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Herbert's junior year was the worst year of his career as a thrower and still better than any Locker ever had rather easily.Tequilla said:
I’m not sure that’d I say that Herbert is better than Locker at this point ... but I understand where you’re going with thatGladstone said:Keeping Arroyo and forfeiting the entire season before it began. Curious strategy. Herbert is better than Locker but is cut from the same cloth. He needs to win something of consequence. Auburn is the game. So we’ll see. In duck heart of hearts they know how that game will end though.
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HillsboroDuck said:
Herbert's junior year was the worst year of his career as a thrower and still better than any Locker ever had rather easily.Tequilla said:
I’m not sure that’d I say that Herbert is better than Locker at this point ... but I understand where you’re going with thatGladstone said:Keeping Arroyo and forfeiting the entire season before it began. Curious strategy. Herbert is better than Locker but is cut from the same cloth. He needs to win something of consequence. Auburn is the game. So we’ll see. In duck heart of hearts they know how that game will end though.
Jake was a better runner butHerbert'sDurocher and Bonnell a better QB. -
I agree Oregon is overhyped and will disappoint, but using a single game as proof is FS. Oregon played like shit against Arizona. There isn’t anything more to it.StrongArmCobra said:
I just watched the fucking game earlier today. I don't give a fuck what stats were recorded or not recorded in terms of QB hurries. Sometimes those stats are not recorded. I know what the fuck I saw. Arizona was in your back field all fucking game and getting pressure on Herbert all game and knocking him to the ground. The two picks he threw were under pressure.lawsandl said:
Arizona was credited with 1 sack and zero hurries. Every time he was moved off his spot he had time to reset. Arizona moves him off his spot by blitzing on every play - they sent 5 on every play until the 4th qtr. He had a lot of clean pockets and when he didn’t he was able to side step pressure easily. The times he took a qb hit were stick routes. Herbert played his worst game.StrongArmCobra said:
What the fuck are you watching? Arizona stuffed the fuck out of your running game with an undersized D-line. Almost every time Herbert dropped back to pass he was under pressure and had to move off his spot or get rid of the ball just in time before getting sacked. He got hit at least half a dozen times after throwing the ball. He was under pressure and threw picks and inaccurate passes because of it. Pretty funny Cristobal kept him in the whole game to try to make the score more respectable and Herbert got smacked trying to run it in at the end.lawsandl said:
Lol, Herbert had all day to throw against a consistent 5 man rush. He was sacked once on a stunt by Fields and the OL gave up one negative rushing play. Capra was the culprit and he transferred out to SDSU. Also, Oregon was down Sewell, Jones got injured in the game, and Warmack wasn't a go. That game was on Herbert, the receivers and special team gaffes. Also, that might have been the worst play calling I've seen in a decade. Those are my two biggest concerns: Herbert's mental fortitude and Arroyo play calling.Gladstone said:
Justin played constipated, the play calling was unimaginative and the wide receivers couldn’t beat man coverage. The oline had three of the top grades on offense. It was not the oline play that lost that game. That is backed up with stats and people that grade for a living.
Pass pro was actually good and run blocking adequate (RBs left a lot on the table). Likewise, 23 carries wasn’t going to give them the reps or rhythm to assert themselves. Were they dominate? No. Were they the problem. Absolutely not.
