Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I think OKG is stupid, but isn't it itself racist to assume that OKG doesn't include black people, or somehow discriminates against them? Black dudes can be OKG much as white people. Otherwise, Pete would have to just have an issue with black people, and I don't think he does.
If this is about what Race was discussing the other day, different deal. You can (and should) recruit a few maniacs, and they come in all colors, shapes and sizes.
As I said in another thread, I don’t think Pete is racist. I don’t think OKG is racist. But perception is reality and the perception is clearly out there - first by local HS coaches, now by rival recruiters.
It doesn’t matter that it’s not grounded in truth, the perception is out there, and it’s probably the worst accusation that could come against a football program. It literally just cost us the best player to come out of our area in nineteen years. At least.
I’m not 100% sure how Pete fixes this but i am sure ignoring it and hoping it goes away is the wrong idea. Pete needs to empower the Shaq’s, John Ross’s, Myles Gaskins, Budda Bakers, Sidney Jones and Jordan Milers of the world to hit back against this A the fuck SAP.
Keep winning. Keep putting players in the league. Try to find more black OKGs wherever you can. Ignore the rest. The root of this is envy. Pure and simple. Black coaches and black parents in the state of Washington see what UW is building and they want their players and kids to have a chance to be a part of it. When some of those players are not recruited by UW or their recruitment doesn't work out for any of a multitude of reasons, some of them take it personally and instead of personal accountability, they want to point the finger back at UW and say they're the problem and they're racist or elitist or any other nonsense that allows them to protect their ego. There's nothing you can do about that. If UW sucked ass like we used to, none of this would be an issue because of none of these kids would be interested in UW in the first place. You can't please everybody.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
I think you gotta more specifically define "problem."
What was the impetus to this ridiculous conversation
DDY has been pushing this "Pete hates black people" and institutional bias narrative since I've been reading this site, and likely before. And we wonder how this all started? He and his cult have started a giant game of Telephone, taken to social media about it, and it's snowballing. Recruits see this shit and seeds of doubt are planted. This is self-sabotage. Ironically, this narrative was started by our own fanbase, right fucking here. Isn't that special? Somebody cut the cord.
If it hurts your recruiting I'm happy to keep this shit going
Peterman is a racist fuckhead who only has a fetish for momma's boy light skinned grinders
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
I think you gotta more specifically define "problem."
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Dude, you said, "Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program."
Smalls said something to Ruth yesterday. I'm interested in knowing what the rest of them said about their problems with UW. And since you're just listing guys who did not commit and some who don't even have offers, why don't you tell me about the problems Justin Fields, Tua, Trevor Lawrence, and OJ Simpson had with UW also. Clearly they must have a problem with UW's program if they didn't come here.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Never, because the demographics have changed. Mixed-black recruits outnumber full-black recruits out West. That's not a problem. It just is what is it is. The mixed-black kids and poly kids are the majority of the top talent out West and that will continue going forward. We do very well with those two demographics so we're fine. Out of the few full-black recruits out West this cycle, we're doing pretty well with some of them. Bijan Robinson, Jordan Banks, and Kourt Williams are legitimately interested and I think we could get two of them. Ringo was interested before he fell in love with Texas and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with UW if a kid likes Texas more than us. They're TEXAS for fuck sake. Not a bad school or program to be interested in. I still think Jimmy Lake will find a way to get us back in that one.
All of this is much ado about nothing. The bottom line is the four main demographics for football talent out West are mixed-black, poly, white, and full-black. Three out of those four demographics love the built for life shit UW is selling. That means we have a pretty diverse recruiting pool to select from. Some schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin are stuck having to recruit mostly white kids. Some schools are stuck having to recruit mostly full-black kids. But UW's recruiting is way more flexible to the point the coaches don't have to worry about it and they can just recruit OKG's off all races and whoever wants to be a Dawg can be a Dawg.
