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  • Fenderbender123
    Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989
    Biggest woosh of all time?
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  • Domicillo
    Domicillo Member Posts: 3,025
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Coker and Dennis are obsessed with recruiting. I genuinely believe they get more excited about a commitment from a big prospect than actual wins.

    My only complaint is when they say things like, “We are paying for our past sins in recruiting” after we lose to Oregon. Having more good players would help, but that game was more than winnable with our current roster. Same for Cal. We should have won those games with our roster exactly how it is.

    That said, they know coaching is just as important. You can’t win big with great coaching if you don’t have the horses. You can have the horses and if your coaching is shitty, you won’t win either.

    Would any of you be on this topic of BDTW wasn’t going to be up and running soon? These are Husky Football message boards to dick around on. It’s not that serious.

    I care about UW Football, which also means I care about UW recruiting. If there wasnt a message board out there it wouldn’t mean I’d care about any of it any less, I’d just have less people to talk about it with.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    HillsboroDuck said:

    BTW if you pull Jalen Hall out of Oregon's class from last year you get 45 commits included in the numbers at an average of 89.945 per recruit. UW has 40 commits in the calculus at an average of 89.975 per recruit.

    The difference is marginal and I'm not going to beat my chest over it but UW has outrecruited Oregon per the composite over the Cristobal era (and those numbers would slant even more to UW if you just looked at 247).

    TL;DR Cristobal has not outrecruited Pete.

    5>15
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    “Imagine if Oklahoma had the year they had this year and then signed the 5th best class in their conference.”
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    RaceBannon said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    BTW if you pull Jalen Hall out of Oregon's class from last year you get 45 commits included in the numbers at an average of 89.945 per recruit. UW has 40 commits in the calculus at an average of 89.975 per recruit.

    The difference is marginal and I'm not going to beat my chest over it but UW has outrecruited Oregon per the composite over the Cristobal era (and those numbers would slant even more to UW if you just looked at 247).

    TL;DR Cristobal has not outrecruited Pete.

    5>15
    Congrats on finding numbers that have literally nothing to do with either Oregon or UW's rankings.

    Good job, good effort.
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    RatherBeBrewing said:

    HillsboroDuck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Back to my point

    Cristobal has out recruited Pete twice and is 1-0 on the field against him

    Petersen and his elite coaching found 4 losses this year. Has yet to win at Stanford. Now has USC back on the schedule.

    It was fun to win the Pac 8 at 7-4 in 1977 because WE FUCKING BEAT A MORE TALENTED MICHIGAN IN THE ROSE BOWL

    Its not fun to win this Pac 12 and get curb stomped. Better than not winning but I'm just going by what the recruitnix claim

    We did not lack the talent to take it to Ohio State from the opening whistle or beat Cal

    Its not the coordinator, its not the kids, its the coach who is responsible for all of it

    If you want to crown his ass then crown it. But we let everyone off the hook

    Nice job on Ngata by the way. Level up gang!!!!!!

    I don't buy the "Cristobal has outrecruited Pete twice" claim, at all. Last year Oregon finished 3 spots ahead of us while signing 4 more kids. Our 247 Composite average was 90.21 to their 89.18. And that's a) with Eason not counting towards it b) with Kaho already taken out (as long as Oregon's losses and adds).

    We had an easily better class last year than Oregon did.

    I wouldn't trade classes with them this year but at least there's an argument this time around. The only areas they far exceed us at this year are a) WRs with a bunch of kids we turned down (debatable if that was the right call) b) secondary where I trust the hell out of Jimmy Lake c) edge rushers which they always kill us in but we actually had a good edge rusher class for once so you could definitely argue we improved there more than they did.

    I'd take our class over theirs for what we needed. I'm sure an Oregon fan would say the same thing.

    They can legitimately claim a better class this year based on rankings. They can't do that last year.

    Edit: For some reason that average for Oregon still includes Jalen Hall (their 3rd highest recruit last year), so the gap for UW is even bigger than listed above.

    We had a better class last year than Oregon did.
    I don't disagree with your poonts, but I'm not really crediting Cristobal for last year's recruiting class. It was holding on to Taggart's and David Kelley's guys while bringing in Sewell, whiffing on Devon Williams, and taking a flier on a future resident of San Quentin. It's borderline amazing we didn't get fucked for every teen boy considering the circumstances.

    As for this year, it's a toss-up on who has the better class. I like Washington's DT haul, would love to have Bandes or Tuitele. But very different needs. We needed as many non-stiffs as we could get. Need to replace Helf's shit platter and Taggart's band of USF kids we should never have fucking wasted scholarships and exclusive Jordans on. Absolutely embarrassing group of skill players.

