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Your car also cut your treesDennis_DeYoung said:
Squirrel the Tree GuyPitchfork51 said:
Did u name itDennis_DeYoung said:
My Maserati was. RIP.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Imagine being in that sale -
Derek might consider rename
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue. -
"I need something that will impress the twinks"
"I can throw in a tree trimming deal too"
"Sold" -
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?jecornel said:Derek might consider rename
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
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That was actually being patronizing, not practicing paternalism.Dennis_DeYoung said:
I love white paternalism. I know you understand racism better than us, please educate me and my people how we can serve you better and make you more comfortable!BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Sorry for being IRRATIONAL!!! Really sucks to be labeled as irrational. Hate that. I enjoy the calm, clear reasoning of the white mind.
Oh, Sav'ell dropped us. Did you hear? Wanna know why?
Nah, never mind.
I know why he dropped UW. That is well documented. If Smalls thinks OKG is racist that's his prerogative. Claiming that's intentional though, is where you lose me. -
What was the impetus to this ridiculous conversation
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I honestly don't care what race any of the players are and I think 99% of fans feel the same. I just want to win. If a black kid doesn't want to come here because our roster's not black enough for him, fuck him. I don't care. Poly recruiting is more important for a West coast team anyways because of West coast demographics. We absolutely NEED the big bodied Poly kids to win at the highest level because there just aren't a lot of big bodied black kids out West like there is down South. We don't need any individual recruit to get where we want to go. Just need a roster that's more than 50% NFL talent and to finally have a good QB again.
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I'm guessing "Team white people who think they understand racism better than black people talking down to them and whitesplaining how something isn't actually racism" was too wordy?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Consult @MikeDamone , the inventor of the term pressing.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Pressing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Accusations of racism in recruiting is a huge fucking deal. Some name some people besides message board posters who are even entertaining this idea.Dennis_DeYoung said:
It's funny watching reality set in on a white person.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No black person has gone on the record publically to say this. It's all a bunch of white people on message boards.Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
Name one person who has said it.
The only people construing it as racist are you idiots.
THIS CAN'T BE!! THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!!
If there are none, STFU
Wait, we already know he is on team reality. -
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?NorwegianHusky said:
I'm guessing "Team white people who think they understand racism better than black people talking down to them and whitesplaining how something isn't actually racism" was too wordy?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Consult @MikeDamone , the inventor of the term pressing.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Pressing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Accusations of racism in recruiting is a huge fucking deal. Some name some people besides message board posters who are even entertaining this idea.Dennis_DeYoung said:
It's funny watching reality set in on a white person.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No black person has gone on the record publically to say this. It's all a bunch of white people on message boards.Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
Name one person who has said it.
The only people construing it as racist are you idiots.
THIS CAN'T BE!! THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!!
If there are none, STFU
Wait, we already know he is on team reality. -
DDY has been pushing this "Pete hates black people" and institutional bias narrative since I've been reading this site, and likely before. And we wonder how this all started? He and his cult have started a giant game of Telephone, taken to social media about it, and it's snowballing. Recruits see this shit and seeds of doubt are planted. This is self-sabotage. Ironically, this narrative was started by our own fanbase, right fucking here. Isn't that special? Somebody cut the cord.Pitchfork51 said:What was the impetus to this ridiculous conversation
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What do you think?Pitchfork51 said:What was the impetus to this ridiculous conversation
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The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?jecornel said:Derek might consider rename
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt. -
So if I understand this correctly, it seems like Dennis is trying to point out that the perception is there. Which is fair.
