The "system" that is making the poor, poorer in America
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That's the right idea. Sometimes just a well placed check for a couple grand will get someone who is working through a tough time or until they get another joballpurpleallgold said:
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
Universal income sounds permanent to me. Unemployment covered everything but the rent which we got from family. And I was clean and sober for 6 months for the first time since I was 14. Couldn't afford it.
I had a landlord that worked with me after I went back to work
One size doesn't fit all. I like the micro fund approach to actually help people
After going through a few hoops for a couple hundred bucks a month I walked away and said fuck it.
We need to write checks and save on the overhead and give people a hand. If they abuse it fuck them but don't go in assuming they will -
Not talking about jobsMikeDamone said:
But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?RaceBannon said:
We're all Americans MikeMikeDamone said:
We?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
But we pay 25 an hour minimum -
Answer the questionRaceBannon said:
Not talking about jobsMikeDamone said:
But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?RaceBannon said:
We're all Americans MikeMikeDamone said:
We?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
But we pay 25 an hour minimum -
That's the answerMikeDamone said:
Answer the questionRaceBannon said:
Not talking about jobsMikeDamone said:
But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?RaceBannon said:
We're all Americans MikeMikeDamone said:
We?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
But we pay 25 an hour minimum -
That’s what I thoughtRaceBannon said:
That's the answerMikeDamone said:
Answer the questionRaceBannon said:
Not talking about jobsMikeDamone said:
But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?RaceBannon said:
We're all Americans MikeMikeDamone said:
We?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
But we pay 25 an hour minimum -
Let me get this straight. You are complaining about food stamps (Or whatever welfare you are referring to here) being to hard to get?RaceBannon said:
That's the right idea. Sometimes just a well placed check for a couple grand will get someone who is working through a tough time or until they get another joballpurpleallgold said:
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
Universal income sounds permanent to me. Unemployment covered everything but the rent which we got from family. And I was clean and sober for 6 months for the first time since I was 14. Couldn't afford it.
I had a landlord that worked with me after I went back to work
One size doesn't fit all. I like the micro fund approach to actually help people
After going through a few hoops for a couple hundred bucks a month I walked away and said fuck it.
We need to write checks and save on the overhead and give people a hand. If they abuse it fuck them but don't go in assuming they will -
That chart explains exactly what I'm talking about. (The chart where it shows you make over a certain income and you lose benefits so you can't afford to make that much money). Yet you clearly can't even discuss that point or make sense of it in relation to keeping the poor people poor. I said it, and you can't see anything other than I'm wrong. Even when it's right in front of you.SFGbob said:The chart explains that you’re a lying dumbfuck?
Oh and Mr. reading comprehension the numbers where never for an individual or a “person” they were always for a family of four. And your claim was that the “system” makes the poor poorer, not that they are “encouraged” to stay poor or that the don’t have the ability to build wealth you lying worthless piece of shit. -
I’m more than happy to discuss the fact that you put your head up you ass and have been dancing like a fucking jackass ever since. There is no “system” in this country that makes poor people poorer.
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Yet you see it right in that chart.SFGbob said:I’m more than happy to discuss the fact that you put your head up you ass and have been dancing like a fucking jackass ever since. There is no “system” in this country that makes poor people poorer.
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If there were no welfare "system" would the poor person have more or less money Hondo? Mother of 3, minimum wage job earning $25K a year. According to you the "system" makes them poorer. While the reality is that the assistance they get from the "system" gives them the purchasing power of someone earning $60k a year. You're talking straight your ass and you been lying your ass off in this thread for two days now.
The chart doesn't say that the "system" makes anyone poor you lying sack of shit.
It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality -
How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?allpurpleallgold said:
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
How about universal earn your own Shit? -
So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.Sledog said:
How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?allpurpleallgold said:
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
How about universal earn your own Shit? -
Fuck that. @RaceBannon will never have to pay anything.allpurpleallgold said:
So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.Sledog said:
How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?allpurpleallgold said:
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
How about universal earn your own Shit?
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Because what you've worked for and earned over your entire life doesn't really belong to you, it belongs to the state and they just loan it to you during your lifetime.allpurpleallgold said:
So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.Sledog said:
How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?allpurpleallgold said:
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
How about universal earn your own Shit? -
Because people won’t offshore all their money and assets. You know, because of the good of the collective.allpurpleallgold said:
So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.Sledog said:
How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?allpurpleallgold said:
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
How about universal earn your own Shit? -
Another socialist speaks. That's not your money. Fuck off.allpurpleallgold said:
So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.Sledog said:
How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?allpurpleallgold said:
What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?RaceBannon said:
Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pureallpurpleallgold said:
In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.RaceBannon said:
Welfare needs to be more efficientallpurpleallgold said:Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
We could pay people more and probably get cuts too
But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
How about universal earn your own Shit? -
So poor people need to earn their own shit but if you were born to rich parents you’re free to just inherit money that isn’t yours. In the thread about how the system isn’t rigged. El oh el.
