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California just quit high speed rail debacle

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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,843 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    High speed rail is for Contractors, Politicians with edifice complexes and fact free Greeners void of critical thought.

    People in countries that have it really like it. It works great in areas that are a good fit. We simply don't have many of those here.
    Also, take into consideration that high speed rail in places like Europe takes you from cities that have good existing metro transportation systems to other cities that also have good metro transit systems. You don't need a car to get around in many of those places. If you're traveling from Fresno to Bakersfield what the hell are you going to do with you get there? Ride their shitty bus system? No, you're going to need a car.

    A rail that ran from LA to SF would work but the cost isn't worth it and the only way you could ever compete price wise with air travel would be to heavily subsidize the cost of ticket.

    Yeah. It's not a great fit on the west coast. The NE corridor is good and some places that are a bit farther than normal but don't have much in between like Texas just because it's relatively cheap to build.

    LA to SF is a nightmare. Tons of stuff in between. Tunnelling through mountains and shit too.
    So, why continue to hammer on 1850’s tech as a solution to our future transportation needs?
    I thought the new green flying trains wouldn't need tracks.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,949

    SFGbob said:

    High speed rail is for Contractors, Politicians with edifice complexes and fact free Greeners void of critical thought.

    People in countries that have it really like it. It works great in areas that are a good fit. We simply don't have many of those here.
    Also, take into consideration that high speed rail in places like Europe takes you from cities that have good existing metro transportation systems to other cities that also have good metro transit systems. You don't need a car to get around in many of those places. If you're traveling from Fresno to Bakersfield what the hell are you going to do with you get there? Ride their shitty bus system? No, you're going to need a car.

    A rail that ran from LA to SF would work but the cost isn't worth it and the only way you could ever compete price wise with air travel would be to heavily subsidize the cost of ticket.

    Yeah. It's not a great fit on the west coast. The NE corridor is good and some places that are a bit farther than normal but don't have much in between like Texas just because it's relatively cheap to build.

    LA to SF is a nightmare. Tons of stuff in between. Tunnelling through mountains and shit too.
    So, why continue to hammer on 1850’s tech as a solution to our future transportation needs?
    Who? It's a good option in certain places. California is not one of those places.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    edited February 2019
    Or Europe either

    The reality is that Europe’s trains are enjoyed by tourists, but they don't work that much better for Europeans than the U.S. system works for Americans. According to a report published by the European Union

    https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2018/11/01/why_passenger_trains_dont_work_in_europe_110889.html
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,949

    Or Europe either

    The reality is that Europe’s trains are enjoyed by tourists, but they don't work that much better for Europeans than the U.S. system works for Americans. According to a report published by the European Union

    https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2018/11/01/why_passenger_trains_dont_work_in_europe_110889.html

    I have a hard time believing that
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    edited February 2019
    I know. It’s OK
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    SFGbob said:

    Postal91 said:

    Wasn't Pelosi's husband, or one of those witches, get this billion dollar contract for the development? Hilarious that the California government felt they could build something. Wonder where all those funds go now... Or even if they really felt they'd be successful and simply pulled a huge money grab.

    Nah, no banana republic kind of stuff like that would happen in California!

    [Mainstream media also ignored or downplayed the serious irregularities associated with the processing of Caltrain’s grant application. The Obama FTA submitted it to Congress (as required) at the very last minute (2 days before Trump inauguration) when there is the usual chaos and confusion associated with a change in administrations. The Acting FTA Chief promoting the grant, Carolyn Flowers, took a job at AECOM – a Caltrain contractor – two weeks after submitting the grant to Congress]
    Anyone who followed the cost overruns associated with building the new Bay Bridge now knows that 3rd world level political corruption associated with the building of public works projects has come to America and is now well established in America.
    Fun anecdote, in my days working for multinationals there was a metric unofficially called "slush" that was calculated based on the costs associated with what it would take to spend on a project to make it happen given the "regulatory" burden. California was one of leaders in the world in "slush". It exceeded even such transparent countries such as Russia & South Africa.
    Yeah, that’s a fun anecdote. Did you share it with everyone at the tsio rose bowl tailgate? Your days with multinationals?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club

    SFGbob said:

    Postal91 said:

    Wasn't Pelosi's husband, or one of those witches, get this billion dollar contract for the development? Hilarious that the California government felt they could build something. Wonder where all those funds go now... Or even if they really felt they'd be successful and simply pulled a huge money grab.