But what others are trying to point out is that perception alone isn't proof that racism exists. And if there is no proof that it exists, then we should assume it doesn't. So where are we supposed to go from there? -
And if a guy doesn't fit the locker room and the current players on the roster don't like him, than that's that. Some of you think it's all Petersen behind recruiting decisions but it's also about the players on the roster who are hosting recruits on their visits and have been empowered to report back to Petersen if they think a guy is or isn't a fit in the locker room. JT Daniels was not a fit after he visited. A guy like Josh Rosen would have never been signed by UW. Not a fit with the rest of the players. If a guy is not going to be able to get along with the players we already have, he's probably not going to be successful here and will end up transferring out anyways. We're better off identifying those kinds of guy beforehand and not signing them in the first place. #TEAMOKG
Now, if we could just combine the OKG/BFL philosophy with FUN and EXCITEMENT that resonates beyond the program out to fans and recruits...we'd really be onto to something. -
They are also winning at a greater rate than in your lifetime. So, there's that.FremontTroll said:
A policy or procedure can be racist even if not intentionally so if it has a disparate impact.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
We can get into a debate over structural racism in current society and in history and why black people on average are worse off socioeconomically, educationally, criminally. We can also get into a debate over fast strategy/slow strategy theory of culture.
But we don't need to. All that matters is that UW is recruiting and signing black players at what is the lowest rate in my lifetime so the disparate impact is clearly present.
Whether that is random chance or because we just decided that we had great momentum with Polys or because OKG is unintentionally racist is arguably up for debate. Maybe its all three.
But the perception of bias/racism is out there and is being used by our rivals.
So CP needs to make changes and adapt. It isn't going away. -
Take away Dennis' internet privileges.Fenderbender123 said:So if I understand this correctly, it seems like Dennis is trying to point out that the perception is there. Which is fair.
But what others are trying to point out is that perception alone isn't proof that racism exists. And if there is no proof that it exists, then we should assume it doesn't. So where are we supposed to go from there? -
Naw, I was 7 in '91.Alexis said:
They are also winning at a greater rate than in your lifetime. So, there's that.FremontTroll said:
A policy or procedure can be racist even if not intentionally so if it has a disparate impact.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
We can get into a debate over structural racism in current society and in history and why black people on average are worse off socioeconomically, educationally, criminally. We can also get into a debate over fast strategy/slow strategy theory of culture.
But we don't need to. All that matters is that UW is recruiting and signing black players at what is the lowest rate in my lifetime so the disparate impact is clearly present.
Whether that is random chance or because we just decided that we had great momentum with Polys or because OKG is unintentionally racist is arguably up for debate. Maybe its all three.
But the perception of bias/racism is out there and is being used by our rivals.
So CP needs to make changes and adapt. It isn't going away. -
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.FremontTroll said:
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?jecornel said:Derek might consider rename
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt. -
FYFMFE for weighing in on the topic. But this is a less hyperventilated post that is much easier to respond to. The 23-and-me, pseudo brown paper bag tests of the other threads was too much for me, as a (partially) white person.FremontTroll said:
A policy or procedure can be racist even if not intentionally so if it has a disparate impact.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
We can get into a debate over structural racism in current society and in history and why black people on average are worse off socioeconomically, educationally, criminally. We can also get into a debate over fast strategy/slow strategy theory of culture.
But we don't need to. All that matters is that UW is recruiting and signing black players at what is the lowest rate in my lifetime so the disparate impact is clearly present.
Whether that is random chance or because we just decided that we had great momentum with Polys or because OKG is unintentionally racist is arguably up for debate. Maybe its all three.
But the perception of bias/racism is out there and is being used by our rivals.
So CP needs to make changes and adapt. It isn't going away.
A policy or procedure can be racist even if not intentionally so if it has a disparate impact.
I understand what you're saying here in broad terms, but it does not apply to this OKG thing. Racist is inherently negative and carries intent with it. Furthermore, we're not talking crack cocaine sentencing here. These are are football scholarships, accompanied by expectations, offered voluntarily to recruits for voluntary acceptance. If you can show some egregious imbalance in offers to black athletes, maybe racist comes into play. I doubt it. So far, the only numbers are of who's on the roster.
The rest I agree with.
Petersen is not going to change his fundamental principles on the OKG thing. If you want OKG gone, Petersen must go first. Dennis knows this. Dennis also has said how beneficial the Built for Life program/values can be for young men no matter color, background, etc. Adaptation then is a matter of communication, speaker->message->receiver, focusing on the message. The speaker and his principles are not going to change, the receivers (baller ass recruits) probably not going to change, then it must be the messaging. Dennis, et al, have shown repetedly (lol) the public messaging has failed. I suspect Petersen feels that any change in messaging betrays his fundamentals. I disagree with that.
