And of course Hondo's claim that the "system" makes poor people poorer continues to be unsupported by anything other than his worthless opinion and he provides no links in support of that bullshit while he demands links that he doesn't even read.
See you can provide a link. It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality. They spend more than they make, but no way it's $60k.
Yet that number was reported by the poor themselves.
The fact is, when the very same households that the federal government considers to be poor are questioned, they report roughly $2.40 in spending for every $1 of income that Census says they have. So that family of four earning $25,000 is likely consuming as much as $60,000 a year in goods and services.
If you click on the source material for that article (linked below) you’ll see a great analysis of how the poverty line is determined by income level, only, and does not account for the increased welfare benefits. That is the entire argument about an income level based poverty line vs a consumption based poverty line. The latter accounts for the social benefits they receive as is a truer indicator of their overall situation.
That is worthwhile discussion. You are much better about this than Bob. I'll look through this link later this evening. I browsed it but don't have time to roll through it.
See you can provide a link. It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality. They spend more than they make, but no way it's $60k.
Yet that number was reported by the poor themselves.
The fact is, when the very same households that the federal government considers to be poor are questioned, they report roughly $2.40 in spending for every $1 of income that Census says they have. So that family of four earning $25,000 is likely consuming as much as $60,000 a year in goods and services.
If you click on the source material for that article (linked below) you’ll see a great analysis of how the poverty line is determined by income level, only, and does not account for the increased welfare benefits. That is the entire argument about an income level based poverty line vs a consumption based poverty line. The latter accounts for the social benefits they receive as is a truer indicator of their overall situation.
That is worthwhile discussion. You are much better about this than Bob. I'll look through this link later this evening. I browsed it but don't have time to roll through it.
Hondo "knows" that the numbers aren't accurate without ever looking them but he'll look at them later tonight and get back to us.
Is there a bigger worthless Kunt here on this board?
It is useless to try and explain basic economics to Hondo guys. You are just going to spin in circles and wear yourselves out. He is too fucking retarded to understand.
It is useless to try and explain basic economics to Hondo guys. You are just going to spin in circles and wear yourselves out. He is too fucking retarded to understand.
He isn't even here for a conversation. He is a retarded troll.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
It is useless to try and explain basic economics to Hondo guys. You are just going to spin in circles and wear yourselves out. He is too fucking retarded to understand.
He isn't even here for a conversation. He is a retarded troll.
He’s just another try hard “useful idiot”. Responding to him other than to tell him to fuck off, or self immolate is a complete waste of time.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Welfare needs to be more efficient
Kind of sucks now
Needs to be more efficient and limited to a stop gap measure that doesn’t perpetuate dependence.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Great, so can you concede that the "system" doesn't make poor people poorer and nobody is getting rich in this country stealing poor people's money?
See you can provide a link. It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality. They spend more than they make, but no way it's $60k.
Yet that number was reported by the poor themselves.
The fact is, when the very same households that the federal government considers to be poor are questioned, they report roughly $2.40 in spending for every $1 of income that Census says they have. So that family of four earning $25,000 is likely consuming as much as $60,000 a year in goods and services.
If you click on the source material for that article (linked below) you’ll see a great analysis of how the poverty line is determined by income level, only, and does not account for the increased welfare benefits. That is the entire argument about an income level based poverty line vs a consumption based poverty line. The latter accounts for the social benefits they receive as is a truer indicator of their overall situation.
That is worthwhile discussion. You are much better about this than Bob. I'll look through this link later this evening. I browsed it but don't have time to roll through it.
You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link, yes? All I did was summarize it for you.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
So it’s ok to lift someone from $25k/year to $60k/year (consumption equivalent)? What about all the families making $26-$59k/year who don’t qualify for aid? Seems like they have incentive to cut back their hours and jump ahead on the tax payer dime.
See you can provide a link. It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality. They spend more than they make, but no way it's $60k.
Yet that number was reported by the poor themselves.
The fact is, when the very same households that the federal government considers to be poor are questioned, they report roughly $2.40 in spending for every $1 of income that Census says they have. So that family of four earning $25,000 is likely consuming as much as $60,000 a year in goods and services.
If you click on the source material for that article (linked below) you’ll see a great analysis of how the poverty line is determined by income level, only, and does not account for the increased welfare benefits. That is the entire argument about an income level based poverty line vs a consumption based poverty line. The latter accounts for the social benefits they receive as is a truer indicator of their overall situation.
That is worthwhile discussion. You are much better about this than Bob. I'll look through this link later this evening. I browsed it but don't have time to roll through it.
You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link, yes? All I did was summarize it for you.
I do realize that. You actually put the link there while Bob just flails around.
See you can provide a link. It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality. They spend more than they make, but no way it's $60k.
Yet that number was reported by the poor themselves.
The fact is, when the very same households that the federal government considers to be poor are questioned, they report roughly $2.40 in spending for every $1 of income that Census says they have. So that family of four earning $25,000 is likely consuming as much as $60,000 a year in goods and services.