This is not a problem and the "perception" is not a problem either. If some of the few full-black kids out West feel like they don't fit UW's culture that's fine, we'll replace them with the mixed-black kids who outnumber them anyways and a few African kids. That's the truth of the matter. We don't need to get a lot of them to win a national championship. In any given class, in the entire Western region of the U.S., there might only be 10 full-black football recruits who are UW caliber players. That's it. The demographics have changed that much the past 20 years. Some of them aren't OKG's and some of them just aren't interested. I expect us to get 2-3 of them per cycle. The rest will be mixed-black, poly, white, and maybe one or two Africans if we're lucky. Get used to it. It's the way it is now. The coaches can't control the demographics of the talent pool available to them.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Never, because the demographics have changed. Mixed-black recruits outnumber full-black recruits out West. That's not a problem. It just is what is it is. The mixed-black kids and poly kids are the majority of the top talent out West and that will continue going forward. We do very well with those two demographics so we're fine. Out of the few full-black recruits out West this cycle, we're doing pretty well with some of them. Bijan Robinson, Jordan Banks, and Kourt Williams are legitimately interested and I think we could get two of them. Ringo was interested before he fell in love with Texas and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with UW if a kid likes Texas more than us. They're TEXAS for fuck sake. Not a bad school or program to be interested in. I still think Jimmy Lake will find a way to get us back in that one. All of this is much ado about nothing. The bottom line is the four main demographics for football talent out West are mixed-black, poly, white, and full-black. Three out of those four demographics love the built for life shit UW is selling. That means we have a pretty diverse recruiting pool to select from. Some schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin are stuck having to recruit mostly white kids. Some schools are stuck having to recruit mostly full-black kids. But UW's recruiting is way more flexible to the point the coaches don't have to worry about it. They can just recruit OKG's off all races and whoever wants in can be a Dawg. This is not a problem and the "perception" is not a problem. If some of the few full-black kids out West feel like they don't fit UW's culture that's fine, we'll replace them with the mixed-black kids who outnumber them anyways and a few African kids. That's the truth of the matter. We don't need to get a lot of them to win a national championship. In any given class, in the entire Western region of the U.S., there might only be 10 full-black football recruits who are UW caliber players. That's it. The demographics have changed that much the past 20 years. Some of them aren't OKG's and some of them just aren't interested. I expect us to get 2-3 of them per cycle. The rest will be mixed-black, poly, white, and maybe one or two Africans if we're lucky. Get used to it.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Never, because the demographics have changed. Mixed-black recruits outnumber full-black recruits out West. That's not a problem. It just is what is it is. The mixed-black kids and poly kids are the majority of the top talent out West and that will continue going forward. We do very well with those two demographics so we're fine. Out of the few full-black recruits out West this cycle, we're doing pretty well with some of them. Bijan Robinson, Jordan Banks, and Kourt Williams are legitimately interested and I think we could get two of them. Ringo was interested before he fell in love with Texas and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with UW if a kid likes Texas more than us. They're TEXAS for fuck sake. Not a bad school or program to be interested in. I still think Jimmy Lake will find a way to get us back in that one. All of this is much ado about nothing. The bottom line is the four main demographics for football talent out West are mixed-black, poly, white, and full-black. Three out of those four demographics love the built for life shit UW is selling. That means we have a pretty diverse recruiting pool to select from. Some schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin are stuck having to recruit mostly white kids. Some schools are stuck having to recruit mostly full-black kids. But UW's recruiting is way more flexible to the point the coaches don't have to worry about it. They can just recruit OKG's off all races and whoever wants in can be a Dawg. This is not a problem and the "perception" is not a problem. If some of the few full-black kids out West feel like they don't fit UW's culture that's fine, we'll replace them with the mixed-black kids who outnumber them anyways and a few African kids. That's the truth of the matter. We don't need to get a lot of them to win a national championship. In any given class, in the entire Western region of the U.S., there might only be 10 full-black football recruits who are UW caliber players. That's it. The demographics have changed that much the past 20 years. Some of them aren't OKG's and some of them just aren't interested. I expect us to get 2-3 of them per cycle. The rest will be mixed-black, poly, white, and maybe one or two Africans if we're lucky. Get used to it.