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I think OKG is stupid, but isn't it itself racist to assume that OKG doesn't include black people, or somehow discriminates against them? Black dudes can be OKG much as white people. Otherwise, Pete would have to just have an issue with black people, and I don't think he does.Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
If this is about what Race was discussing the other day, different deal. You can (and should) recruit a few maniacs, and they come in all colors, shapes and sizes. -
As I said in another thread, I don’t think Pete is racist. I don’t think OKG is racist. But perception is reality and the perception is clearly out there - first by local HS coaches, now by rival recruiters.creepycoug said:
I think OKG is stupid, but isn't it itself racist to assume that OKG doesn't include black people, or somehow discriminates against them? Black dudes can be OKG much as white people. Otherwise, Pete would have to just have an issue with black people, and I don't think he does.Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
If this is about what Race was discussing the other day, different deal. You can (and should) recruit a few maniacs, and they come in all colors, shapes and sizes.
It doesn’t matter that it’s not grounded in truth, the perception is out there, and it’s probably the worst accusation that could come against a football program. It literally just cost us the best player to come out of our area in nineteen years. At least.
I’m not 100% sure how Pete fixes this but i am sure ignoring it and hoping it goes away is the wrong idea. Pete needs to empower the Shaq’s, John Ross’s, Myles Gaskins, Budda Bakers, Sidney Jones and Jordan Milers of the world to hit back against this A the fuck SAP. -
They said they are committing to other programs.CallMeBigErn said:
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.FremontTroll said:
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?jecornel said:Derek might consider rename
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt. -
Grouping all of those players together just because they're black is stupid. There have been plenty of white kids and poly kids who felt like UW wasn't for them either and that's fine. It's not for everybody and there are some other great options out there. Every individual recruit is his own person and his recruitment by UW is nuanced and different from the recruitment of others. Half those kids you mentioned just weren't interested in UW at all from the jump. Has nothing to do with the way they were recruited. Like I said before, some just aren't interested in academics and the built for life shit. They don't care which if fine. Rodgers and Scott have never been offered. They are completely irrelevant. Just because they're in-state recruits doesn't mean they're at all relevant to UW recruiting. The only guys who are relevant are guys that UW offers and wants. On top of that, DJ Johnson wanted to transfer to UW over Oregon. UW did their homework on him and passed. Sometimes kids or their parents want to be paid and UW doesn't pay so that eliminates us as well. UW just might not be "cool" enough for some kids. Wearing a UW uniform might not make a kid feel cool or swaggy compared to wearing a Texas or Florida uniform. Maybe that will change with the Adidas uniforms and winning big bowl games. There are all sorts of difference nuanced reasons as to why UW doesn't get a guy or isn't interested in a guy and it's different for every single recruit.FremontTroll said:
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?jecornel said:Derek might consider rename
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
You idiots are perpetuating a false narrative and doing damage to your own team. Just stop. -
Michael Irvin and Stan Emptermann could not be more different in upbringing and color yet both provided that vital leadership that said - follow me boys we're going to fuck some people up todaycreepycoug said:
I think OKG is stupid, but isn't it itself racist to assume that OKG doesn't include black people, or somehow discriminates against them? Black dudes can be OKG much as white people. Otherwise, Pete would have to just have an issue with black people, and I don't think he does.Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
If this is about what Race was discussing the other day, different deal. You can (and should) recruit a few maniacs, and they come in all colors, shapes and sizes.
