I'll speak for the oppressed minority. I absolutely love my kids. Might have another couple more.
Anytime you have a chance to pass on your toxic masculinity you have to do it.
in THIS economy??????
You must be rich.
Far from it, I'm sure I'm safely in the bottom half of HH incomes. Maybe I'll see things different later on but at this point my kids haven't been particularly expensive.
You haven't added it up, aren't counting opportunity costs, or they aren't very old. Kids cost you a fortune.
I agree that having kids is great and it's really the only thing of significance I've ever done in my life. It's also the most basic human task. Reproduce - or some retarded fucker will and the gene pool will get shallower. We don't have a shortage of people but we do have a shortage of good people.
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. One kid is out the door already and the other isn't far behind. Then I'm going to come over to their place and eat all their fucking food and drink their liquor.
Definite plenty of opportunity costs but those are very worthwhile to me.
Like I said, they're young, I'm sure it will get more expensive as they grow up. But also, we plan on not spoiling the hell out of them. Thankfully I have a wife whose a bit of a minimalist so she's on bored with not giving them everything they want.
I think a big part of the "kids are so expensive" thing is plenty of moms like to spend a shitload of money on them. Well that and child support is a bitch. Thankfully I am in neither of those situations.
This is true, however child care is a bitch. I'm guessing if yours are 3 and 4 and you aren't bitching about the costs of child care then you don't have those. It's basically another mortgage. After school care too.
The have kids young vs have kids old thing can go two ways. Have kids young, you miss more of your 20s, they may suck your money dry when you don't have much, but you hit freedom from them with more of your life left and aren't responsible for them when you're presumably earning more during the back half of your career.
Have them old, you get your party 20s but also need to save a decent amount to get the compound interest benefit, then when you're at peak earnings you're also at peak kid expenses.
#firstworldproblems
FWIW I went the have kid mid-20s, stop at 1 (snip!), wife work from home route. College is looming which looks ugly. But then I'm free and clear and hopefully not dead.
Wifey is primarily a stay at home mom (#opportunitycost). She works two days a week, one of those is my off day so I get a Daddy Day to do fun and stupid shit with them when she's not around to tell me to knock it off. So we only pay childcare one day a week, and thankfully she makes more than enough in that one day to justify it.
We could be pretty ballin if she worked full time since she makes more per hour than I do. But this way she gets to get out some, I still get to be the breadwinner and we still live comfortably enough. Our kids won't ever have the most or nicest stuff but they're going to have a much better life than most kids just by virtue of being with a parent far more often than not.
Our life isn't for everybody but it works pretty damn well for us.
You get paid by the hour? Unless you’re an attorney or a consultant, you’re not “ballin”
Actually I’m salary but I’m a numbers geek so I’ve done the work to see what that equates to per actual hours worked and to a 40 hour wage equivalent.
I'll speak for the oppressed minority. I absolutely love my kids. Might have another couple more.
Anytime you have a chance to pass on your toxic masculinity you have to do it.
in THIS economy??????
You must be rich.
Far from it, I'm sure I'm safely in the bottom half of HH incomes. Maybe I'll see things different later on but at this point my kids haven't been particularly expensive.
What?
Keeping kids locked in the basement is the only way I’d ever see “haven’t been particularly expensive”.
How many kids do you have locked in your basement?
Two kids, they're just 4 and 3. Only grandkids on wifey's side of the fam so we get the hookup from their grandparents pretty consistently.
Kids don’t suck you dry monetarily until youth sports or the teen years hit.
Pray you only have boys. Girls are ridiculously expensive.
Maybe in states where childcare isn't super expensive. Infant/toddler care is more expensive than my mortgage and the beach in Socal ain't exactly cheap for home prices.
Rents, licensing, liability, and regulatory burden have made childcare stupid expensive.
I'll speak for the oppressed minority. I absolutely love my kids. Might have another couple more.
Anytime you have a chance to pass on your toxic masculinity you have to do it.
in THIS economy??????
You must be rich.
Far from it, I'm sure I'm safely in the bottom half of HH incomes. Maybe I'll see things different later on but at this point my kids haven't been particularly expensive.