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Never, because the demographics have changed. Mixed-black recruits outnumber full-black recruits out West. That's not a problem. It just is what is it is. The mixed-black kids and poly kids are the majority of the top talent out West and that will continue going forward. We do very well with those two demographics so we're fine. Out of the few full-black recruits out West this cycle, we're doing pretty well with some of them. Bijan Robinson, Jordan Banks, and Kourt Williams are legitimately interested and I think we could get two of them. Ringo was interested before he fell in love with Texas and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with UW if a kid likes Texas more than us. They're TEXAS for fuck sake. Not a bad school or program to be interested in. I still think Jimmy Lake will find a way to get us back in that one. All of this is much ado about nothing. The bottom line is the four main demographics for football talent out West are mixed-black, poly, white, and full-black. Three out of those four demographics love the built for life shit UW is selling. That means we have a pretty diverse recruiting pool to select from. Some schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin are stuck having to recruit mostly white kids. Some schools are stuck having to recruit mostly full-black kids. But UW's recruiting is way more flexible to the point the coaches don't have to worry about it. They can just recruit OKG's off all races and whoever wants in can be a Dawg. This is not a problem and the "perception" is not a problem. If some of the few full-black kids out West feel like they don't fit UW's culture that's fine, we'll replace them with the mixed-black kids who outnumber them anyways and a few African kids. That's the truth of the matter. We don't need to get a lot of them to win a national championship. In any given class, in the entire Western region of the U.S., there might only be 10 full-black football recruits who are UW caliber players. That's it. The demographics have changed that much the past 20 years. Some of them aren't OKG's and some of them just aren't interested. I expect us to get 2-3 of them per cycle. The rest will be mixed-black, poly, white, and maybe one or two Africans if we're lucky. Get used to it.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Never, because the demographics have changed. Mixed-black recruits outnumber full-black recruits out West. That's not a problem. It just is what is it is. The mixed-black kids and poly kids are the majority of the top talent out West and that will continue going forward. We do very well with those two demographics so we're fine. Out of the few full-black recruits out West this cycle, we're doing pretty well with some of them. Bijan Robinson, Jordan Banks, and Kourt Williams are legitimately interested and I think we could get two of them. Ringo was interested before he fell in love with Texas and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with UW if a kid likes Texas more than us. They're TEXAS for fuck sake. Not a bad school or program to be interested in. I still think Jimmy Lake will find a way to get us back in that one. All of this is much ado about nothing. The bottom line is the four main demographics for football talent out West are mixed-black, poly, white, and full-black. Three out of those four demographics love the built for life shit UW is selling. That means we have a pretty diverse recruiting pool to select from. Some schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin are stuck having to recruit mostly white kids. Some schools are stuck having to recruit mostly full-black kids. But UW's recruiting is way more flexible to the point the coaches don't have to worry about it. They can just recruit OKG's off all races and whoever wants in can be a Dawg. This is not a problem and the "perception" is not a problem. If some of the few full-black kids out West feel like they don't fit UW's culture that's fine, we'll replace them with the mixed-black kids who outnumber them anyways and a few African kids. That's the truth of the matter. We don't need to get a lot of them to win a national championship. In any given class, in the entire Western region of the U.S., there might only be 10 full-black football recruits who are UW caliber players. That's it. The demographics have changed that much the past 20 years. Some of them aren't OKG's and some of them just aren't interested. I expect us to get 2-3 of them per cycle. The rest will be mixed-black, poly, white, and maybe one or two Africans if we're lucky. Get used to it.
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I fixed it before you posted this.
I didn't read it for the second time
Nobody cares. You're like that one guy that nobody cares about who just awkwardly keeps hanging around and nobody says anything because they don't want to hurt his feelings. But I'm here to tell you, nobody cares. You're not cool. You're not even a UW fan. You provide nothing to this board. Nobody really cares or reads what you post.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Never, because the demographics have changed. Mixed-black recruits outnumber full-black recruits out West. That's not a problem. It just is what is it is. The mixed-black kids and poly kids are the majority of the top talent out West and that will continue going forward. We do very well with those two demographics so we're fine. Out of the few full-black recruits out West this cycle, we're doing pretty well with some of them. Bijan Robinson, Jordan Banks, and Kourt Williams are legitimately interested and I think we could get two of them. Ringo was interested before he fell in love with Texas and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with UW if a kid likes Texas more than us. They're TEXAS for fuck sake. Not a bad school or program to be interested in. I still think Jimmy Lake will find a way to get us back in that one. All of this is much ado about nothing. The bottom line is the four main demographics for football talent out West are mixed-black, poly, white, and full-black. Three out of those four demographics love the built for life shit UW is selling. That means we have a pretty diverse recruiting pool to select from. Some schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin are stuck having to recruit mostly white kids. Some schools are stuck having to recruit mostly full-black kids. But UW's recruiting is way more flexible to the point the coaches don't have to worry about it. They can just recruit OKG's off all races and whoever wants in can be a Dawg. This is not a problem and the "perception" is not a problem. If some of the few full-black kids out West feel like they don't fit UW's culture that's fine, we'll replace them with the mixed-black kids who outnumber them anyways and a few African kids. That's the truth of the matter. We don't need to get a lot of them to win a national championship. In any given class, in the entire Western region of the U.S., there might only be 10 full-black football recruits who are UW caliber players. That's it. The demographics have changed that much the past 20 years. Some of them aren't OKG's and some of them just aren't interested. I expect us to get 2-3 of them per cycle. The rest will be mixed-black, poly, white, and maybe one or two Africans if we're lucky. Get used to it.
