California just quit high speed rail debacle
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I wouldn’t be caught dead on it. (See what I did there?) Crime ridden. Full of meth heads, homeless and people who can’t afford to drive. Right in your wheelhouse. Not surprised you think it’s “sweet”2001400ex said:
Why am I not surprised you are too dumb to use it.MikeDamone said:
Portland’s light rail is shit.2001400ex said:
Albuquerque to Santa Fe was a waste. The West coast is too spread out for trains to make sense other than light rail stuff in town. San Diego and Portland both have a sweet setup.Pitchfork51 said:High speed rail would have been fantastic about 40 years ago.
Even though Amtrak on the easy coast isn't high speed it kicks the crap out of flying.
I think it would make sense throughout Texas first.
Not too far of distances and nothing in between the cities. That California route is a fucking nightmare.
Phoenix and Tucson actually not a bad idea.
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Also out west people are resistant to mass transportation. We still like our horse and the open range. So Cal alone is so spread out. We work Bakersfield to Mexico and LA to Palm Desert. Saddle up
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You know who liked trains?
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Horses fart so they'll all be killed for the new green dealRaceBannon said:Also out west people are resistant to mass transportation. We still like our horse and the open range. So Cal alone is so spread out. We work Bakersfield to Mexico and LA to Palm Desert. Saddle up
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Social Democrats?PurpleJ said:You know who liked trains?
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The article DDJ gave lays it out pretty well.RaceBannon said:Also out west people are resistant to mass transportation. We still like our horse and the open range. So Cal alone is so spread out. We work Bakersfield to Mexico and LA to Palm Desert. Saddle up
I think as we continue to see the move to more town square type development over the next 20 years we'll see more local fixed rail transit.
That seems to be catching on much better than politicians and sports teams trying to artificially create downtowns.
The other issues make longer distance high speed rail much more difficult. -
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. -
And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.BearsWiin said:
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. -
Shut the fuck up already2001400ex said:
And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.BearsWiin said:
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. -
This. POTDBearsWiin said:
Shut the fuck up already2001400ex said:
And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.BearsWiin said:
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. -
You fuck off. Take your bullshit pissing contest someplace where somebody gives a shit. Not here.pawz said:
This. POTDBearsWiin said:
Shut the fuck up already2001400ex said:
And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.BearsWiin said:
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. -
Huh? Long overdue for victory coitus, I see.BearsWiin said:
You fuck off. Take your bullshit pissing contest someplace where somebody gives a shit. Not here.pawz said:
This. POTDBearsWiin said:
Shut the fuck up already2001400ex said:
And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.BearsWiin said:
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it.
I'll try not to commend your efforts again. Even when the subject matter is of interest (land use & development).
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So, I need to to go to Seattle and Bellevue for a couple of meetings. I can drive there. Or I can drive to a transit station and take Tri-Met to the train station. Take me an hour. Then wait 20 minutes for the train. Assume a make believe fast train to Seattle and I'm there in a couple of hours. Mass transit to my Seattle meeting. Then mass transit to Bellevue. Then mass transit back to Seattle. Then train back to Portland. Then mass transit back to home. Net result. Hours of wasted time and more money. If trains were the future, they would be the future. They aren't. It is called capitalism. Scratch a leftist find a fascist.
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Not here?BearsWiin said:
You fuck off. Take your bullshit pissing contest someplace where somebody gives a shit. Not here.pawz said:
This. POTDBearsWiin said:
Shut the fuck up already2001400ex said:
And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.BearsWiin said:
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. -
Best use for trains is turning the rails into trails
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Bingo. Until Star Trek transporter technology becomes a reality, being able to move people and goods safely and efficiently via our current network of roads, rail, air is extremely important, and yet we keep putting off some key projects or neglect to come up with Plan Bs, Cs, and Ds.RaceBannon said:
We actually have a great transportation system for the sheer size and population of this countryDoog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
We are letting it rust in the front yard at the moment but still
Rebuilding infrastructure is another thing we've talked about for decades
And done very little of
I naively thought that given Trump’s background in construction he would’ve been more eager than most to tackle our infrastructure issues. -
I hear they are going to continue the train into the central valley. It's vital to the agricultural community. The same community whom they cut large amounts of water off to. Because it's vital to their business. Gee I've never seen a high speed freight train. Can't wait. No one wants to go to the fucking central valley.