    Nah, no banana republic kind of stuff like that would happen in California!

    [Mainstream media also ignored or downplayed the serious irregularities associated with the processing of Caltrain’s grant application. The Obama FTA submitted it to Congress (as required) at the very last minute (2 days before Trump inauguration) when there is the usual chaos and confusion associated with a change in administrations. The Acting FTA Chief promoting the grant, Carolyn Flowers, took a job at AECOM – a Caltrain contractor – two weeks after submitting the grant to Congress]
    Anyone who followed the cost overruns associated with building the new Bay Bridge now knows that 3rd world level political corruption associated with the building of public works projects has come to America and is now well established in America.
    Fun anecdote, in my days working for multinationals there was a metric unofficially called "slush" that was calculated based on the costs associated with what it would take to spend on a project to make it happen given the "regulatory" burden. California was one of leaders in the world in "slush". It exceeded even such transparent countries such as Russia & South Africa.
    Yeah, that’s a fun anecdote. Did you share it with everyone at the tsio rose bowl tailgate? Your days with multinationals?
    Why so bitter today?
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    SFGbob said:

    Postal91 said:

    Wasn't Pelosi's husband, or one of those witches, get this billion dollar contract for the development? Hilarious that the California government felt they could build something. Wonder where all those funds go now... Or even if they really felt they'd be successful and simply pulled a huge money grab.

    Nah, no banana republic kind of stuff like that would happen in California!

    [Mainstream media also ignored or downplayed the serious irregularities associated with the processing of Caltrain’s grant application. The Obama FTA submitted it to Congress (as required) at the very last minute (2 days before Trump inauguration) when there is the usual chaos and confusion associated with a change in administrations. The Acting FTA Chief promoting the grant, Carolyn Flowers, took a job at AECOM – a Caltrain contractor – two weeks after submitting the grant to Congress]
    Anyone who followed the cost overruns associated with building the new Bay Bridge now knows that 3rd world level political corruption associated with the building of public works projects has come to America and is now well established in America.
    Fun anecdote, in my days working for multinationals there was a metric unofficially called "slush" that was calculated based on the costs associated with what it would take to spend on a project to make it happen given the "regulatory" burden. California was one of leaders in the world in "slush". It exceeded even such transparent countries such as Russia & South Africa.
    Yeah, that’s a fun anecdote. Did you share it with everyone at the tsio rose bowl tailgate? Your days with multinationals?
    Why so bitter today?
    Fucking Valentine’s Day.
    What a waste.
    “I choo choo choose you!”
    [better selection for bullet train thread]
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club
    I sent my wife a free e card

    Hey big spender!
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,780 Swaye's Wigwam

    SFGbob said:

    Postal91 said:

    Wasn't Pelosi's husband, or one of those witches, get this billion dollar contract for the development? Hilarious that the California government felt they could build something. Wonder where all those funds go now... Or even if they really felt they'd be successful and simply pulled a huge money grab.

    Nah, no banana republic kind of stuff like that would happen in California!

    [Mainstream media also ignored or downplayed the serious irregularities associated with the processing of Caltrain’s grant application. The Obama FTA submitted it to Congress (as required) at the very last minute (2 days before Trump inauguration) when there is the usual chaos and confusion associated with a change in administrations. The Acting FTA Chief promoting the grant, Carolyn Flowers, took a job at AECOM – a Caltrain contractor – two weeks after submitting the grant to Congress]
    Anyone who followed the cost overruns associated with building the new Bay Bridge now knows that 3rd world level political corruption associated with the building of public works projects has come to America and is now well established in America.
    Fun anecdote, in my days working for multinationals there was a metric unofficially called "slush" that was calculated based on the costs associated with what it would take to spend on a project to make it happen given the "regulatory" burden. California was one of leaders in the world in "slush". It exceeded even such transparent countries such as Russia & South Africa.
    Yeah, that’s a fun anecdote. Did you share it with everyone at the tsio rose bowl tailgate? Your days with multinationals?
    Didn't see you there. Why the no show? I know @RaceBannon got a bit lost and his luxury seat started calling.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,843 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    Postal91 said:

    Wasn't Pelosi's husband, or one of those witches, get this billion dollar contract for the development? Hilarious that the California government felt they could build something. Wonder where all those funds go now... Or even if they really felt they'd be successful and simply pulled a huge money grab.

    Nah, no banana republic kind of stuff like that would happen in California!