Imagine reading this
I fixed it before you posted this.
I didn't read it for the second time
Nobody cares. You're like that one guy that nobody cares about who just awkwardly keeps hanging around and nobody says anything because they don't want to hurt his feelings. But I'm here to tell you, nobody cares. You're not cool. You're not even a UW fan. You provide nothing to this board. Nobody really cares or reads what you post.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
I think you gotta more specifically define "problem."
Negatively impacting recruiting going forward.
Ok. I would judge that on wins and losses. Fair? If Pete continues winning 10+ games a year with his current system do you see anything changing? He would say his system works and recruiting is working in that scenario.
At that point you have a decision to make. Be content with those results or fire him. He's not getting fired in that scenario (IMO).
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Never, because the demographics have changed. Mixed-black recruits outnumber full-black recruits out West. That's not a problem. It just is what is it is. The mixed-black kids and poly kids are the majority of the top talent out West and that will continue going forward. We do very well with those two demographics so we're fine. Out of the few full-black recruits out West this cycle, we're doing pretty well with some of them. Bijan Robinson, Jordan Banks, and Kourt Williams are legitimately interested and I think we could get two of them. Ringo was interested before he fell in love with Texas and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with UW if a kid likes Texas more than us. They're TEXAS for fuck sake. Not a bad school or program to be interested in. I still think Jimmy Lake will find a way to get us back in that one. All of this is much ado about nothing. The bottom line is the four main demographics for football talent out West are mixed-black, poly, white, and full-black. Three out of those four demographics love the built for life shit UW is selling. That means we have a pretty diverse recruiting pool to select from. Some schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin are stuck having to recruit mostly white kids. Some schools are stuck having to recruit mostly full-black kids. But UW's recruiting is way more flexible to the point the coaches don't have to worry about it. They can just recruit OKG's off all races and whoever wants in can be a Dawg. This is not a problem and the "perception" is not a problem. If some of the few full-black kids out West feel like they don't fit UW's culture that's fine, we'll replace them with the mixed-black kids who outnumber them anyways and a few African kids. That's the truth of the matter. We don't need to get a lot of them to win a national championship. In any given class, in the entire Western region of the U.S., there might only be 10 full-black football recruits who are UW caliber players. That's it. The demographics have changed that much the past 20 years. Some of them aren't OKG's and some of them just aren't interested. I expect us to get 2-3 of them per cycle. The rest will be mixed-black, poly, white, and maybe one or two Africans if we're lucky. Get used to it.
Imagine reading this
I fixed it before you posted this.
I didn't read it for the second time
Nobody cares. You're like that one guy that nobody cares about who just awkwardly keeps hanging around and nobody says anything because they don't want to hurt his feelings. But I'm here to tell you, nobody cares. You're not cool. You're not even a UW fan. You provide nothing to this board. Nobody really cares or reads what you post.
Sounds like you care
Bro, you're an ASU fan constantly trolling a UW board. There's no winning for you here.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
I think you gotta more specifically define "problem."
Negatively impacting recruiting going forward.
Ok. I would judge that on wins and losses. Fair? If Pete continues winning 10+ games a year with his current system do you see anything changing? He would say his system works and recruiting is working in that scenario.
Plateauing at our current level of success is exactly what I am afraid of.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
I think you gotta more specifically define "problem."
Negatively impacting recruiting going forward.
Ok. I would judge that on wins and losses. Fair? If Pete continues winning 10+ games a year with his current system do you see anything changing? He would say his system works and recruiting is working in that scenario.
Plateauing at our current level of success is exactly what I am afraid of.
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
I talk to Buffy all the time. She is great lady and I am a big fan of her son.
What was the impetus to this ridiculous conversation
DDY has been pushing this "Pete hates black people" and institutional bias narrative since I've been reading this site, and likely before. And we wonder how this all started? He and his cult have started a giant game of Telephone, taken to social media about it, and it's snowballing. Recruits see this shit and seeds of doubt are planted. This is self-sabotage. Ironically, this narrative was started by our own fanbase, right fucking here. Isn't that special? Somebody cut the cord.
Now that is crazy talk. Have you read the recruiting forum the last four years? How did UW even get a recruit based on that forum? Under the radar recruiting was done with it in like six weeks!! LOL
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
I think you gotta more specifically define "problem."