All I hear is fucking excuses. They got their asses absolutely smacked by Arizona. The Arizona players were clowning them all game. I loved that little pose one of them did in the end zone. That was hilarious. I don't give a fuck about "O-line grades". Film don't lie. Oregon could not run the ball and they gave up pressure all fucking game long and Herbert shit himself. Oregon ran for 3.7 yards per carry and passed for 3.9 yards per pass. That's fucking pathetic. Your O-line is just not that good. You're seriously trying to argue it wasn't the O-line's fault they got blown out 44-15 and only averaged 3.7 yards per carry. I think Cristobal would disagree. -
Yes, that’s exactly what I am arguing. The yardage was pathetic. The reason wasn’t the OL. It’s really not that difficult of a concept.StrongArmCobra said:
I just watched the fucking game earlier today. I don't give a fuck what stats were recorded or not recorded in terms of QB hurries. Sometimes those stats are not recorded. I know what the fuck I saw. Arizona was in your back field all fucking game and getting pressure on Herbert all game and knocking him to the ground. The two picks he threw were under pressure.lawsandl said:
Arizona was credited with 1 sack and zero hurries. Every time he was moved off his spot he had time to reset. Arizona moves him off his spot by blitzing on every play - they sent 5 on every play until the 4th qtr. He had a lot of clean pockets and when he didn’t he was able to side step pressure easily. The times he took a qb hit were stick routes. Herbert played his worst game.StrongArmCobra said:
What the fuck are you watching? Arizona stuffed the fuck out of your running game with an undersized D-line. Almost every time Herbert dropped back to pass he was under pressure and had to move off his spot or get rid of the ball just in time before getting sacked. He got hit at least half a dozen times after throwing the ball. He was under pressure and threw picks and inaccurate passes because of it. Pretty funny Cristobal kept him in the whole game to try to make the score more respectable and Herbert got smacked trying to run it in at the end.lawsandl said:
Lol, Herbert had all day to throw against a consistent 5 man rush. He was sacked once on a stunt by Fields and the OL gave up one negative rushing play. Capra was the culprit and he transferred out to SDSU. Also, Oregon was down Sewell, Jones got injured in the game, and Warmack wasn't a go. That game was on Herbert, the receivers and special team gaffes. Also, that might have been the worst play calling I've seen in a decade. Those are my two biggest concerns: Herbert's mental fortitude and Arroyo play calling.Gladstone said:
Justin played constipated, the play calling was unimaginative and the wide receivers couldn’t beat man coverage. The oline had three of the top grades on offense. It was not the oline play that lost that game. That is backed up with stats and people that grade for a living.
Pass pro was actually good and run blocking adequate (RBs left a lot on the table). Likewise, 23 carries wasn’t going to give them the reps or rhythm to assert themselves. Were they dominate? No. Were they the problem. Absolutely not.
All I hear is fucking excuses. They got their asses absolutely smacked by Arizona. The Arizona players were clowning them all game. I loved that little pose one of them did in the end zone. That was hilarious. I don't give a fuck about "O-line grades". Film don't lie. Oregon could not run the ball and they gave up pressure all fucking game long and Herbert shit himself. Oregon ran for 3.7 yards per carry and passed for 3.9 yards per pass. That's fucking pathetic. Your O-line is just not that good. You're seriously trying to argue it wasn't the O-line's fault they got blown out 44-15 and only averaged 3.7 yards per carry. I think Cristobal would disagree.
Oregon stepped all over their dicks in that game...busted coverages, fumbles, ints, and terrible special teams.
Dude, Herbert threw one int. Get it straight. He was outside the pocket and there was no pressure and he under threw the ball into double coverage.
The skill play was atrocious save a couple good plays by Mitchell (he was inconsistent). Arroyo called stick routes, go routes and screen passes. No flare routes or passes in the flats until the 4 the qtr to throw behind the blitzing outside linebackers.
Also, the advantage of size on the OL comes in the 4th quarter when you’ve worn down the smaller dline. Misfiring on stick routes on 3rd and short in the first half gave the offense no rhythm or opportunity to wear down Zona.
That being said there was still some awful ball carrier vision and yards were left on the field.
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QB accuracy only matters to me if making similar throws ... completion % is just an overrated stat to me as you can have checkdown wizards who look great from a completion % standpoint but are largely ineffective as QBsHillsboroDuck said:
Herbert's junior year was the worst year of his career as a thrower and still better than any Locker ever had rather easily.Tequilla said:
I’m not sure that’d I say that Herbert is better than Locker at this point ... but I understand where you’re going with thatGladstone said:Keeping Arroyo and forfeiting the entire season before it began. Curious strategy. Herbert is better than Locker but is cut from the same cloth. He needs to win something of consequence. Auburn is the game. So we’ll see. In duck heart of hearts they know how that game will end though.
Jake was a better runner but Herbert's a better QB.