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Maybe if Trump came out against it Congress would rush to act on infrastructureDoog_de_Jour said:
Bingo. Until Star Trek transporter technology becomes a reality, being able to move people and goods safely and efficiently via our current network of roads, rail, air is extremely important, and yet we keep putting off some key projects or neglect to come up with Plan Bs, Cs, and Ds.RaceBannon said:
We actually have a great transportation system for the sheer size and population of this countryDoog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
We are letting it rust in the front yard at the moment but still
Rebuilding infrastructure is another thing we've talked about for decades
And done very little of
I naively thought that given Trump’s background in construction he would’ve been more eager than most to tackle our infrastructure issues. -
Another business trend by the way along with robots is the remote office work from home really catching on. I can sit here in my bathrobe lobbing insults on HH instead of sitting in a car to get to an office where I can lob insults on HH
Its the most efficient fix to transportation issues. -
Skype & Video Conferencing software moves faster than trains or planes. If people weren't so retarded, in general, they'd be saving millions of hours per year of wasted commuting time.WestlinnDuck said:So, I need to to go to Seattle and Bellevue for a couple of meetings. I can drive there. Or I can drive to a transit station and take Tri-Met to the train station. Take me an hour. Then wait 20 minutes for the train. Assume a make believe fast train to Seattle and I'm there in a couple of hours. Mass transit to my Seattle meeting. Then mass transit to Bellevue. Then mass transit back to Seattle. Then train back to Portland. Then mass transit back to home. Net result. Hours of wasted time and more money. If trains were the future, they would be the future. They aren't. It is called capitalism. Scratch a leftist find a fascist.
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Bitchfork is correct. High speed rail is good for short distances. Remember a lot of the cuntries who have it are only 300 or 400 miles long. Vancouver-Seattle-Po(r)tland, DC-NY-Boston megalopolis, and something in the Midwest maybe. LA to San Fransicko is pushing it in terms of efficiency. Tucson to Phoenix might work. I hate I-10 traffic and it's only two lanes from Pinal County until Chandler. Any accident causes low i.q. rubberneckers to stare.
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Zactly THIS. The Future is Bright for those who can see it.RaceBannon said:Another business trend by the way along with robots is the remote office work from home really catching on. I can sit here in my bathrobe lobbing insults on HH instead of sitting in a car to get to an office where I can lob insults on HH
Its the most efficient fix to transportation issues. -
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FpaYoF12Rnk
First flight of Boeing’s new PAV - Passenger Air Vehicle 30 sec. vid
Boeing’s fleet is currently a 2 seat, 4 seat, 50 seat, 100 seat vertical takeoff/landing. Can land in a Target parking lot. -
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choo choo
Our current choo choo folly Virtue signaling exercise will build out 30 years... from now. -
Anything less than say 2 hour flight is pretty goodFire_Marshall_Bill said:Bitchfork is correct. High speed rail is good for short distances. Remember a lot of the cuntries who have it are only 300 or 400 miles long. Vancouver-Seattle-Po(r)tland, DC-NY-Boston megalopolis, and something in the Midwest maybe. LA to San Fransicko is pushing it in terms of efficiency. Tucson to Phoenix might work. I hate I-10 traffic and it's only two lanes from Pinal County until Chandler. Any accident causes low i.q. rubberneckers to stare.
Trains are pretty sweet. Show up like 10 mins early, get on, hit the bar cart. -
Wasn't Pelosi's husband, or one of those witches, get this billion dollar contract for the development? Hilarious that the California government felt they could build something. Wonder where all those funds go now... Or even if they really felt they'd be successful and simply pulled a huge money grab.
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Jfc.Postal91 said:Wasn't Pelosi's husband, or one of those witches, get this billion dollar contract for the development? Hilarious that the California government felt they could build something. Wonder where all those funds go now... Or even if they really felt they'd be successful and simply pulled a huge money grab.
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The first high speed rail was completed in 1964. There is nothing like 55 year old tech 85 years later!sarktastic said:choo choo
Our current choo choo folly Virtue signaling exercise will build out 30 years... from now. -
Antiquated and obsolete as you. With the same useful life. Ts&Ps bobsled.Sledog said:
The first high speed rail was completed in 1964. There is nothing like 55 year old tech 85 years later!sarktastic said:choo choo
Our current choo choo folly Virtue signaling exercise will build out 30 years... from now.
