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The "system" that is making the poor, poorer in America

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,156 Founders Club
    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
    That's the right idea. Sometimes just a well placed check for a couple grand will get someone who is working through a tough time or until they get another job

    Universal income sounds permanent to me. Unemployment covered everything but the rent which we got from family. And I was clean and sober for 6 months for the first time since I was 14. Couldn't afford it.

    I had a landlord that worked with me after I went back to work

    One size doesn't fit all. I like the micro fund approach to actually help people

    After going through a few hoops for a couple hundred bucks a month I walked away and said fuck it.

    We need to write checks and save on the overhead and give people a hand. If they abuse it fuck them but don't go in assuming they will
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,156 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    We?
    We're all Americans Mike
    But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?
    Not talking about jobs

    But we pay 25 an hour minimum
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    We?
    We're all Americans Mike
    But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?
    Not talking about jobs

    But we pay 25 an hour minimum
    Answer the question
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,156 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    We?
    We're all Americans Mike
    But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?
    Not talking about jobs

    But we pay 25 an hour minimum
    Answer the question
    That's the answer
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MikeDamone said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    We?
    We're all Americans Mike
    But how do “we” pay people more? Are you upping your pay for workers tomorrow?
    Not talking about jobs

    But we pay 25 an hour minimum
    Answer the question
    That's the answer
    That’s what I thought
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
    That's the right idea. Sometimes just a well placed check for a couple grand will get someone who is working through a tough time or until they get another job

    Universal income sounds permanent to me. Unemployment covered everything but the rent which we got from family. And I was clean and sober for 6 months for the first time since I was 14. Couldn't afford it.

    I had a landlord that worked with me after I went back to work

    One size doesn't fit all. I like the micro fund approach to actually help people

    After going through a few hoops for a couple hundred bucks a month I walked away and said fuck it.

    We need to write checks and save on the overhead and give people a hand. If they abuse it fuck them but don't go in assuming they will
    Let me get this straight. You are complaining about food stamps (Or whatever welfare you are referring to here) being to hard to get?
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    The chart explains that you’re a lying dumbfuck?

    Oh and Mr. reading comprehension the numbers where never for an individual or a “person” they were always for a family of four. And your claim was that the “system” makes the poor poorer, not that they are “encouraged” to stay poor or that the don’t have the ability to build wealth you lying worthless piece of shit.

    That chart explains exactly what I'm talking about. (The chart where it shows you make over a certain income and you lose benefits so you can't afford to make that much money). Yet you clearly can't even discuss that point or make sense of it in relation to keeping the poor people poor. I said it, and you can't see anything other than I'm wrong. Even when it's right in front of you.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    I’m more than happy to discuss the fact that you put your head up you ass and have been dancing like a fucking jackass ever since. There is no “system” in this country that makes poor people poorer.

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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    I’m more than happy to discuss the fact that you put your head up you ass and have been dancing like a fucking jackass ever since. There is no “system” in this country that makes poor people poorer.

    Yet you see it right in that chart.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    If there were no welfare "system" would the poor person have more or less money Hondo? Mother of 3, minimum wage job earning $25K a year. According to you the "system" makes them poorer. While the reality is that the assistance they get from the "system" gives them the purchasing power of someone earning $60k a year. You're talking straight your ass and you been lying your ass off in this thread for two days now.

    The chart doesn't say that the "system" makes anyone poor you lying sack of shit.

    It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,875 Standard Supporter
    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
    How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?

    How about universal earn your own Shit?
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
    How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?

    How about universal earn your own Shit?
    So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,136 Standard Supporter
    allpurpleallgold said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
    How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?

    How about universal earn your own Shit?
    So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.
    Fuck that. @RaceBannon will never have to pay anything.

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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    allpurpleallgold said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
    How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?

    How about universal earn your own Shit?
    So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.
    Because what you've worked for and earned over your entire life doesn't really belong to you, it belongs to the state and they just loan it to you during your lifetime.
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  • USMChawk
    USMChawk Member Posts: 1,800
    allpurpleallgold said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
    How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?

    How about universal earn your own Shit?
    So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.
    Because people won’t offshore all their money and assets. You know, because of the good of the collective.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,875 Standard Supporter
    allpurpleallgold said:

    Sledog said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    Wild guess, that 60k number includes debt.

    Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.

    Welfare needs to be more efficient

    Kind of sucks now
    In theory I’d be on board with that. My concern is that you can hide behind “more efficient” when you really just want cuts.
    Having been in touch with the system more recently than anyone here my motives are pure

    We could pay people more and probably get cuts too

    But we need to get more cash in the hands of people that need it
    What about replacing welfare programs with universal basic income?
    How about you just give all your Shit? As a socialist just how much of your Shit have you given away?