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Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
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And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.RaceBannon said:Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
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The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?allpurpleallgold said:
And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.RaceBannon said:Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
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I agreeallpurpleallgold said:
And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.RaceBannon said:Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
We are into semanticals at this point
Is the system rigged if it favors those born into a better situation than those who aren't, because that is a true statement
But the system also allows the one born in a bad situation to escape it and succeed while the rich kid is in rehab being a useless piece of shit
Throughout history blood or family has been the #1 determination of being rich
America was founded to contrast with that royal philosophy because they left Europe to escape it
We just need more time to get our own people in here
In communism if your parents were in the party you had a better life. -
Would it make you feel better if we said "keep people poor" rather than "make poor people poorer"?SFGbob said:
The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?allpurpleallgold said:
And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.RaceBannon said:Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
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Why would you feel it would make me feel better for you to make another statement that you pull straight out of your ass Hondo.2001400ex said:
Would it make you feel better if we said "keep people poor" rather than "make poor people poorer"?SFGbob said:
The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?allpurpleallgold said:
And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.RaceBannon said:Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
Nobody is being kept poor or made poor by any "system" in America. Overwhelmingly people are made poor and kept poor on account of their own behavior not because of any "system" but I can understand why a public teat parasite like yourself would want to comfort themselves with the belief that it's not your fault. -
Why do you talk down on poor people as if they are lesser people than you? It's something you do constantly. Just like you assume dark skinned folk in the ER are illegal.SFGbob said:
Why would you feel it would make me feel better for you to make another statement that you pull straight out of your ass Hondo.2001400ex said:
Would it make you feel better if we said "keep people poor" rather than "make poor people poorer"?SFGbob said:
The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?allpurpleallgold said:
And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.RaceBannon said:Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
Nobody is being kept poor or made poor by any "system" in America. Overwhelmingly people are made poor and kept poor on account of their own behavior not because of any "system" but I can understand why a public teat parasite like yourself would want to comfort themselves with the belief that it's not your fault.
That being said, look at the chart by doogbot. That you agreed with. There's evidence right there that there's incentive for poor people to not make over a certain income level. What do you think that means? -
Why do you keep talking about how you like sucking dick?2001400ex said:
Why do you talk down on poor people as if they are lesser people than you? It's something you do constantly. Just like you assume dark skinned folk in the ER are illegal.SFGbob said:
Why would you feel it would make me feel better for you to make another statement that you pull straight out of your ass Hondo.2001400ex said:
Would it make you feel better if we said "keep people poor" rather than "make poor people poorer"?SFGbob said:
The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?allpurpleallgold said:
And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.RaceBannon said:Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
Nobody is being kept poor or made poor by any "system" in America. Overwhelmingly people are made poor and kept poor on account of their own behavior not because of any "system" but I can understand why a public teat parasite like yourself would want to comfort themselves with the belief that it's not your fault.
That being said, look at the chart by doogbot. That you agreed with. There's evidence right there that there's incentive for poor people to not make over a certain income level. What do you think that means?
There may or may not be incentive for people not to make more than a certain income. There is no system that make them poorer. -
How does a "system" that pays for your food, that pays for your healthcare, that pays for your childcare and pays for your housing make your poorer?
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Instead of rigged, would saying the playing field is tilted to far in favor of the rich be better? I’m not saying that would make everyone in this thread agree but it definitely feels like we’re getting stuck on the word rigged.RaceBannon said:
I agreeallpurpleallgold said:
And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.RaceBannon said:Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
We are into semanticals at this point
Is the system rigged if it favors those born into a better situation than those who aren't, because that is a true statement
But the system also allows the one born in a bad situation to escape it and succeed while the rich kid is in rehab being a useless piece of shit
Throughout history blood or family has been the #1 determination of being rich
America was founded to contrast with that royal philosophy because they left Europe to escape it
We just need more time to get our own people in here
In communism if your parents were in the party you had a better life. -
Of course the playing field is tilted in favor of the rich, always has been always will be. Rich people get to live in bigger houses, drive nicer cars and take better vacations than most of us. Who is denying that?
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Obviously not.SFGbob said:Of course the playing field is tilted in favor of the rich, always has been always will be. Rich people get to live in bigger houses, drive nicer cars and take better vacations than most of us. Who is denying that?
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Yesallpurpleallgold said:
Instead of rigged, would saying the playing field is tilted to far in favor of the rich be better? I’m not saying that would make everyone in this thread agree but it definitely feels like we’re getting stuck on the word rigged.RaceBannon said:
I agreeallpurpleallgold said:
And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.RaceBannon said:Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens
We are into semanticals at this point
Is the system rigged if it favors those born into a better situation than those who aren't, because that is a true statement
But the system also allows the one born in a bad situation to escape it and succeed while the rich kid is in rehab being a useless piece of shit
Throughout history blood or family has been the #1 determination of being rich
America was founded to contrast with that royal philosophy because they left Europe to escape it
We just need more time to get our own people in here
In communism if your parents were in the party you had a better life.