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The one appropriate use of @FirePeteQuietcowskee said:Re: Ivan
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It’s not as big a deal in the NFL because they are on their own most of the offseason with personal trainers and shit.Quietcowskee said:Re: Ivan
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Carrol got rings, while our Pete has nice win over OklahomaHillsboroDuck said: -
FirePete said:
Carrol got rings, while Boise State’s Pete has nice win over OklahomaHillsboroDuck said: -
Arizona was credited with 1 sack and zero hurries. Every time he was moved off his spot he had time to reset. Arizona moves him off his spot by blitzing on every play - they sent 5 on every play until the 4th qtr. He had a lot of clean pockets and when he didn’t he was able to side step pressure easily. The times he took a qb hit were stick routes. Herbert played his worst game.StrongArmCobra said:
What the fuck are you watching? Arizona stuffed the fuck out of your running game with an undersized D-line. Almost every time Herbert dropped back to pass he was under pressure and had to move off his spot or get rid of the ball just in time before getting sacked. He got hit at least half a dozen times after throwing the ball. He was under pressure and threw picks and inaccurate passes because of it. Pretty funny Cristobal kept him in the whole game to try to make the score more respectable and Herbert got smacked trying to run it in at the end.lawsandl said:
Lol, Herbert had all day to throw against a consistent 5 man rush. He was sacked once on a stunt by Fields and the OL gave up one negative rushing play. Capra was the culprit and he transferred out to SDSU. Also, Oregon was down Sewell, Jones got injured in the game, and Warmack wasn't a go. That game was on Herbert, the receivers and special team gaffes. Also, that might have been the worst play calling I've seen in a decade. Those are my two biggest concerns: Herbert's mental fortitude and Arroyo play calling.Gladstone said:
Justin played constipated, the play calling was unimaginative and the wide receivers couldn’t beat man coverage. The oline had three of the top grades on offense. It was not the oline play that lost that game. That is backed up with stats and people that grade for a living.
Pass pro was actually good and run blocking adequate (RBs left a lot on the table). Likewise, 23 carries wasn’t going to give them the reps or rhythm to assert themselves. Were they dominate? No. Were they the problem. Absolutely not.
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Keeping Arroyo and forfeiting the entire season before it began. Curious strategy. Herbert is better than Locker but is cut from the same cloth. He needs to win something of consequence. Auburn is the game. So we’ll see. In duck heart of hearts they know how that game will end though.
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I just watched the fucking game earlier today. I don't give a fuck what stats were recorded or not recorded in terms of QB hurries. Sometimes those stats are not recorded. I know what the fuck I saw. Arizona was in your back field all fucking game and getting pressure on Herbert all game and knocking him to the ground. The two picks he threw were under pressure.lawsandl said:
Arizona was credited with 1 sack and zero hurries. Every time he was moved off his spot he had time to reset. Arizona moves him off his spot by blitzing on every play - they sent 5 on every play until the 4th qtr. He had a lot of clean pockets and when he didn’t he was able to side step pressure easily. The times he took a qb hit were stick routes. Herbert played his worst game.StrongArmCobra said:
What the fuck are you watching? Arizona stuffed the fuck out of your running game with an undersized D-line. Almost every time Herbert dropped back to pass he was under pressure and had to move off his spot or get rid of the ball just in time before getting sacked. He got hit at least half a dozen times after throwing the ball. He was under pressure and threw picks and inaccurate passes because of it. Pretty funny Cristobal kept him in the whole game to try to make the score more respectable and Herbert got smacked trying to run it in at the end.lawsandl said:
Lol, Herbert had all day to throw against a consistent 5 man rush. He was sacked once on a stunt by Fields and the OL gave up one negative rushing play. Capra was the culprit and he transferred out to SDSU. Also, Oregon was down Sewell, Jones got injured in the game, and Warmack wasn't a go. That game was on Herbert, the receivers and special team gaffes. Also, that might have been the worst play calling I've seen in a decade. Those are my two biggest concerns: Herbert's mental fortitude and Arroyo play calling.Gladstone said:
Justin played constipated, the play calling was unimaginative and the wide receivers couldn’t beat man coverage. The oline had three of the top grades on offense. It was not the oline play that lost that game. That is backed up with stats and people that grade for a living.