    How about universal earn your own Shit?
    So let’s raise the death tax rate to 100% and use that money for a federal jobs program.
    Another socialist speaks. That's not your money. Fuck off.
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    So poor people need to earn their own shit but if you were born to rich parents you’re free to just inherit money that isn’t yours. In the thread about how the system isn’t rigged. El oh el.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,156 Founders Club
    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    RaceBannon said:

    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

    And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

    And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.
    The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,156 Founders Club
    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

    And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.
    I agree

    We are into semanticals at this point

    Is the system rigged if it favors those born into a better situation than those who aren't, because that is a true statement

    But the system also allows the one born in a bad situation to escape it and succeed while the rich kid is in rehab being a useless piece of shit

    Throughout history blood or family has been the #1 determination of being rich

    America was founded to contrast with that royal philosophy because they left Europe to escape it

    We just need more time to get our own people in here

    In communism if your parents were in the party you had a better life.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

    And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.
    The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?
    Would it make you feel better if we said "keep people poor" rather than "make poor people poorer"?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

    And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.
    The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?
    Would it make you feel better if we said "keep people poor" rather than "make poor people poorer"?
    Why would you feel it would make me feel better for you to make another statement that you pull straight out of your ass Hondo.

    Nobody is being kept poor or made poor by any "system" in America. Overwhelmingly people are made poor and kept poor on account of their own behavior not because of any "system" but I can understand why a public teat parasite like yourself would want to comfort themselves with the belief that it's not your fault.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

    And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.
    The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?
    Would it make you feel better if we said "keep people poor" rather than "make poor people poorer"?
    Why would you feel it would make me feel better for you to make another statement that you pull straight out of your ass Hondo.

    Nobody is being kept poor or made poor by any "system" in America. Overwhelmingly people are made poor and kept poor on account of their own behavior not because of any "system" but I can understand why a public teat parasite like yourself would want to comfort themselves with the belief that it's not your fault.
    Why do you talk down on poor people as if they are lesser people than you? It's something you do constantly. Just like you assume dark skinned folk in the ER are illegal.

    That being said, look at the chart by doogbot. That you agreed with. There's evidence right there that there's incentive for poor people to not make over a certain income level. What do you think that means?
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited November 2018
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

    And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.
    The system isn't rigged to make poor, people poorer. Is there something genetic in liberals that makes them into dishonest Kunts?
    Would it make you feel better if we said "keep people poor" rather than "make poor people poorer"?
    Why would you feel it would make me feel better for you to make another statement that you pull straight out of your ass Hondo.

    Nobody is being kept poor or made poor by any "system" in America. Overwhelmingly people are made poor and kept poor on account of their own behavior not because of any "system" but I can understand why a public teat parasite like yourself would want to comfort themselves with the belief that it's not your fault.
    Why do you talk down on poor people as if they are lesser people than you? It's something you do constantly. Just like you assume dark skinned folk in the ER are illegal.

    That being said, look at the chart by doogbot. That you agreed with. There's evidence right there that there's incentive for poor people to not make over a certain income level. What do you think that means?
    Why do you keep talking about how you like sucking dick?

    There may or may not be incentive for people not to make more than a certain income. There is no system that make them poorer.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    How does a "system" that pays for your food, that pays for your healthcare, that pays for your childcare and pays for your housing make your poorer?
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

    And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.
    I agree

    We are into semanticals at this point

    Is the system rigged if it favors those born into a better situation than those who aren't, because that is a true statement

    But the system also allows the one born in a bad situation to escape it and succeed while the rich kid is in rehab being a useless piece of shit

    Throughout history blood or family has been the #1 determination of being rich

    America was founded to contrast with that royal philosophy because they left Europe to escape it

    We just need more time to get our own people in here

    In communism if your parents were in the party you had a better life.
    Instead of rigged, would saying the playing field is tilted to far in favor of the rich be better? I’m not saying that would make everyone in this thread agree but it definitely feels like we’re getting stuck on the word rigged.
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Of course the playing field is tilted in favor of the rich, always has been always will be. Rich people get to live in bigger houses, drive nicer cars and take better vacations than most of us. Who is denying that?
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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    SFGbob said:

    Of course the playing field is tilted in favor of the rich, always has been always will be. Rich people get to live in bigger houses, drive nicer cars and take better vacations than most of us. Who is denying that?

    Obviously not.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,156 Founders Club
    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    allpurpleallgold said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Parents work hard to leave something to their kids. Not me, but I have heard it happens

    And I’m fine with that statement alone. But “earn your own shit, unless you happened to be born rich and the system isn’t rigged” doesn’t add up.
    I agree

    We are into semanticals at this point

    Is the system rigged if it favors those born into a better situation than those who aren't, because that is a true statement

    But the system also allows the one born in a bad situation to escape it and succeed while the rich kid is in rehab being a useless piece of shit

    Throughout history blood or family has been the #1 determination of being rich

    America was founded to contrast with that royal philosophy because they left Europe to escape it

    We just need more time to get our own people in here

    In communism if your parents were in the party you had a better life.
    Instead of rigged, would saying the playing field is tilted to far in favor of the rich be better? I’m not saying that would make everyone in this thread agree but it definitely feels like we’re getting stuck on the word rigged.
    Yes
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