As I see it:
Herbert’s freshman year Oregon was dog shit ... similar to how UW was in Locker’s ... probably an edge to Jake here
Each were injured for large chunks of their sophomore seasons so leave those as I completed
As Juniors, Locker led a previously winless team the year prior to 5-7 with a 4-5 conference record and 2 non-conference losses in LSU and Notre Dame ... Herbert went 9-4 with 5-4 conference, 3 cupcake non-conference wins, and then a shitty bowl win ... those aren’t that different of seasons
As a Senior, Locker went 7-6 and 5-4 in conference with losses to BYU and Nebraska in non-conference. With Oregon’s schedule, a 5-4 or 6-3 conference schedule is very realistic. Point being, there’s a very good chance when we get to the end of the year that Oregon hasn’t taken a material step forward like the talking heads that are giving them the offseason Natty believe that they will
So I’m that sense, and considering Locker a better runner and not being surrounded by similar overall team talent, I think Locker vs Herbert at this point is largely a wash. -
Why compare everything to UW’s past? Sark and Locker...let it go people. Listen to Locker and Herbert talk and tell me they’re similar.Tequilla said:
QB accuracy only matters to me if making similar throws ... completion % is just an overrated stat to me as you can have checkdown wizards who look great from a completion % standpoint but are largely ineffective as QBsHillsboroDuck said:
Herbert's junior year was the worst year of his career as a thrower and still better than any Locker ever had rather easily.Tequilla said:
I’m not sure that’d I say that Herbert is better than Locker at this point ... but I understand where you’re going with thatGladstone said:Keeping Arroyo and forfeiting the entire season before it began. Curious strategy. Herbert is better than Locker but is cut from the same cloth. He needs to win something of consequence. Auburn is the game. So we’ll see. In duck heart of hearts they know how that game will end though.
Jake was a better runner but Herbert's a better QB.
As I see it:
Herbert’s freshman year Oregon was dog shit ... similar to how UW was in Locker’s ... probably an edge to Jake here
Each were injured for large chunks of their sophomore seasons so leave those as I completed
As Juniors, Locker led a previously winless team the year prior to 5-7 with a 4-5 conference record and 2 non-conference losses in LSU and Notre Dame ... Herbert went 9-4 with 5-4 conference, 3 cupcake non-conference wins, and then a shitty bowl win ... those aren’t that different of seasons
As a Senior, Locker went 7-6 and 5-4 in conference with losses to BYU and Nebraska in non-conference. With Oregon’s schedule, a 5-4 or 6-3 conference schedule is very realistic. Point being, there’s a very good chance when we get to the end of the year that Oregon hasn’t taken a material step forward like the talking heads that are giving them the offseason Natty believe that they will
So I’m that sense, and considering Locker a better runner and not being surrounded by similar overall team talent, I think Locker vs Herbert at this point is largely a wash. -
You are a fucking retard. Oregon tried to run the ball and couldn't. That is on their O-line. You want to blame everybody except the fucking O-line for not being able to run the ball against Arizona and it makes no fucking sense. Everything is a fucking excuse to avoid admitting your O-line isn't nearly as good as they are being hyped up to be. And it's not just one game. It was the same against WSU and Utah and Michigan State.lawsandl said:
Yes, that’s exactly what I am arguing. The yardage was pathetic. The reason wasn’t the OL. It’s really not that difficult of a concept.StrongArmCobra said:
I just watched the fucking game earlier today. I don't give a fuck what stats were recorded or not recorded in terms of QB hurries. Sometimes those stats are not recorded. I know what the fuck I saw. Arizona was in your back field all fucking game and getting pressure on Herbert all game and knocking him to the ground. The two picks he threw were under pressure.lawsandl said:
Arizona was credited with 1 sack and zero hurries. Every time he was moved off his spot he had time to reset. Arizona moves him off his spot by blitzing on every play - they sent 5 on every play until the 4th qtr. He had a lot of clean pockets and when he didn’t he was able to side step pressure easily. The times he took a qb hit were stick routes. Herbert played his worst game.StrongArmCobra said:
What the fuck are you watching? Arizona stuffed the fuck out of your running game with an undersized D-line. Almost every time Herbert dropped back to pass he was under pressure and had to move off his spot or get rid of the ball just in time before getting sacked. He got hit at least half a dozen times after throwing the ball. He was under pressure and threw picks and inaccurate passes because of it. Pretty funny Cristobal kept him in the whole game to try to make the score more respectable and Herbert got smacked trying to run it in at the end.lawsandl said:
Lol, Herbert had all day to throw against a consistent 5 man rush. He was sacked once on a stunt by Fields and the OL gave up one negative rushing play. Capra was the culprit and he transferred out to SDSU. Also, Oregon was down Sewell, Jones got injured in the game, and Warmack wasn't a go. That game was on Herbert, the receivers and special team gaffes. Also, that might have been the worst play calling I've seen in a decade. Those are my two biggest concerns: Herbert's mental fortitude and Arroyo play calling.Gladstone said:
Justin played constipated, the play calling was unimaginative and the wide receivers couldn’t beat man coverage. The oline had three of the top grades on offense. It was not the oline play that lost that game. That is backed up with stats and people that grade for a living.