Pass pro was actually good and run blocking adequate (RBs left a lot on the table). Likewise, 23 carries wasn’t going to give them the reps or rhythm to assert themselves. Were they dominate? No. Were they the problem. Absolutely not.
All I hear is fucking excuses. They got their asses absolutely smacked by Arizona. The Arizona players were clowning them all game. I loved that little pose one of them did in the end zone. That was hilarious. I don't give a fuck about "O-line grades". Film don't lie. Oregon could not run the ball and they gave up pressure all fucking game long and Herbert shit himself. Oregon ran for 3.7 yards per carry and passed for 3.9 yards per pass. That's fucking pathetic. Your O-line is just not that good. You're seriously trying to argue it wasn't the O-line's fault they got blown out 44-15 and only averaged 3.7 yards per carry. I think Cristobal would disagree. -
Spending a summer Saturday watching a replay of a meaningless football game your team didn’t even play in. Fun stuff. What a loser.StrongArmCobra said:
I just watched the fucking game earlier today. I don't give a fuck what stats were recorded or not recorded in terms of QB hurries. Sometimes those stats are not recorded. I know what the fuck I saw. Arizona was in your back field all fucking game and getting pressure on Herbert all game and knocking him to the ground. The two picks he threw were under pressure.lawsandl said:
Arizona was credited with 1 sack and zero hurries. Every time he was moved off his spot he had time to reset. Arizona moves him off his spot by blitzing on every play - they sent 5 on every play until the 4th qtr. He had a lot of clean pockets and when he didn’t he was able to side step pressure easily. The times he took a qb hit were stick routes. Herbert played his worst game.StrongArmCobra said:
What the fuck are you watching? Arizona stuffed the fuck out of your running game with an undersized D-line. Almost every time Herbert dropped back to pass he was under pressure and had to move off his spot or get rid of the ball just in time before getting sacked. He got hit at least half a dozen times after throwing the ball. He was under pressure and threw picks and inaccurate passes because of it. Pretty funny Cristobal kept him in the whole game to try to make the score more respectable and Herbert got smacked trying to run it in at the end.lawsandl said:
Lol, Herbert had all day to throw against a consistent 5 man rush. He was sacked once on a stunt by Fields and the OL gave up one negative rushing play. Capra was the culprit and he transferred out to SDSU. Also, Oregon was down Sewell, Jones got injured in the game, and Warmack wasn't a go. That game was on Herbert, the receivers and special team gaffes. Also, that might have been the worst play calling I've seen in a decade. Those are my two biggest concerns: Herbert's mental fortitude and Arroyo play calling.Gladstone said:
Justin played constipated, the play calling was unimaginative and the wide receivers couldn’t beat man coverage. The oline had three of the top grades on offense. It was not the oline play that lost that game. That is backed up with stats and people that grade for a living.
Pass pro was actually good and run blocking adequate (RBs left a lot on the table). Likewise, 23 carries wasn’t going to give them the reps or rhythm to assert themselves. Were they dominate? No. Were they the problem. Absolutely not.
All I hear is fucking excuses. They got their asses absolutely smacked by Arizona. The Arizona players were clowning them all game. I loved that little pose one of them did in the end zone. That was hilarious. I don't give a fuck about "O-line grades". Film don't lie. Oregon could not run the ball and they gave up pressure all fucking game long and Herbert shit himself. Oregon ran for 3.7 yards per carry and passed for 3.9 yards per pass. That's fucking pathetic. Your O-line is just not that good. You're seriously trying to argue it wasn't the O-line's fault they got blown out 44-15 and only averaged 3.7 yards per carry. I think Cristobal would disagree. -
I’m not sure that’d I say that Herbert is better than Locker at this point ... but I understand where you’re going with thatGladstone said:Keeping Arroyo and forfeiting the entire season before it began. Curious strategy. Herbert is better than Locker but is cut from the same cloth. He needs to win something of consequence. Auburn is the game. So we’ll see. In duck heart of hearts they know how that game will end though.
