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California just quit high speed rail debacle

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  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,992 Standard Supporter

    Heads up, Youtube as been hacked. Or maybe q13, not sure

    https://youtu.be/QnS0_4yB3Mc

    Fuck. That. Shit.

    Build walls at WA's Northern and Southern Borders.

    Fuck Liberal Portland and Double-Fuck Uber-Liberal Vancouver, BC.
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,763 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Yes and the East coast is set up for that. But West coast is too Spread out. Albuquerque is lame unless you live right next to the a station and need to go right next to a station. It takes to long when you can just drive. I've made that commute a couple hundred times in the last 10 years.
    How true (at least that part) and most vagrants/homeless do go right next to a station
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    edited February 2019
    I've ridden ALL of the trains at Magic Mountain.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,800 Swaye's Wigwam

    Fuck. That. Shit.

    Build walls at WA's Northern and Southern Borders.

    Fuck Liberal Portland and Double-Fuck Uber-Liberal Vancouver, BC.
    Lol only 20% over budget? And finished in the 2030's.
  • Doog_de_JourDoog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2019
    It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    Boeing and Airport workers don’t have a problem with it.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I've ridden the Railrunner between ABQ and SF a couple times while on a family vacations. Seems like it had good ridership when we were on it. The bathrooms smelled like the 4th Ave Taco Bell bathrooms though. Holy moses it was nasty.
    https://www.abqjournal.com/1268465/rail-ridership-continues-to-fall.html
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Portland’s light rail is shit.

    HTH.
    Why am I not surprised you are too dumb to use it.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 109,572 Founders Club

    It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080

    We actually have a great transportation system for the sheer size and population of this country

    We are letting it rust in the front yard at the moment but still

    Rebuilding infrastructure is another thing we've talked about for decades

    And done very little of
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited February 2019
    2001400ex said:

    Why am I not surprised you are too dumb to use it.
    I wouldn’t be caught dead on it. (See what I did there?) Crime ridden. Full of meth heads, homeless and people who can’t afford to drive. Right in your wheelhouse. Not surprised you think it’s “sweet”
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 109,572 Founders Club
    Also out west people are resistant to mass transportation. We still like our horse and the open range. So Cal alone is so spread out. We work Bakersfield to Mexico and LA to Palm Desert. Saddle up
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,194 Standard Supporter

    Also out west people are resistant to mass transportation. We still like our horse and the open range. So Cal alone is so spread out. We work Bakersfield to Mexico and LA to Palm Desert. Saddle up

    Horses fart so they'll all be killed for the new green deal
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,295

    Also out west people are resistant to mass transportation. We still like our horse and the open range. So Cal alone is so spread out. We work Bakersfield to Mexico and LA to Palm Desert. Saddle up

    The article DDJ gave lays it out pretty well.
    I think as we continue to see the move to more town square type development over the next 20 years we'll see more local fixed rail transit.

    That seems to be catching on much better than politicians and sports teams trying to artificially create downtowns.

    The other issues make longer distance high speed rail much more difficult.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,035

    It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080

    He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.

    Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    BearsWiin said:

    He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.

    Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it.
    And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,850 Founders Club
    BearsWiin said:

    Shut the fuck up already
    This. POTD
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