Pass pro was actually good and run blocking adequate (RBs left a lot on the table). Likewise, 23 carries wasn’t going to give them the reps or rhythm to assert themselves. Were they dominate? No. Were they the problem. Absolutely not.
All I hear is fucking excuses. They got their asses absolutely smacked by Arizona. The Arizona players were clowning them all game. I loved that little pose one of them did in the end zone. That was hilarious. I don't give a fuck about "O-line grades". Film don't lie. Oregon could not run the ball and they gave up pressure all fucking game long and Herbert shit himself. Oregon ran for 3.7 yards per carry and passed for 3.9 yards per pass. That's fucking pathetic. Your O-line is just not that good. You're seriously trying to argue it wasn't the O-line's fault they got blown out 44-15 and only averaged 3.7 yards per carry. I think Cristobal would disagree.
Oregon stepped all over their dicks in that game...busted coverages, fumbles, ints, and terrible special teams.
Dude, Herbert threw one int. Get it straight. He was outside the pocket and there was no pressure and he under threw the ball into double coverage.
The skill play was atrocious save a couple good plays by Mitchell (he was inconsistent). Arroyo called stick routes, go routes and screen passes. No flare routes or passes in the flats until the 4 the qtr to throw behind the blitzing outside linebackers.
Also, the advantage of size on the OL comes in the 4th quarter when you’ve worn down the smaller dline. Misfiring on stick routes on 3rd and short in the first half gave the offense no rhythm or opportunity to wear down Zona.
That being said there was still some awful ball carrier vision and yards were left on the field.
Versus UW: 3.6 yards per rush
Versus Arizona: 3.7 yards per rush
Versus Utah: 3.7 yards per rush
Versus WSU: 2.4 yards per rush
Versus Michigan State: 1.4 yards per rush
I thought Cristobal was an O-line guru? I thought he wanted to run the ball down team's throats and teach the Pac-12 what big boy football is all about? I thought Oregon was SEC of the West. What the fuck is this shit? Oregon did not run the ball on anybody impressive all of last season. Where the fuck is this bullshit hype coming from that Oregon has an elite O-line? They haven't done shit. It's just based off of returning experience. Fucking run the ball down somebody's throat then you can talk. Auburn's D-line is going to smack them.