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The heaviest weight Kimmie’s ever lifted was maybe a Magnum at that damn wine store in Renton.bananasnblondes said:
More so than the asshole personality shit, it was the fucktarded approach to the job. Ivan brought in a program for guys who want to look good with their shirts off, not a program for conditioning football players. Socha posted videos a couple years ago of McGary doing 350 lb hang cleans. Ivan would have said, "Why do you have them doing that old powerlifting shit? They should be doing resistance band curls."StrongArmCobra said:
Ivan Lewis was Aaron Feld before Aaron Feld. He was a loud mouthed juice head who would walk around with no sleeves on and get recruits and players excited about UW. UW just didn't use him in as much social media marketing bullshit because social media wasn't as big back then for recruiting as it is now. Feld takes being a blowhard juice head clown to a new level. I'll give him that.lawsandl said:
I am not sure how dawgman was back then. Oregon is throwing more at the strength and conditioning program than I've ever seen in concrete ways. It was Cristobal's first hire and priority #1. He hired a head of S&C and two assistants. He got one out of Georgia, Wisconsin and Bama. That is the biggest difference I've seen with him over any other coach at Oregon.chuck said:
Fuck dude you couldn't sound more like dawgman circa 2009-2013 if you tried. Thanks for illustrating my point.lawsandl said:
There is a lot of substance behind the sizzle though. Players are buying in and doing the work. Also, there is a psychological component to the program. There’s a lot of player making gains in functional strength.chuck said:
Sark comparisons are valid in some aspects, namely the cheese dick hype fill the sleeves type nonsense. Your S&C program is a sizzling joke until proven otherwise. Husky fans are uniquely qualified to recognize it having been through five years of substanceless sizzle followed by five years of a staff that minimizes hype but gets outstanding results in that department.lawsandl said:
No one is Sark. Cristobal will have more talent and resources at disposal, he is more of a CEO type head coach, he doesn’t get tip roaring drunk, and he puts a huge emphasis on the lines and strength and conditioning.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Cristobal is Sark until proven otherwise.
Can get wins at home against good teams (Sark beat Carrol, Shaw, Petersen)
Gets blown the fuck out on the road inexplicably. That game was like the UW-ASU 2013 game. UW was a lot better than they played but still lost by 30.
Barely wins an ugly bowl game against a midwestern team (2010 Holiday Bowl vibes from the Redbox Bowl)
He did beat UW so props for that. Inexcusable performance by Petersen and Lake that game.
TBD but so far it could go either way. He might be 8-9 win Cristobal instead of 7 win Sark. I think most Oregon teams will be like 2013 UW. Good not great with some choke losses.
That's really the limit of the sark comps. His recruiting was all sizzle and controlling of the message for the doog masses to gobble up. He recruited like dog shit right under everyone's nose but used pawns like dawgman.com to convince doogs otherwise. Oregon is currently recruiting at a level Sark dreamed of at UW but never even came close to.
What made UW fans so excited about S&C under Sark? Were there tangible reasons or just talk? Sark obviously did some things right in 2009 and beyond. I, mean, that team was trash and he improved the team. I've seen both sides of the coin with Chip being all substance over style, Taggart and now Cristobal.
Cristobal talked about improving S&C and cutting down penalties in 2018. He accomplished that. Next will be playing well on the road.
How quickly you forget that Chip Kelly's teams were the best conditioned team on the field almost every game they played. Now Feld is the best Oregon's ever had after one mediocre season? Fuck you're dumb.
When your team gets blown out by undersized teams like Arizona and WSU and then ran all over by Utah last season, I don't think you should be bragging about your strength and conditioning program. But that's just me. Put together a complete season. Then you can feel good about Feld.
It was brought up around 2011 on dawgman that not a single one of our o linemen could bench over 400 lbs. Kim told everyone that football weight lifting has changed. Bench, squat, that stuff is in the past. It's all about stretching, plyometrics, and resistance now. Do you want to tell Ican how to coach weight lifting? I mean, look at those guns?
Anyways, that was all bullshit. Our offensive line kept getting pancaked. Our d linemen were either 250 lbs or 330 lbs and got pushed back into the secondary. Feld appears to be Ivan jr. based on pretty much everything we've seen.
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