What?
Keeping kids locked in the basement is the only way I’d ever see “haven’t been particularly expensive”.
How many kids do you have locked in your basement?
Two kids, they're just 4 and 3. Only grandkids on wifey's side of the fam so we get the hookup from their grandparents pretty consistently.
Kids don’t suck you dry monetarily until youth sports or the teen years hit.
Pray you only have boys. Girls are ridiculously expensive.
Maybe in states where childcare isn't super expensive. Infant/toddler care is more expensive than my mortgage and the beach in Socal ain't exactly cheap for home prices.
Rents, licensing, liability, and regulatory burden have made childcare stupid expensive.
My wife has worked at different times but we always had single moms that couldn't afford daycare watch our kids for a tax free hourly rate. I travel 1/2 the time and when the wife used to work she sometimes had odd hours so the overpriced day cares were never an option. Worked for us. I hope Trump lets the illegals stay because they make the best housekeepers and nannys
I'll speak for the oppressed minority. I absolutely love my kids. Might have another couple more.
Anytime you have a chance to pass on your toxic masculinity you have to do it.
in THIS economy??????
You must be rich.
Far from it, I'm sure I'm safely in the bottom half of HH incomes. Maybe I'll see things different later on but at this point my kids haven't been particularly expensive.
You haven't added it up, aren't counting opportunity costs, or they aren't very old. Kids cost you a fortune.
I agree that having kids is great and it's really the only thing of significance I've ever done in my life. It's also the most basic human task. Reproduce - or some retarded fucker will and the gene pool will get shallower. We don't have a shortage of people but we do have a shortage of good people.
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. One kid is out the door already and the other isn't far behind. Then I'm going to come over to their place and eat all their fucking food and drink their liquor.
Definite plenty of opportunity costs but those are very worthwhile to me.
Like I said, they're young, I'm sure it will get more expensive as they grow up. But also, we plan on not spoiling the hell out of them. Thankfully I have a wife whose a bit of a minimalist so she's on bored with not giving them everything they want.
I think a big part of the "kids are so expensive" thing is plenty of moms like to spend a shitload of money on them. Well that and child support is a bitch. Thankfully I am in neither of those situations.
This is true, however child care is a bitch. I'm guessing if yours are 3 and 4 and you aren't bitching about the costs of child care then you don't have those. It's basically another mortgage. After school care too.
The have kids young vs have kids old thing can go two ways. Have kids young, you miss more of your 20s, they may suck your money dry when you don't have much, but you hit freedom from them with more of your life left and aren't responsible for them when you're presumably earning more during the back half of your career.
Have them old, you get your party 20s but also need to save a decent amount to get the compound interest benefit, then when you're at peak earnings you're also at peak kid expenses.
#firstworldproblems
FWIW I went the have kid mid-20s, stop at 1 (snip!), wife work from home route. College is looming which looks ugly. But then I'm free and clear and hopefully not dead.
Wifey is primarily a stay at home mom (#opportunitycost). She works two days a week, one of those is my off day so I get a Daddy Day to do fun and stupid shit with them when she's not around to tell me to knock it off. So we only pay childcare one day a week, and thankfully she makes more than enough in that one day to justify it.
We could be pretty ballin if she worked full time since she makes more per hour than I do. But this way she gets to get out some, I still get to be the breadwinner and we still live comfortably enough. Our kids won't ever have the most or nicest stuff but they're going to have a much better life than most kids just by virtue of being with a parent far more often than not.
Our life isn't for everybody but it works pretty damn well for us.
Agree
I would have loved to be a rich kid I'm not going to lie but my dad making us work for anything we wanted and being a cheap bastard did prepare me for life
We didn't even move to the brand new split level in the suburbs that all my friends did
We stayed on the mean streets of the South Capital hood in our 1920 house
TBF, the 1920 house was also brand new at the time.
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And no, we’re not ballin’.
Rents, licensing, liability, and regulatory burden have made childcare stupid expensive.
However it makes sense for a society that values productivity to give economic incentive to get educated moms back in the workforce.
Mrs lonestardawg would be a stay at home mom in the US but is looking for work in Sweden.