California just quit high speed rail debacle
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I wouldn’t be caught dead on it. (See what I did there?) Crime ridden. Full of meth heads, homeless and people who can’t afford to drive. Right in your wheelhouse. Not surprised you think it’s “sweet”2001400ex said:
Why am I not surprised you are too dumb to use it.MikeDamone said:
Portland’s light rail is shit.2001400ex said:
Albuquerque to Santa Fe was a waste. The West coast is too spread out for trains to make sense other than light rail stuff in town. San Diego and Portland both have a sweet setup.Pitchfork51 said:High speed rail would have been fantastic about 40 years ago.
Even though Amtrak on the easy coast isn't high speed it kicks the crap out of flying.
I think it would make sense throughout Texas first.
Not too far of distances and nothing in between the cities. That California route is a fucking nightmare.
Phoenix and Tucson actually not a bad idea.
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Also out west people are resistant to mass transportation. We still like our horse and the open range. So Cal alone is so spread out. We work Bakersfield to Mexico and LA to Palm Desert. Saddle up
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You know who liked trains?
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Horses fart so they'll all be killed for the new green dealRaceBannon said:Also out west people are resistant to mass transportation. We still like our horse and the open range. So Cal alone is so spread out. We work Bakersfield to Mexico and LA to Palm Desert. Saddle up
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Social Democrats?PurpleJ said:You know who liked trains?
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The article DDJ gave lays it out pretty well.RaceBannon said:Also out west people are resistant to mass transportation. We still like our horse and the open range. So Cal alone is so spread out. We work Bakersfield to Mexico and LA to Palm Desert. Saddle up
I think as we continue to see the move to more town square type development over the next 20 years we'll see more local fixed rail transit.
That seems to be catching on much better than politicians and sports teams trying to artificially create downtowns.
The other issues make longer distance high speed rail much more difficult. -
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. -
And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.BearsWiin said:
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. -
Shut the fuck up already2001400ex said:
And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.BearsWiin said:
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. -
This. POTDBearsWiin said:
Shut the fuck up already2001400ex said:
And here I thought we had an overbearing intrusive Government.BearsWiin said:
He omits an extremely important part of his third bullet point on Property Rights: local veto power. It isn't just property issues and eminent domain, but also every local in this country with an axe to grind can sue to hold up development of just about any large public works project. As for the high-speed rail, just the issue of which route from the Central Valley to the Bay Area, through San Jose or along the 580 corridor, came up for argument. Then, some folks in San Jose didn't like the artistic drawings of fucking overpass bridges going through the South Bay, so they sued to force the rail authority to design an overpass bridge that they liked instead. Makes it exceedingly difficult to build anything big anymore - the process gets drawn out and goes way overbudget because it's so easy to pursue legal action.Doog_de_Jour said:It never ceases to amaze me how other industrialized countries kick our ass in terms of transportation (mass or otherwise). If fucking Uzbekistan can figure out high speed rail, so should we.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/03/11/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-high-speed-bullet-trains-like-europe-and-asia/#329a89fbc080
Did a bit of work in grad school on why some countries like France and Japan have robust nuclear facilities and infrastructure and the US doesn't, and the big reason was local veto power and nimbyism is much stronger in the US than elsewhere; in other countries, the govt. makes a decision and says we're building it, you can complain all you want, but in five years you'll wonder how you ever lived without it.