Stan was more feared than any opponent or coach. I'm not sure if Michael led in exactly that way, I saw him more as get on my back we got these fuckers beat. We're better than them
Current UW and most teams since most teams are losers go into a game wondering if they can win - like out post season games. By the time they realize they can its too late. They lost -
Is that really true?HillsboroDuck said:
As I said in another thread, I don’t think Pete is racist. I don’t think OKG is racist. But perception is reality and the perception is clearly out there - first by local HS coaches, now by rival recruiters.creepycoug said:
I think OKG is stupid, but isn't it itself racist to assume that OKG doesn't include black people, or somehow discriminates against them? Black dudes can be OKG much as white people. Otherwise, Pete would have to just have an issue with black people, and I don't think he does.Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
If this is about what Race was discussing the other day, different deal. You can (and should) recruit a few maniacs, and they come in all colors, shapes and sizes.
It doesn’t matter that it’s not grounded in truth, the perception is out there, and it’s probably the worst accusation that could come against a football program. It literally just cost us the best player to come out of our area in nineteen years. At least.
I’m not 100% sure how Pete fixes this but i am sure ignoring it and hoping it goes away is the wrong idea. Pete needs to empower the Shaq’s, John Ross’s, Myles Gaskins, Budda Bakers, Sidney Jones and Jordan Milers of the world to hit back against this A the fuck SAP. -
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.FremontTroll said:
They said they are committing to other programs.CallMeBigErn said:
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.FremontTroll said:
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?jecornel said:Derek might consider rename
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
DDY isn't black...BleachedAnusDawg said:
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt. -
yescreepycoug said:
Is that really true?HillsboroDuck said:
As I said in another thread, I don’t think Pete is racist. I don’t think OKG is racist. But perception is reality and the perception is clearly out there - first by local HS coaches, now by rival recruiters.creepycoug said:
I think OKG is stupid, but isn't it itself racist to assume that OKG doesn't include black people, or somehow discriminates against them? Black dudes can be OKG much as white people. Otherwise, Pete would have to just have an issue with black people, and I don't think he does.Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
If this is about what Race was discussing the other day, different deal. You can (and should) recruit a few maniacs, and they come in all colors, shapes and sizes.
It doesn’t matter that it’s not grounded in truth, the perception is out there, and it’s probably the worst accusation that could come against a football program. It literally just cost us the best player to come out of our area in nineteen years. At least.
I’m not 100% sure how Pete fixes this but i am sure ignoring it and hoping it goes away is the wrong idea. Pete needs to empower the Shaq’s, John Ross’s, Myles Gaskins, Budda Bakers, Sidney Jones and Jordan Milers of the world to hit back against this A the fuck SAP. -
Fuck you for saying shit I actually agree with and have stated before.creepycoug said:
I think OKG is stupid, but isn't it itself racist to assume that OKG doesn't include black people, or somehow discriminates against them? Black dudes can be OKG much as white people. Otherwise, Pete would have to just have an issue with black people, and I don't think he does.Dennis_DeYoung said:Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
If this is about what Race was discussing the other day, different deal. You can (and should) recruit a few maniacs, and they come in all colors, shapes and sizes. -
Imagine Washington's offense with JRoss & Company and Rosen throwing the ball instead of the Cobra.StrongArmCobra said:And if a guy doesn't fit the locker room and the current players on the roster don't like him, than that's that. Some of you think it's all Petersen behind recruiting decisions but it's also about the players on the roster who are hosting recruits on their visits and have been empowered to report back to Petersen if they think a guy is or isn't a fit in the locker room. JT Daniels was not a fit after he visited. A guy like Josh Rosen would have never been signed by UW. Not a fit with the rest of the players. If a guy is not going to be able to get along with the players we already have, he's probably not going to be successful here and will end up transferring out anyways. We're better off identifying those kinds of guy beforehand and not signing them in the first place. #TEAMOKG
Now, if we could just combine the OKG/BFL philosophy with FUN and EXCITEMENT that resonates beyond the program out to fans and recruits...we'd really be onto to something.
Over the years, I've been aware of a lot of players at Washington who weren't frat bros with the rest of the team.
A certain Pro Bowl center for the Chicago Bears comes immediately to mind. There have been plenty of others.
#nobodyeverlikedWarrenSapp -
I don't think anyone actually believes Crisp Peterman is a racist. People are just upset that it could look that way.