Negatively impacting recruiting going forward.
Ok. I would judge that on wins and losses. Fair? If Pete continues winning 10+ games a year with his current system do you see anything changing? He would say his system works and recruiting is working in that scenario.
At that point you have a decision to make. Be content with those results or fire him. He's not getting fired in that scenario (IMO).
Black people: “yeah I definitely see how OKG stuff could be construed as racist”
White people: “I don’t”
I get what you're saying and claiming. Labeling OKG as racist, though, implies that Petersen deliberately puts up standards that he believes/thinks/knows that poor black kids can't meet. I don't think that's what you actually believe. If you want to say Pete's OKG standards are biased against people from certain backgrounds I think you'd get more traction there, and I would probably agree with you on some level. Outright and intentional racism though?
Watching white people squirm is entertaining.
I appreciate you trying to help out my traction, but I'm doing fine thanks. Only white people don't understand this issue.
Great non-answer, as always. I give you credit for sticking to your guns no matter how irrational you might sound. Yes, I get it. You're black and only you can understand racism because of that fact. I should trust you when you call something racist no matter how irrational that claim may be.
DDY isn't black...
That's exactly what Dennis is communicating.
How about you message board heroes let the actually people associated with the program speak on perceived racism. Maybe our NFL players who promote the program on twitter, or Buffy Miller?
The people we WANT to become associated with the program but aren't converting are the bellwether here not the people that have been all in for years.
Smalls, Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, Jeremiah Martin, etc are saying they have a problem with our recruiting or program.
Maybe we should hear that and adapt.
Can you please expound on the things Rodgers, Scott, Phillips, Flowe, Ricks, DJ Johnson, Treshaun, and Jeremiah Martin have said about our program? I need those juicy deets.
They said they are committing to other programs.
They commit to other programs and you construe that as them saying they have a problem with UW's recruiting or program? You have got to be shitting me with that response. Get over yourself.
When does the pattern of struggling to recruit black kids become a problem for you?
If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
I think you gotta more specifically define "problem."
Negatively impacting recruiting going forward.
Ok. I would judge that on wins and losses. Fair? If Pete continues winning 10+ games a year with his current system do you see anything changing? He would say his system works and recruiting is working in that scenario.
Plateauing at our current level of success is exactly what I am afraid of.
Guys, Browning is gone, Lubick is gone, Eason/Huard are in, and arguably our best two best classes in history haven't even seen the field yet. Let it play out! Jesus Christo!
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If UW signs 6 or fewer black kids in 2020 like they did in 2019 will that be a problem?
Peterman is a racist fuckhead who only has a fetish for momma's boy light skinned grinders
Smalls said something to Ruth yesterday. I'm interested in knowing what the rest of them said about their problems with UW. And since you're just listing guys who did not commit and some who don't even have offers, why don't you tell me about the problems Justin Fields, Tua, Trevor Lawrence, and OJ Simpson had with UW also. Clearly they must have a problem with UW's program if they didn't come here.
All of this is much ado about nothing. The bottom line is the four main demographics for football talent out West are mixed-black, poly, white, and full-black. Three out of those four demographics love the built for life shit UW is selling. That means we have a pretty diverse recruiting pool to select from. Some schools like Nebraska and Wisconsin are stuck having to recruit mostly white kids. Some schools are stuck having to recruit mostly full-black kids. But UW's recruiting is way more flexible to the point the coaches don't have to worry about it and they can just recruit OKG's off all races and whoever wants to be a Dawg can be a Dawg.
This is not a problem and the "perception" is not a problem either. If some of the few full-black kids out West feel like they don't fit UW's culture that's fine, we'll replace them with the mixed-black kids who outnumber them anyways and a few African kids. That's the truth of the matter. We don't need to get a lot of them to win a national championship. In any given class, in the entire Western region of the U.S., there might only be 10 full-black football recruits who are UW caliber players. That's it. The demographics have changed that much the past 20 years. Some of them aren't OKG's and some of them just aren't interested. I expect us to get 2-3 of them per cycle. The rest will be mixed-black, poly, white, and maybe one or two Africans if we're lucky. Get used to it. It's the way it is now. The coaches can't control the demographics of the talent pool available to them.
If Pete continues winning 10+ games a year with his current system do you see anything changing? He would say his system works and recruiting is working in that scenario.
At that point you have a decision to make. Be content with those results or fire him. He's not getting fired in that scenario (IMO).