If you click on the source material for that article (linked below) you’ll see a great analysis of how the poverty line is determined by income level, only, and does not account for the increased welfare benefits. That is the entire argument about an income level based poverty line vs a consumption based poverty line. The latter accounts for the social benefits they receive as is a truer indicator of their overall situation.
That is worthwhile discussion. You are much better about this than Bob. I'll look through this link later this evening. I browsed it but don't have time to roll through it.
You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link, yes? All I did was summarize it for you.
I do realize that. You actually put the link there while Bob just flails around.
Ok, let’s try this again. You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link?
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
So it’s ok to lift someone from $25k/year to $60k/year (consumption equivalent)? What about all the families making $26-$59k/year who don’t qualify for aid? Seems like they have incentive to cut back their hours and jump ahead on the tax payer dime.
Poorest I've ever been was making about $40k a year out of college and single. I lived in a neighborhood where working the system was the norm and it was eye opening to a lot of issues to say the least.
Just one common example. There are plenty of others.
See you can provide a link. It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality. They spend more than they make, but no way it's $60k.
Yet that number was reported by the poor themselves.
The fact is, when the very same households that the federal government considers to be poor are questioned, they report roughly $2.40 in spending for every $1 of income that Census says they have. So that family of four earning $25,000 is likely consuming as much as $60,000 a year in goods and services.
If you click on the source material for that article (linked below) you’ll see a great analysis of how the poverty line is determined by income level, only, and does not account for the increased welfare benefits. That is the entire argument about an income level based poverty line vs a consumption based poverty line. The latter accounts for the social benefits they receive as is a truer indicator of their overall situation.
That is worthwhile discussion. You are much better about this than Bob. I'll look through this link later this evening. I browsed it but don't have time to roll through it.
You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link, yes? All I did was summarize it for you.
You summarized the information that Hondo was too busy to read but which he already knew was wrong.
Weird how Hondo doesn't have time to read a link that was given to him yesterday but here is today posting again in other threads. Gosh Hondo if I didn't know any better I'd say you never had any real interest in the source of my numbers and that this entire little charade of yours where you demand a link was just you being a worthless Kunt.
See you can provide a link. It's an opinion article in the politics section. That being said. I still disagree that the average person making $25k spends $60k. That's not even close to reality. They spend more than they make, but no way it's $60k.
Yet that number was reported by the poor themselves.
The fact is, when the very same households that the federal government considers to be poor are questioned, they report roughly $2.40 in spending for every $1 of income that Census says they have. So that family of four earning $25,000 is likely consuming as much as $60,000 a year in goods and services.
If you click on the source material for that article (linked below) you’ll see a great analysis of how the poverty line is determined by income level, only, and does not account for the increased welfare benefits. That is the entire argument about an income level based poverty line vs a consumption based poverty line. The latter accounts for the social benefits they receive as is a truer indicator of their overall situation.
That is worthwhile discussion. You are much better about this than Bob. I'll look through this link later this evening. I browsed it but don't have time to roll through it.
You get that all that information came from Bob’s original link, yes? All I did was summarize it for you.
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
So it’s ok to lift someone from $25k/year to $60k/year (consumption equivalent)? What about all the families making $26-$59k/year who don’t qualify for aid? Seems like they have incentive to cut back their hours and jump ahead on the tax payer dime.
Poorest I've ever been was making about $40k a year out of college and single. I lived in a neighborhood where working the system was the norm and it was eye opening to a lot of issues to say the least.
Just one common example. There are plenty of others.
Ok finally getting back to this discussion and I read through the links again. I do agree with the chart here. Again, I think a person making $25k living off $60k is exaggerated, yes some might be but not the average as purported in the article that Bob posted.
This chart actually explains what I'm getting at. The system is designed to discourage making more money if you are under a certain income level. Because it takes a big increase to make up the difference. What is the result? A system where the poor are encouraged to stay poor. You can argue the definition of poor as others here have. Yes most "poor" people have a TV, cell phone, electricity, etc. But they also aren't building any wealth and don't really have availability to build wealth.
BTW, I'm not saying this is a liberal or conservative issue. Policies from both parties have contributed to this system.
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Is there a bigger worthless Kunt here on this board?
Thank you to all the conservatives making a great case for welfare. Poor people don’t have it that bad in America because welfare lifts them out of poverty. Great point. Let’s make sure all poor people have access to it.
Kind of sucks now
Just one common example. There are plenty of others.
This chart actually explains what I'm getting at. The system is designed to discourage making more money if you are under a certain income level. Because it takes a big increase to make up the difference. What is the result? A system where the poor are encouraged to stay poor. You can argue the definition of poor as others here have. Yes most "poor" people have a TV, cell phone, electricity, etc. But they also aren't building any wealth and don't really have availability to build wealth.
BTW, I'm not saying this is a liberal or conservative issue. Policies from both parties have contributed to this system.