Herbert threw that pick because he was flushed out of pocket and threw the ball late. Why was he flushed out of the pocket? Because of pressure you dumb ass. -
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Ballz - if Rosengarten chooses Oregon will you be going to Hawaii for a week?StrongArmCobra said:
You are a fucking retard. Oregon tried to run the ball and couldn't. That is on their O-line. You want to blame everybody except the fucking O-line for not being able to run the ball against Arizona and it makes no fucking sense. Everything is a fucking excuse to avoid admitting your O-line isn't nearly as good as they are being hyped up to be. And it's not just one game. It was the same against WSU and Utah and Michigan State.lawsandl said:
Yes, that’s exactly what I am arguing. The yardage was pathetic. The reason wasn’t the OL. It’s really not that difficult of a concept.StrongArmCobra said:
I just watched the fucking game earlier today. I don't give a fuck what stats were recorded or not recorded in terms of QB hurries. Sometimes those stats are not recorded. I know what the fuck I saw. Arizona was in your back field all fucking game and getting pressure on Herbert all game and knocking him to the ground. The two picks he threw were under pressure.lawsandl said:
Arizona was credited with 1 sack and zero hurries. Every time he was moved off his spot he had time to reset. Arizona moves him off his spot by blitzing on every play - they sent 5 on every play until the 4th qtr. He had a lot of clean pockets and when he didn’t he was able to side step pressure easily. The times he took a qb hit were stick routes. Herbert played his worst game.StrongArmCobra said:
What the fuck are you watching? Arizona stuffed the fuck out of your running game with an undersized D-line. Almost every time Herbert dropped back to pass he was under pressure and had to move off his spot or get rid of the ball just in time before getting sacked. He got hit at least half a dozen times after throwing the ball. He was under pressure and threw picks and inaccurate passes because of it. Pretty funny Cristobal kept him in the whole game to try to make the score more respectable and Herbert got smacked trying to run it in at the end.lawsandl said:
Lol, Herbert had all day to throw against a consistent 5 man rush. He was sacked once on a stunt by Fields and the OL gave up one negative rushing play. Capra was the culprit and he transferred out to SDSU. Also, Oregon was down Sewell, Jones got injured in the game, and Warmack wasn't a go. That game was on Herbert, the receivers and special team gaffes. Also, that might have been the worst play calling I've seen in a decade. Those are my two biggest concerns: Herbert's mental fortitude and Arroyo play calling.Gladstone said:
Justin played constipated, the play calling was unimaginative and the wide receivers couldn’t beat man coverage. The oline had three of the top grades on offense. It was not the oline play that lost that game. That is backed up with stats and people that grade for a living.
Pass pro was actually good and run blocking adequate (RBs left a lot on the table). Likewise, 23 carries wasn’t going to give them the reps or rhythm to assert themselves. Were they dominate? No. Were they the problem. Absolutely not.
All I hear is fucking excuses. They got their asses absolutely smacked by Arizona. The Arizona players were clowning them all game. I loved that little pose one of them did in the end zone. That was hilarious. I don't give a fuck about "O-line grades". Film don't lie. Oregon could not run the ball and they gave up pressure all fucking game long and Herbert shit himself. Oregon ran for 3.7 yards per carry and passed for 3.9 yards per pass. That's fucking pathetic. Your O-line is just not that good. You're seriously trying to argue it wasn't the O-line's fault they got blown out 44-15 and only averaged 3.7 yards per carry. I think Cristobal would disagree.
Oregon stepped all over their dicks in that game...busted coverages, fumbles, ints, and terrible special teams.
Dude, Herbert threw one int. Get it straight. He was outside the pocket and there was no pressure and he under threw the ball into double coverage.
The skill play was atrocious save a couple good plays by Mitchell (he was inconsistent). Arroyo called stick routes, go routes and screen passes. No flare routes or passes in the flats until the 4 the qtr to throw behind the blitzing outside linebackers.
Also, the advantage of size on the OL comes in the 4th quarter when you’ve worn down the smaller dline. Misfiring on stick routes on 3rd and short in the first half gave the offense no rhythm or opportunity to wear down Zona.
That being said there was still some awful ball carrier vision and yards were left on the field.
Versus UW: 3.6 yards per rush
Versus Arizona: 3.7 yards per rush
Versus Utah: 3.7 yards per rush
Versus WSU: 2.4 yards per rush
Versus Michigan State: 1.4 yards per rush
I thought Cristobal was an O-line guru? I thought he wanted to run the ball down team's throats and teach the Pac-12 what big boy football is all about? I thought Oregon was SEC of the West. What the fuck is this shit? Oregon did not run the ball on anybody impressive all of last season. Where the fuck is this bullshit hype coming from that Oregon has an elite O-line? They haven't done shit. It's just based off of returning experience. Fucking run the ball down somebody's throat then you can talk. Auburn's D-line is going to smack them.
Herbert threw that pick because he was flushed out of pocket and threw the ball late. Why was he flushed out of the pocket? Because of pressure you dumb ass.
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