    [Mainstream media also ignored or downplayed the serious irregularities associated with the processing of Caltrain’s grant application. The Obama FTA submitted it to Congress (as required) at the very last minute (2 days before Trump inauguration) when there is the usual chaos and confusion associated with a change in administrations. The Acting FTA Chief promoting the grant, Carolyn Flowers, took a job at AECOM – a Caltrain contractor – two weeks after submitting the grant to Congress]
    Anyone who followed the cost overruns associated with building the new Bay Bridge now knows that 3rd world level political corruption associated with the building of public works projects has come to America and is now well established in America.
    Fun anecdote, in my days working for multinationals there was a metric unofficially called "slush" that was calculated based on the costs associated with what it would take to spend on a project to make it happen given the "regulatory" burden. California was one of leaders in the world in "slush". It exceeded even such transparent countries such as Russia & South Africa.
    it's democrat run so that means more corruption than anywhere else in the world.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    I’m taking my wife out to dinner this weekend. Not tonight.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,780 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited February 2019
    New quieter supersonic aircraft are also coming to private industry and civilian use. It's going to take you longer to get through LAX's government run security than it's going to take a private airline to get you from LA to New York.

    Edit:

    https://boomsupersonic.com/
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    No security needed in an Uber drone. It lands at Target, people exchange, 30 seconds later, it's off to its next stop. Unlike fixed point transportation, each individual “carpool” route is unique.

    Unlike rail, access corridors already exist, 500 feet up, then another 500, then another 500

    10 global companies have existing flying passenger drones, today.

    choo choo.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,205

    SFGbob said:

    Postal91 said:

    Wasn't Pelosi's husband, or one of those witches, get this billion dollar contract for the development? Hilarious that the California government felt they could build something. Wonder where all those funds go now... Or even if they really felt they'd be successful and simply pulled a huge money grab.

    Nah, no banana republic kind of stuff like that would happen in California!

    [Mainstream media also ignored or downplayed the serious irregularities associated with the processing of Caltrain’s grant application. The Obama FTA submitted it to Congress (as required) at the very last minute (2 days before Trump inauguration) when there is the usual chaos and confusion associated with a change in administrations. The Acting FTA Chief promoting the grant, Carolyn Flowers, took a job at AECOM – a Caltrain contractor – two weeks after submitting the grant to Congress]
    Anyone who followed the cost overruns associated with building the new Bay Bridge now knows that 3rd world level political corruption associated with the building of public works projects has come to America and is now well established in America.
    Fun anecdote, in my days working for multinationals there was a metric unofficially called "slush" that was calculated based on the costs associated with what it would take to spend on a project to make it happen given the "regulatory" burden. California was one of leaders in the world in "slush". It exceeded even such transparent countries such as Russia & South Africa.
    California with the high speed train construction was getting pretty damn close to African level corruption, where all the money is just ripped off and the project never even gets built.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,205

    SFGbob said:

    Postal91 said:

    Wasn't Pelosi's husband, or one of those witches, get this billion dollar contract for the development? Hilarious that the California government felt they could build something. Wonder where all those funds go now... Or even if they really felt they'd be successful and simply pulled a huge money grab.

    Nah, no banana republic kind of stuff like that would happen in California!

    [Mainstream media also ignored or downplayed the serious irregularities associated with the processing of Caltrain’s grant application. The Obama FTA submitted it to Congress (as required) at the very last minute (2 days before Trump inauguration) when there is the usual chaos and confusion associated with a change in administrations. The Acting FTA Chief promoting the grant, Carolyn Flowers, took a job at AECOM – a Caltrain contractor – two weeks after submitting the grant to Congress]
    Anyone who followed the cost overruns associated with building the new Bay Bridge now knows that 3rd world level political corruption associated with the building of public works projects has come to America and is now well established in America.
    Fun anecdote, in my days working for multinationals there was a metric unofficially called "slush" that was calculated based on the costs associated with what it would take to spend on a project to make it happen given the "regulatory" burden. California was one of leaders in the world in "slush". It exceeded even such transparent countries such as Russia & South Africa.
    Yeah, that’s a fun anecdote. Did you share it with everyone at the tsio rose bowl tailgate? Your days with multinationals?
    Why so bitter today?
    Today? The guy has one mode. Mouthy ignorant asswhole.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,790 Founders Club
    Dozens of times over 30 plus years of marriage!
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