    Next cycle will tell us more about what each coach is doing. Lots of high end kids on the West Coast. Alabama, LSU and other places that care about football will offer the finest HEMIs and poach some. But while Clay Helton is eating lead paint and Chip Kelly is busy smelling his farts both of our programs need to feast.
    Agree with all this but your last statement rings very true. There appear to be two programs on the west coast serious about football right now, those two better damn well pull monster classes next year (and in our case at least, 2021) or you can go ahead and officially hold the Pac a funeral.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    Last I checked on early signing day those were the ranks

    Just because your argument requires the suspension of disbelief and ignoring those numbers is not my problem

    Cristobal has out recruited Pete. EVERYONE says so
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    edited January 2019
    RaceBannon said:

    Last I checked on early signing day those were the ranks

    Just because your argument requires the suspension of disbelief and ignoring those numbers is not my problem

    Cristobal has out recruited Pete. EVERYONE says so

    Everyone does not say he outrecuited Pete last year. 247 has UW at 13 and Oregon at 17 and that's before you 86 Hall from Oregon's class.

    You claimed Mario has outrecruited Pete twice already. No suspension of disbelief required to see that you were wrong.

    hth
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    I would say a new coach coming in off the heels of Taggert's ride getting an even class with the established Petersen doesn't bode will for recruiting ourselves to the top

    In fact this year only solidifies that though

    Oregon loves to recruit. Maybe a franchise recruiting website for the ducks would work.

    I think we fell behind USC as well this year as they recruited some "wide outs" whatever they are
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046
    RaceBannon said:

    I would say a new coach coming in off the heels of Taggert's ride getting an even class with the established Petersen doesn't bode will for recruiting ourselves to the top

    In fact this year only solidifies that though

    Oregon loves to recruit. Maybe a franchise recruiting website for the ducks would work.

    I think we fell behind USC as well this year as they recruited some "wide outs" whatever they are

    This. It would have been a miracle if they'd gotten a couple of geriatrics like Race and me to sign with them last year.

    If Cristoballin' has any success on the field there, he could wind up bringing in a lot of talent to the Youjeen.
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I would say a new coach coming in off the heels of Taggert's ride getting an even class with the established Petersen doesn't bode will for recruiting ourselves to the top

    In fact this year only solidifies that though

    Oregon loves to recruit. Maybe a franchise recruiting website for the ducks would work.

    I think we fell behind USC as well this year as they recruited some "wide outs" whatever they are

    This. It would have been a miracle if they'd gotten a couple of geriatrics like Race and me to sign with them last year.

    If Cristoballin' has any success on the field there, he could wind up bringing in a lot of talent to the Youjeen.
    Your incessant sucking off of Cristobol has gotten to the point where it’s pathetic.
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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    False premise post. False premise poster.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,887 Founders Club
    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    False premise post. False premise poster.

    Not really. USC just took our wide outs. Oregon beat us on signing day and got our pass rushers

    How long do we wait to dominate recruiting so our elite coach can win a Bowl game?
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  • HillsboroDuck
    HillsboroDuck Member Posts: 9,186
    RaceBannon said:

    Dennis_DeYoung said:

    False premise post. False premise poster.

    Not really. USC just took our wide outs. Oregon beat us on signing day and got our pass rushers

    How long do we wait to dominate recruiting so our elite coach can win a Bowl game?
    Wut?
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  • WRDawg
    WRDawg Member Posts: 58
    All of this is moot... we were the better team on the field despite the result. Oregon has out recruited Washington for the last decade pretty much. Pete has done more with less, but our good hasn't been good enough! Poor crunch time decisions by coach and a lackadaisical noodle arm leading the charge
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    WRDawg said:

    All of this is moot... we were the better team on the field despite the result. Oregon has out recruited Washington for the last decade pretty much. Pete has done more with less, but our good hasn't been good enough! Poor crunch time decisions by coach and a lackadaisical noodle arm leading the charge

    The better team wins the game. HTH
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  • WRDawg
    WRDawg Member Posts: 58
    Hence the comments on coaching & QB...I may be new to the board, but not college football!

    Doog logic,
    Purdue is better than Ohio State, because they won the game? HTH
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    HillsboroDuck said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Oregon will rule the Pac 12 not UW

    This is not true.

    The claim (at least from DDY/Coker) is not that recruiting is all that matters. The claim is that recruiting and coaching both matter, and since we now have elite coaching we are just elite recruiting away from legitimate contention.

    It's not a particularly chinsightful or revolutionary claim, they just have to keep making it because people seem to keep missing the point.

    Oregon doesn't have elite coaching. They aren't going to be better than us.
    We don't know that yet. Cristobal beat us this year. Wait until he gets his own guys in there!
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