out to fans and recruits...we'd really be onto to something. -
They are also winning at a greater rate than in your lifetime. So, there's that.FremontTroll said:
A policy or procedure can be racist even if not intentionally so if it has a disparate impact.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
We can get into a debate over structural racism in current society and in history and why black people on average are worse off socioeconomically, educationally, criminally. We can also get into a debate over fast strategy/slow strategy theory of culture.
But we don't need to. All that matters is that UW is recruiting and signing black players at what is the lowest rate in my lifetime so the disparate impact is clearly present.
Whether that is random chance or because we just decided that we had great momentum with Polys or because OKG is unintentionally racist is arguably up for debate. Maybe its all three.
But the perception of bias/racism is out there and is being used by our rivals.
So CP needs to make changes and adapt. It isn't going away. -
Take away Dennis' internet privileges.Fenderbender123 said:So if I understand this correctly, it seems like Dennis is trying to point out that the perception is there. Which is fair.
But what others are trying to point out is that perception alone isn't proof that racism exists. And if there is no proof that it exists, then we should assume it doesn't. So where are we supposed to go from there? -
Naw, I was 7 in '91.Alexis said:
They are also winning at a greater rate than in your lifetime. So, there's that.FremontTroll said:
A policy or procedure can be racist even if not intentionally so if it has a disparate impact.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
We can get into a debate over structural racism in current society and in history and why black people on average are worse off socioeconomically, educationally, criminally. We can also get into a debate over fast strategy/slow strategy theory of culture.
But we don't need to. All that matters is that UW is recruiting and signing black players at what is the lowest rate in my lifetime so the disparate impact is clearly present.
Whether that is random chance or because we just decided that we had great momentum with Polys or because OKG is unintentionally racist is arguably up for debate. Maybe its all three.
But the perception of bias/racism is out there and is being used by our rivals.
So CP needs to make changes and adapt. It isn't going away. -
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.FremontTroll said:
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?jecornel said:Derek might consider rename
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt. -
FYFMFE for weighing in on the topic. But this is a less hyperventilated post that is much easier to respond to. The 23-and-me, pseudo brown paper bag tests of the other threads was too much for me, as a (partially) white person.FremontTroll said:
A policy or procedure can be racist even if not intentionally so if it has a disparate impact.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
We can get into a debate over structural racism in current society and in history and why black people on average are worse off socioeconomically, educationally, criminally. We can also get into a debate over fast strategy/slow strategy theory of culture.
But we don't need to. All that matters is that UW is recruiting and signing black players at what is the lowest rate in my lifetime so the disparate impact is clearly present.
Whether that is random chance or because we just decided that we had great momentum with Polys or because OKG is unintentionally racist is arguably up for debate. Maybe its all three.
But the perception of bias/racism is out there and is being used by our rivals.
So CP needs to make changes and adapt. It isn't going away.
A policy or procedure can be racist even if not intentionally so if it has a disparate impact.
I understand what you're saying here in broad terms, but it does not apply to this OKG thing. Racist is inherently negative and carries intent with it. Furthermore, we're not talking crack cocaine sentencing here. These are are football scholarships, accompanied by expectations, offered voluntarily to recruits for voluntary acceptance. If you can show some egregious imbalance in offers to black athletes, maybe racist comes into play. I doubt it. So far, the only numbers are of who's on the roster.
The rest I agree with.
Petersen is not going to change his fundamental principles on the OKG thing. If you want OKG gone, Petersen must go first. Dennis knows this. Dennis also has said how beneficial the Built for Life program/values can be for young men no matter color, background, etc. Adaptation then is a matter of communication, speaker->message->receiver, focusing on the message. The speaker and his principles are not going to change, the receivers (baller ass recruits) probably not going to change, then it must be the messaging. Dennis, et al, have shown repetedly (lol) the public messaging has failed. I suspect Petersen feels that any change in messaging betrays his fundamentals. I disagree with that.
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I think OKG is stupid, but isn't it itself racist to assume that OKG doesn't include black people, or somehow discriminates against them? Black dudes can be OKG much as white people. Otherwise, Pete would have to just have an issue with black people, and I don't think he does.Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
If this is about what Race was discussing the other day, different deal. You can (and should) recruit a few maniacs, and they come in all colors, shapes and sizes.
